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Quite a good point. The times changed, indeed. But leave it to the vicster to claim HE was the big motivation for the change. I sat and listened to the crap too- "the churches are FORCED to change because of our bold stand for da word.." Well, sincerity is no guarantee for truth. I guess charismatic renewal is not, either. Perhaps folks got what they got in spite of the organization- seems the case for other groups too.

Hey, glad to make someone's day. :)--> Juan would have to edit some of his story, the funeral director would want old Chr*s outta there for a few more reasons than just being wet..

Yep. And leave it to rosie and crew to "lay off", for a LITTLE while. Why, they'll probably roll out the red carpet.. Reluctantly, rosie might even muster up a smile or two. I hope he has the common sense to see what's coming.

This will fix the coffee "problem" along with a Coleman stove.

Personally, I wouldn't even bother the kids, at all. I wonder how many times they have had to relive all this crap over, again, and again, and again.. I would not even consider asking about it. I already know enough anyway. Despite her flaws, I thought Mrs. W to be a really nice lady. I believe she did what she thought was right, like a lot of us did too, under a bad situation. I hope they can find some peace in all of this.

Belle, they'd probably "retire" it in a showcase in the auditorium somewhere, like some kind of "holy" relic..

Thanks for your comments, Mr. 123.. I will be among many of the first to speak up and say I actually DID get something good out of it.. I still tend to agree that the phenomena of SIT has merit also. Maybe the whole point of this is, perhaps "the way" of holiness is SO simple, most of us didn't NEED the class to walk it, and class after class to "master" it. It was apparently simple enough for practically EVERY believer in the first century to do it.. The idea that the PFAL brand of salvation and wholeness is better than all others- that somehow, it made ME better than the rest.. kind of stinks.

Maybe its just me, but- the "messages" given in King James english, thees and thou's- kinda made my hair stand on end.. kind of wanted to scream "counterfiet" or something. Sounded so much like just another fresh out of the can religious speech.

Well, who knows.. maybe a week under rosies "care" will be enough to wake him up.. I would hope. But sadly, look at L*nd*r. Stuck in the middle of a cornfield.. and I bet staff meetings are NOT very pleasant either. Unless he is a "lucky" one, he lives with his job and his employer, twenty-four hours a day, seven days a week.. Who knows. Maybe he's got health issues over it.. Edited for da accuracy of things..

Ah yes. And who picked up the folks that FLED these controlling, high pressure organizations? Oh yes. Good ole vic welcomed them into the open arms of "love".. That was sure nice of him. Until he figured in his twisted little mind that love wasn't the present truth it was cracked up to be.. then slowly came the commitment, sacrifice, and related BS. He made it WORSE than the denominations us poor devils came OUT of. Speaking in tongues- even IF HIS ministry did the deed, the price was far to high to pay. Branded as a Vey "tonguer" all the days of yer life.. ptooie.

Some of us can only wish.. So far twenty five out of twenty six came to the Lord OUTSIDE of vics "ministry". Even the "critics" have to acknowledge this much..

Ah, that is why they dumped so many of us "deadbeats".. Kind of makes sense. Like the Pepsi company sending hit men around to thin out their clientelle..

The router I use at work has no password.. am I in "trouble" Paw?

But this is "Rosies" wish last after all.. Personally, six figures a year wouldn't be enough for me to wake up to that grimacing face morning after morning..

Well, maybe not good looking- but probably the best ole rosie could get..

Satori, I blame you for this. You got me started on this, long ago... :)-->

Well, lets just imagine ole JL finally tries to shoot himself you know where, and he misses. It's time to push up the nice pretty flowers in the spring.. But with such an "important" job, they just CAN'T leave it to the ordinary staffer.. Rosie runs a want ad. "Help Wanted." "Must be muscular, gorgeous, unmarried, can take out a cat at 1000 yards with a slightly used beretta, not afraid to chase "bad characters" off of cemetary property, and be able to use a computer to track down "hoodlums". Salary at best will be "negotiable". Benefits are sketchy, but the "right person" should get some REAL enjoyment out of the possibilities with this employment. Send pictures, qualifications, and resume to, "Rosie" Box 666 New Knoxville, OH

Well, for me, not much. My friend told me all he did was log in to that cesspool, and picked up a half a dozen virus post haste.. But in the latest mailing package, I found the neatest thing. They use the nicest little magnets inside of the cover to hold it shut. After digging two of the packs apart, I had two of the nicest little magnets you could find. They're really strong buggers, too.. Now to figure out what to do with the magnets..

If I remember correctly, neither vic nor loy appreciated the presence of unclaimed ***** cats on headquarters grounds. I think they called Chr*s "The Terminator" to perform a "necessary" but otherwise messy job..

Us Greasespotters can act like the disciples. We'll take the boat to the other side, and see who gets there first.

It would have to be the genuine deal though.. with all the "additives", and warming effect of the bacteria, this sucker NEVER freezes over in the winter..

But I don't think he can convince me to try it. Let's see him do it first..

We have a sewage treatment pond here he could try walking on..

For me, perhaps. I can see a numb-brained, controlling, over-zealous religious SOB a mile away. ;)--> True, I WAS one. Is this an improvement in life? Maybe not for me, but maybe others I might be able to help.. But how did the experience directly improve my condition.. lessee.. Well, I am not "anally retentive" about it, but I am rather organized, as far as the material stuff around me, for the most part.. Learning the greek alphabet helped a little- with math and physics and stuff, I can actually write and pronounce the little symbols correctly. I don't have nightmares over losing vast sums of money I likely would have earned, and not have given away.. But the greatest "success" I can think of- during my vey experience, I sired two of the greatest kids this side of the west coast. Others actually agree with this assessment. I don't know how much of this is a reflection on me, or ministry involvement..

"Accidents happen" :P-->