Ham

I think that those who turn a blind eye to the plagiarism, abuse and worse, and slobber over old vics name with labels like "the teacher" and "the man of god" do. PFAL wasn't even his material, to begin with. I think he was a scam artist, a fraud, a huckster.. he sold us a stolen package that he claimed was his own work. Mixed with just enough poison to make us really sick: "we should come to the place that we realize we owe our VERY LIVES to the ministry that taught us the word.." The scam was SO good, it's what.. twenty some years after his death, and people STILL believe it.

Here's what can happen when the same thing is developed independantly by two parties.. People are STILL fighting to this day over the controversy, though history finally credited Newton AND Leibniz independant development of the calculus. Both Newton and Leibniz were damaged in the fight. It appears that Leibniz did indeed have access to some of Newton's material before publishing his findings.. Seems documentation and plagiarism have always been an important issue among educated people.. I can't see why religion should be an exception. My opinion- documentation and citing makes a produce BETTER, not worse. "I found it in an old document somewhere, can't remember what it was, can't find it since.." can hardly be a solid foundation to base one's faith. Questionable, at best, destructive, at the worst.

More than I REALLY wanted to know at the time..

heheheh. I wish I got a few palpatations via undersheparding.. heheh I remember some young thing saying something to the effect of.. "I just LOVED orgies, I must"ve been possessed..." OMG.. OK moderators, do your duty.. :biglaugh:

Yeah, on one hand, you can't disqualify the good some received, on the other hand, you can't deny the abuse others endured. I really wish all of this was easier.

I just wish the SOB didn't give us so many choices.. the little good he did seems so far buried in manure, from my vantage point..

Hey, its my thread, and off topic is allowed

According to the resident expert here, when the pineapple hits the pizza, it is "pizza" no longer

Roy, I can't, I think it is up to you, me too for my personal life. So many have bound themselves to the past. Seems some can't make a decision without thinking what ole doc wouldd have done. Some have anchored their spirituality in what "the teacher" had to say.. right or wrong. This is not an indictment of you, or of your spirituality.

Sure quiet in here.. hmmmm. "... and ham, only partly disgruntled, goes quietly off into the sunset, talking with himself as he goes.." They say talking to oneself is the first sign of something, only if I could remember.. :biglaugh:

I didn't know I was THAT ambiguous..

I think there is at least a LITTLE truth to this.. I've seen people chase their theological tails trying to stay convinced that the "teacher's" voice was indeed true. Doesn't seem to really take a person anywhere.

What I think worshipping da MOG means: Remaining convinced for YEARS that what he uttered is TRUTH, despite clear convincing evidence otherwise.. excusing his immorality, plagiarism and abuse as mere human traits, when flogging is not sufficient enough punishment, for others caught in the same kind of habits.. "god" can do no wrong.. that's about it. well, you asked!

Just for fun, I poked in "the way" and "the way international" keywords into the search engine for groups, and found NOTHING. It seems fairly obvious that "they" do not want to be found.

True, but I think it is controversial. I think CES, and some other offshoots THRIVE on controversy.

From Family Tables about WAP: http://www.familytables.net/times/WAP.html (emphasis mine) ah.. I think I got it. They DEFINE your prison (figurative), and then wag the supposed "key" to get out of it under your figurative nose.. Two for the price of one! watta deal.. a prison you never thought you had, and a solution you thought you didn't need.

I think they are gonna hold onto that little piece of devilishness like a concrete life preserver, but they can't afford to let go- I think PP is about the only one thing that actually distinguishes them from the "rest" of "Christianity". The Jesus Christ is not God and Are the dead alive now package of goods is held by quite a few groups. What seems the same to me- it reminds me of der vey, during mass exodus of folks, and the word was that somehow they were "prevailing". It seems they HAD to believe this, or at least give lip service to it. "We've abused the heck out of people, and seen no positive results. People are leaving by droves, but we are STILL RIGHT."

Probably more like they want slaves (guests) to come clean up da place.. Nice way to spend a "vacation".

"Tell me what you think about VP, and I'LL tell you how far you will go, spiritually." "So you think he's a MOG, a brilliant researcher, a Preacher of Righteousness.. you'll never amount to anything.." Sorry, just another one of "those" mornings.. :biglaugh: But it really is true. Why stifle your own creativity and PERSONAL calling in the shadow of some "great" name? The last time I heard his name touted about like he was some kind of real authority, I wanted to heave..

"Tell me who you think VP is, and I'll tell you how far you'll go, spiritually"

Is that anybody without exception, or anyone without distinction?

a little ambiguous here- who's in tears? If its god, it makes more sense

Yeah, makes sense, considering who probably STILL lives there..

Or.. could it be JL resorting to some kind of scorched earth policy. After all the hoopla, there probably won't be very many left to take.

The only thing that may have changed is the Prez's "hairdo". They still hold on to the idea that there was no holocaust, or that it wasn't so bad, and that most if not all of the victims are liars. This may be an old, long thread, but it is typical of the kind of evil still resident in that organization: Their true nature, at least as far as thoughts regarding holocaust- ptooie.