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It would have to be the genuine deal though.. with all the "additives", and warming effect of the bacteria, this sucker NEVER freezes over in the winter..

But I don't think he can convince me to try it. Let's see him do it first..

We have a sewage treatment pond here he could try walking on..

For me, perhaps. I can see a numb-brained, controlling, over-zealous religious SOB a mile away. ;)--> True, I WAS one. Is this an improvement in life? Maybe not for me, but maybe others I might be able to help.. But how did the experience directly improve my condition.. lessee.. Well, I am not "anally retentive" about it, but I am rather organized, as far as the material stuff around me, for the most part.. Learning the greek alphabet helped a little- with math and physics and stuff, I can actually write and pronounce the little symbols correctly. I don't have nightmares over losing vast sums of money I likely would have earned, and not have given away.. But the greatest "success" I can think of- during my vey experience, I sired two of the greatest kids this side of the west coast. Others actually agree with this assessment. I don't know how much of this is a reflection on me, or ministry involvement..

"Accidents happen" :P-->

Interesting. With the pole so far, one out of TWENTY FIVE came to Jesus Christ because of the class. Says a lot for the thing..

Maybe this is actually an improvement.. Seems with their names on the corporate papers and all, perhaps the mini-Hitlers won't have quite the free hand they once thought they did. Seems to me, they just very well may be more legally accountable for their actions, and their actions indeed would represent the ministry position..

Tom, he might not have gone, but its likely he wrote the script for a couple of them..

Hey, no arguments here. I'm still kind of suprised how they can be such a nice bunch of folks after years of TWI involvement. Can't beat all the goodness out of some people I guess.

One of my kids inherited this odd trait. I remember a time at the doctors- she hid inside of some rather intricate office furniture. "Come out little girl, we aren't gonna hurt you.." Right.. "you just HAVE to come out.." Nope.

Well, I rolled in the stuff and swelled up like a balloon..I had such a bad reaction, I think they were afraid they were going to lose me. If not cortisone, I think it was SOME kind of steroid. Gads. Then the poison ivy shots year after year before I went camping.. they had something in those days to reduce my susceptability to that evil stuff.. After a while, the only way they could get a needle in me was if they were successful in catching me..

I may have posted this humorously, but really- what DID they find? Surely they did some "real world" testing on this stuff, did they not? Trap all the oxygen you want in the water.. If you want to get the oxygen minus the real world conditions, there is only one way I can think of doing it- run it up a vein or artery with a dull dirty needle.. I HATE doctors. I HATE needles. I must've gotten close to a hundred shots of cortisone (or something) when I was a kid to save me from exposure to poison ivy.. I think anybody who voluntarily would stick a needle in their arm is kinda nutso.. True, I need oxygen- but I'm not gonna do this for love or money..

So far, the vast majority of votes tallied indicate that folks were "born again" before PFAL. In a lot of ways, I think the stinking bunch tried to brand us, like some kind of cattle: "'Way' New Birth" You know, we are "The Way's herd". Cattle rustlers beware.. "Well, my new birth has GOT to be better than yours, its, well, so much more biblically 'accurate'..."

As part of the record, may I add.. The folks I introduced to the word.. most who SIT'd did so only AFTER I sorted through vics bunch of hooey, and explained the phenomena in terms they could understand- yes, before the class even began. The class coordinators were actually WORRIED that folks wouldn't get "the fullness of the spirit" on the twelfth session- I wonder why.. Apparently, there was a little check list at the end of the class, and explanations had to be given WHY they DIDN'T. You didn't want to get on THAT hot seat.. "His" ministry, indeed! More of Stile's ministry- it was his instructions how to do it after all..

Thanks Ted! Keep on truckin too yourself- just don't get busted down on Burbon Street or anything..

Well.. before the class, lets see. I knew the greek alphabet, and could use almost any lexicon or concordance you could throw at me.. I already had memorized the KJV titles of the books of the bible, in order.. Personally, I did not vote for number five, because these little details may or may not qualify one as a biblical "scholar".

That's what I was kind of thinking. They'd REALLY "discerned" a few "spurts", heh heh..

No no no Rascal. Your commentary is MORE than welcome here! :)-->

OK.. then your vote would be number four.

The survey: What it is NOT: Mainly, it is NOT- what was I like before "Twig" Or "What was my condition before meeting up with another believer". Now, What it IS: Specifically, "what was I like before checkered flag was waved" in session one of PFAL.

But- what was the situation before session one? 1. Were you "born again"? 2. Did you know about SIT? 3. Did you do it? 4. Did you turn into a biblical "scholar" before then?

My thoughts on this: What you learned in twig does not count for number four. That was done under someone else's "ministry".

Thanks so far- all opinions and comments are more than welcome. But- what I am SPECIFICALLY looking for is, what was your exact condition and what was the precise result when you took da class? Say anything you wish, but please include, however briefly, the answer for this specific question. :)-->

Number six will have to be a write in ballot- only five choices possible for the survey. "I took the class, and either did NOT SIT, or really think I 'faked it'.' or in other words, "It didn't do it for me".

Some rules here though.. choice number four- if someone that was even remotely related to der vey other than vic "led you" into SIT, this STILL belongs under number four. It was not directly done under "doc" vic's "ministry". Edited to fix my three's and four's..