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I remember that movie.. and it was at a drive in theater! My brother's friend absolutely devoured a pizza with the hottest items known to man.. along with anchovies and who knows what else.. then he chugged down about two quarts of beer.. I was probably 14. They somehow got me in an R movie.. but it was raining, and raining.. and the poor guy with a pizza and two quarts of beer was busy with dry heaves just outside the car.. it was a "memorable" night, but not because of the movie.. Oh. Trivia buffs.. who was "daddy" in the movie?

I dunno.. one day, I walked out of "twig", and the next thing I knew, *poof*. Actually, if I HAVE to be something.. I'd rather be something small.. besides, can't have people take me too seriously.. at the end of the day, it's just the word of a squirrel..

I don't think he'd get the REAL hard questions like "Why does the Porridge Bird lay its egg in the air?" "Noooooo..."

ALMOST everyone I know who HAS, have walked away with glassy eyes. Some of them practically can't remember what real issued they went to him on.. "call me, I'll COUNSEL you.." Honestly, I think people are more than a little tired of little "need to know" stuff in damage control "sessions". I won't go back to one. "call me, I'll HELP you.." ??? No thanks, you helped your "ministry" enough as it is already.. Ya know.. this little situation here isn't like a gang of bullies, trying to get some poor guy with taped eyeglasses to meet them in the playground after school.. Maybe John can't get real, because he isn't real.. that is an option here.. It's like a scene out of Firesign Theater.. the guy trying to get a few answers out of the "president".. "hey man, he broke the PRESIDENT"

Seems pretty obvious, doesn't it?

Yeah.. threats of eminent possession.. I think that was one of the things that helped me loosen the grip.. I saw preachers in other demoninations threaten the flock, not with possession.. but dangers of hayull fire.. if they didn't accept the authority "gawd" and "the word" gave him.. with pretty close to the same demeanor, spittle flying out into the front row.. I thought, how.. ignorant. Then I thought again.. hmm. how ignorant..

And then there was the "opportunity" to rub elbows with the chief debil slayer himself. Anybody who can slay every use and usage of the greek word "spoudazo" or "pneuma hagion".. well, that's just what does for KICKS.. Just wait till he gets warmed up..

Did they capitalize on the interest in possession stuff? It would make sense. Some of the advanced class did have an old carnival kinda atmosphere.. "hurry hurry hurry, see the five headed debil, he walks, he talks..watch as he pulls ectoplasm out of an ordinary body. Stand back boy, don't touch.." not to mention, we were "richly rewarded" by being allowed to handle vic's private collection of curious arts.. the "automatic handwritings".. I wonder how he ever got that stuff.. and then.. the discerning of spirits section was the longest section, and most detailed, was it not? Not to mention "the coolest".. the snappiest.. you may have fallen asleep during sixteen keys.. but during vic's public showing of "debils"? Not likely. For a lot of people, that's what they were THERE for.. to hear the "secrets" of da kingdumb.. well, I was, anyway..

I dunno.. some people think that "we" are God on a vacation.. no responsibilities, or at least fewer.. With ages of heavenly "perfection".. some people think that we desperately wanted this stinking existence.. and yet, we can't have exactly what we want.. the "simple life".. maybe this is the closest to it that anyone can have..

"where are we".. hmm. People talk about being lost.. and I've had that question on a few road trips, "are you lost?" "no, I know exactly where *I* am.." whatever happens, when I go through the vortex again, I'll be somewhere.. hopefully know where I'm at.. I think we're in a trap.. stuck in this little shell of "self". I think a lot of us have been trapped, one lifetime after another.

Socks, did I ever tell you I love you? honestly.. brother to brother. It did add one thing new, new fodder for the superstitous, looking for devils under every rock..

good point..

I still don't think this is too far off the mark, as far as the thread is concerned. Isn't this what we "signed up" for? The proceeds paid for date rape drugs, motorcycles.. motorcoach, possibly hotel rooms.. etc.. etc.. Shoulda read the fine print..

You know.. this isn't exactly the spanish inquisition here or anything. There are people here who actually love him, whether he realizes it or not. It's not that people depsise JL.. I think they despise his personna of arrogance.. like Tom Wolfe.. a nice guy, but get him dirty, and he won't come back.. lessee who gets THAT reference..

and it's been what.. two and a half YEARS? youda think the "best" got SOMETHING figured out by now..

Yep.. Any god that has to rely on a lecherous, abusive, drunk, criminal type to get his will done.. I'm really trying to see the other guy's perspective here.. What is it.. God can't find somebody any better to do the job? hey.. just turn over any arbitrary rock.. something better has to turn up.. Or is it.. He can't find anybody who otherwise in their right mind would not do what they were "called" to do? Or does he "throw the dice".. so to speak? and the vicster and loy win the booby prize?

ususally it ends up being not an enlightenening but rather mind numbing experience. Every usage of the word "the" might be a bit "challenging".. kinda like trying to get to know every Smith in a Manhattan directory.. But really. "What difference does it make?" I heard vic work over dechomai and lambano in an old SNS.. I was amazing how one can twist reality and scripture itself to fit some kind of mathmatically exact meaning to a given greek word.. reminds me of Bertrund Russel. He found a contradiction in mathmatics set theory if not reality itself.. and trying to fix it took him something like a few hundred pages of proofs (don't quote me on the exact number) before he even came to the conclusion that one plus one equals two..

If you insist on it.

umm.. I thought I asked "are you saying.." so what you ARE saying.. "it is possible to have sexual desire to the end that others are hurt(i.e. carefully chosen victims forcibly raped, damaged, reputations trashed to cover, divorces and suicides engendered, etc. etc..) AND have a heart acceptible with God" personally.. if you compare vic to David, and you are indeed correct.. the comparison goes both ways. I am beginning to think that if David was guilty of these kind of crimes.. and it was his lifestyle he had a pretty black heart.

"your pen or mine.." I dunno. A lot of this *$%& is what we signed on for.. It's called.. sign on for the abstract, and in the end get bulls*%t..

so you're saying.. 1. It is POSSIBLE for someone to have sexual desire to the end that others are hurt, AND have their heart accepible before gawd.. 2. vic had a sexual desire to the end that others are hurt (i.e. assaulted, damaged) 3. THEREFORE (yet), vic had a heart acceptible before gawd. sounds like Crowleyism.. at least Crowley was honest.. he boasted that he was the "wickedest man alive"..

No, I think Howard Stein actually has Howard Steins private parts.. sowy.. carry on..

"some of us" shouldn't have taken all that stuff to the gehenna, where the fires never cease. People would be impressed. "duuuuhhhh, he REALLY read all that stuff..." what's really impressive is my 85th edition of the CRC Handbook of Chemistry and Physics.. biggest book on the shelf. I can actually understand about half of it..

seeing he was the "best" the cause could get is pretty revealing..

Gandi had it figured out.. if you're gonna be a passive resister, and use love.. if you are morally destitute or physically bankrupt.. how are you really contributing? guys like leuchter and the like.. "throwing themselves in front of the train".. they do more harm to their "cause" than good..