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Advanced class. Explanation about why da class was so detailed about 1. Discerning of Spirits. and 2. Healing. That's my best recollection of it- and its pretty darn close I think. "The Way (inc.) is a healing ministry" Who's stinking ministry was it? Who founded it? Ah, the "little" things he said, and just left the conclusion up to our little imaginations..

"Unfortunately", I think folks are finding a lot of credit that WAS given to vic, certainly was not "due". He claimed to have da ministry.. but who did I hear Romans 10:9 from? Not vic. He claimed to have a healing ministry, but I NEVER saw one, stinking, isolated instance of him healing anybody.. Even the way he instructed us to run communion. "The second greatest method of healing". Sorry, zippo. Not a one. "The greatest healing is observed when the Word is taught" Must have been the wrong word. Sorry, not a one there either.. "but I feel so much BETTER".. So subjective. People may have felt excited about it, said they were "blessed"- but I have seen people just as excited with ice put down their pants.. I dunno. You tell me- I'm still trying to figure all this stuff out.. Only thing I can think- if he had a healing ministry, it was buried twenty years before I met the man..

Some younger, some older. All I know, is at seventeen, give me the ball, and I'd run with it. Equate doubting God with doubting people.. I swallowed it. "They" SEEMED to be what they said they were.. or at least they kept boldly claiming it. One thing- I don't think I'm capable of EVER believing quite like that, again. Honestly, I think most people cease being a "kid" when they REALLY get taken advantage of, and finally wake up. Sad in a way, really. I don't know how much age factors into this for every individual.

What about Charles Welch? From what I understand, vic HEAVILY relied on his works- especially for corps teachings.. I never even heard of Welch until five years after I left the organization. Did vic do the same thing to Welch?

Just a thought.. maybe this is why God gets so "pi**ed off" at people that take advantage of KIDS. Kids are "gullible", if you will. Kids believe, practically unreservedly. Take advantage of that- you're in deep doo doo. Don't blame the "kid".

Naw, not a whole case for me, heh heh. But its the EFFECT that the whole case would have is what I am thinking of..

I tend to gravitate towards the cabernet.. but anything yellow tail is quite good. Cripe, for forty bucks though.. They had yellow tail on sale here, the BIG bottles- $10.00 a bottle. Unbelievable..I got four. That's all they had left..

More taste, and even more filling. Two benefits for the price of one.. oh, forgot the third one. But that takes about a case of the stuff..

BEER doesn't even cost $40.00 a case,. even in glass bottles. Well, I wouldn't recommend using a refrigerator compressor to oxygenate anything.. a few technical issues, besides the compressor possibly taking off a hundred feet in the air.. Do what you want with the water. Now anybody that touches my Yellow Tail, you're in trouble..

Just another reason I thank God I did not go corps or on staff. My kids may have had it a little rough at times, but holy smokes..

Never saw a tree pee before.. But anything's possible after a dozen shots of espresso.

Make the coffee some first-class espresso and we've got a deal. I think I've got a wood-powered espresso maker around here somewhere..

The TWI version: "If a man desireth anything, he desireth a good desire. "An overseer in the One True Household must be shameless, in name only the husband of one wife, witchulant, sober as a priest during communion, of wretched behaviour, given to horsing-around-ipality, apt to teach spewth; Not given to wino, but drambuie's alright, can't be a biker (can't afford luxuries, you know), greedy of lucre (make sure its washed first), an assaulter of patients..."

I don't quite agree with vics assessment of the situation. "Putting it all together so that I could have a product to SELL" would be a little more honest, in my opinion. I read enough about B.G. in this regard. B.G.'s work was intended- for men to come, improve themselves, return to their churches, and make a difference. Not to go back and sell some stinking class.. Good grief. vic turned it into a marketable "commodity". Personally, I think B.G. sat back, and waited to see if it was of God, if it would "come to nothing".. history bears out the fact that it did.. Within one generation, vic's name will likely pass into obscurity. Cripe, he is only named today by those he screwed- for the most part.

