Ham

Coolchef, despite the vicster's dire warnings, I think that is the whole point.

Rumrunner! Hey, very good to meet you. Yes, I read quite a few of those magazines. Can't remember everything.. was that the one edited by.. lesse.. W2NSD? Not sure about the call, but his name was Wayne Green. My current call is KB8PGW. I got involved in ham radio two years before leaving der vey. Loy laid out the challenge, "just go look. go look.. its all devil out there.." so I looked at a civic organization, the local ham club, to see what they were really doing in the community. I'm glad I did.

dont' think I'm not thankful. Funny as it may sound, I am posting this stuff with a smile on my face and joy in my heart. no formalities here. Nice to meet you. Call me Ham.

well, heheh. I can remember the garlics, the cucumbers, the leeks.. the fish.. the wowburgers were pretty good :bigrin: doggone clickable smiles aren't working..

Too many words. Too me, it sounds like all so much prophetic "swill" from the third century or so.. I think they are grasping at straws.

I won't even mention: people getting reamed for not breaking the mints for the MOG precisely in half, or quarters.. other leaders flying into fits of rage over insignificant matters, because it was "holy", and "after all, the Vicster does it too.." A guy driven from a fellowship because he had to get up and go to the bathroom.. Sitting in a leader's meeting, after we "failed" to produce enough students to start a nice PFAL class.. at least one incident that remains so graphic to me, that I'd run it by a moderator before considering posting it.. sheesh. No thanks, I don't want to go back to the olden days. Done for now, I think.. :blink:

Maybe he was schizoprenic or something.. Words about the love of God dripped like honey out of one side of his mouth, then bile like this out of the other. I saw what he did to a copy of "The living Bible", in front of God and the whole world.. Nice and sweet as honey one moment.. then the next.. Good old days? You've gotta be kidding.

Now I remember the topic of discussion! It was about implementation of Vic's "tough love" "program". You know, can't JUST teach them da bible and leave them to their own devices. Love doesn't work anymore, ya know.. gotta beat the snot out of em if you ever want to get anything done. I guess they forgot about I Corinthians 13. The worst part about it all, at least for me: my silence enabled this kind of behaviour.

Well, TWI was great for me, and a lot of fun- as long as I turned a blind eye to abuse and worse, and I did observe a lot of that in the early seventies, the "good old days". TWI served my self-seeking nature, and some of the other worst parts of my character. Yeah, it was fun, but there was a price- compromise and/or blindness. I remember sitting in a "leader's" meeting, Limb Leader (yeah, that's what they called them then) and branch cronies.. about 1974. the wives of these Nimrods had a few rational, logical objections as to how things were being run. Mind you, this was behind closed doors. No attempt to embarrass "THE MAN" in public or anything.. simultaneously, (all three b*stards were smokers) they threw lit cigarettes in their wives faces and hair, along with screaming "woman, shut the .... up". Two of the women I know of divorced, THANK GOD. The limb guy had been hand-picked by the Vicster himself. Maybe Vic shoulda told him, "Mini-me, we don't EAT our cat". This little anecdote is pretty mild.. there are other things that would REALLY make your hair stand on end.. When were the good old days, really?

Maybe the vicster should have come to me for some material woulda saved you guys a lot of time..

who in the world would argue with that point?

I would agree. I remember the effect these supposed top secret little tidbits of exclusive teachings had; the leaders boasting how that if the rest of the Christian world would only set up and listen, that they would all be set on their collective ears.. How "priviledged" we were to hear such nonsense being bantered about without so much as a blush. Ahhh.. the pride in my little ole heart to stand in the shadow of such greatness.. Vic teaching that the original sin of man was masturbation.. I remember thinking: "sheesh.. now I'm REALLY in trouble.." What strange person did he get that one from? He could come up with some pretty bizarre stuff, but I don't think he was mentally capable enough to come up with somehing THAT bizarre.

sheesh, I find myself crying for these poor bastards..

Jeff, I'm not trying to be critical or anything, but it just kind of sounds like the same reason why a lot of folks hung aroung der vey for as long as they did- to try to make a difference. In the end, they couldn't. Hopefully, this isn't gonna be the same.

Groucho, I was thinking of something like that, but thought I would leave at least some of the actual telling for others I can see it rather vividly, some poor new "learner" being inducted into the inner sanctum: "Hide not your emotions, neither your wallet, see through them we can..."

Hmm.. personal prophecies, Jedi (ahem) I mean prophetic councils, etc, etc.. It reminds me more of another thread: "Doing the same old thing expecting different results". "well, TWI didn't QUITE get it all so right. How about we do it this way.." No wonder they are in such a mess.

This is not good, in my opinion. One thing I'd say.. that's very likely what you have in store if you choose to stay in the relationship. After a while, just being quiet may not keep the peace either.

Merry Christmas GS Cafe! Here is the card we sent out this year..... Inscribed on the inside: "Though the weather may be drear, Buckster brings you Chrismtas Cheer". b_christmas.bmp

I wouldn't argue with Einstein, heheh

Oh yeah, I forgot.. it IS halloween..

Dang Exie, is that the "new look"? Yikes.. scare me.. :D

I "only" gave it thirty-six.. of course, I may have been in later than some others here..

I suppose they were supposed to be in Tuxedos for his "eminence".. If he had ANY respect, he wouldn't have put this kind of burden on their backs, especially without their input on the subject..

"Numbers, not quality".. cripe, that's the biggest excuse, and probably one of the oldest at that, for failure in the world.. Right. If they could just get one real "celebrity" or somebody with some real money.. that'd fix EVERYTHING. Ha.

Ah, that explains it all.. the confrontations and reaming because you forgot to send a card to the mog in honor of his pet hamster's birthday, or even less notable events.. they just wanted to see if you REALLY loved them.. There goes the humility.. faster than it could even be thought.. Thankful for PEOPLE? God forbid.. This one gags me.