Hey, it even looks like people back in the early seventies.. Or at least what they looked LIKE. Some of the time, anyway..

One thing I'd say, you can't accuse a false prophet of selling counterfiet sheep skins.. Edited for clarity..

Leonard, no. I've been there, done that.. Stiles- no. Same reason- I spoke in tongues.. No more classes.. no more two weeks off somewhere.. Had I known, they may have gotten my business the first time around. Come to think of it, that IS what I bought, the first time around. Stiles works, B.G.'s class, Bullinger's research.. too bad B.G. didn't get any dough out of it.. I hear he was a really good guy. Wish I could have met him..

Heh heh. Actually, with intellectual property, I think that outlines the problem. You can't exactly give it back to the original owner, so to speak. You read it, used it.. can't readily "undo" its effect. And the owner has no recourse, at least that I am aware of, with regards to the unwitting buyers. Plus the buyers.. are they going to go rush to the local bookstore and purchase the original seller's product? "I Trow Not.." I think that is why plagiarism is so insidious. The sellers ultimately bear practically the full brunt of responsability. Still- it is stolen property, and I think comparison to physical theft is in order here. "But officer, its the BEST watch I've ever had, and it was ONLY twenty-five bucks.." The sucker would laugh his rear off as he handcuffed you..

Hey Tom! That looks pretty neat. Say, you have a couple more? I could use one..

"Come here, boy, I have a couple watches I can sell you, cheap.." In this state, if you get caught with stolen stuff, at the very least, you will find yourself giving it BACK. Doesn't make any difference if you didn't know.. or if you claimed that it is the same as if you bought it at the store.. Tell the cops it doesn't make any difference WHERE it came from. Or the Judge.. If you're forty years old, and still are buying Rolexes in the street for twenty-five bucks, they ASSUME you KNOW its stolen. Can't blame us when we were "Y and D".. but come on. Forty some years old, gotta know something by now..

So.. what about the poor saps that bought my treasure.. Five years later, they find out they could have gone to the stinking LIBRARY and gotten the same thing- without the commitment, without giving fifteen percent of their income, without all the stupidity. I'll tell you how I felt. "How could I have been such a FOOL???!!!" Oldies, you were hoodwinked, fooled, taken advantage of, bamboozled- along with the rest of us that bought old doc vics recipe book. You are the unwitting buyer of stolen property. A lot of folks have had some rather embarrassing explaining to do to the cops for this kind of thing.. It may sit well with you, it does not sit well with me.

Let's say I'm a real math whiz (only about half right..) and denounce all of the old math guys opinions, and claim to approach the subject fresh and new.. I publish a paper. "After years of dedicated, original research, I came up with a real novel concept. You can actually sum up periodic functions, that have a finite number of discontinuities, in the form of Sine and Cosine functions with varying coefficients.." Sounds pretty convincing? Maybe I oughta make some money off of it.. "They" wouldn't even get mad- they'd laugh me off the planet.. Anybody who's anybody in math knows Fourier came up with this stuff, centuries ago.. And "they" still keep his name attached to his work. But as Christians, I guess we are supposed to do less- and less..

"every woman in da kingdom belongs to da king.." Who knows- maybe he dreamed THAT little treasure up by his little own self..

Absolutely.. I think that's what I finally saw. People jumping under the coming steamroller, in the hopes of ressurecting its former "glory".. or delaying the inevitable. The last fifty bucks I handed over to that joint, I almost visibly saw it like gold, just being ****** away.. I saw that the bas*ard's didn't even CARE. No "thanks", nothing good gonna ever come out of it..

A lot of innies would consider that losing self-esteem. What purpose would they have in life without der vey? What would they do? Talk about FEAR.. Maybe the "less nobler" efforts in life have a little more merit than some have thought..