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Yep. Sometimes, all it takes for me is for somebody to post about the "good old days" heh heh. I don't get too mad though- at least I can laugh about some of the stuff now..

SOME perhaps. The MOST miserable I have seen were stuck somewhere in a nice cosey leadership position where their job in life was well, to MAKE us miserable. Really- the next to last branch character I knew here thought something was wrong because we could still smile at times. Too happy. Well- she solved that "problem" in short order. I'll tell you what made me "miserable"- probably at the worst- when I found out what my love, labor and ABS REALLY supported. It helped buy the "lovemobile" for the mog, so he could conveniently have an army of nice, "fresh meat" ushered in any hour of day or night to take care of his supposed "need". It helped pay the salary of "sex slaves" for Loy the Boy. Yes, sex was attached to the job description. It paid for the chalet, the office, and the desk on which the bastard humped anything he could, except for his wife. It paid to SILENCE wrongdoings, small and great. It helped to pay for a second-rate fool's stupid kid to get an education that I could only DREAM of. It helped finance "three way's" for the mog. It CONTINUES to provide spiritually inept, evil, and downright devilish people with a life of luxury that most can only dream of.. All this is just the tip of the iceberg of what's happened in that joint.. no lawsuits, I probably never would have known. I think we know only less than one percent of what really happened there. I am not miserable, now.. but when I think of this stuff, it makes me mad. Years wasted, thousands of dollars down the hole- neither of which can ever be recovered. Not to mention the possibe hundreds of other folks I helped induct into that sad state of affairs. Oldies, I just don't see how you don't get it.. My impression is that the hateful and criminal activities of those bastards doesn't even BOTHER you- please tell me that I am wrong.

Yep.. love for God and people played a big part. I was a friggin sucker. Makes me feel used. The loving thing I should have done is said, "you wanna take this class, come to twig and have fun?" "Well, yes" then kicked their foot, told em to go find something better to do..

Had I known what kind of hell we were sending people into, I would have thrown a fit. I didn't have a clue- the abuse, the continual stream of ladies marched through the motorcoach- Cripe- people DIED because of THEIR evil and ineptness. Not to mention the present thought of where all of that ABS was really going- down the belly of that hellish place without so much as a "thank you". Sure we made a choice- based on what? The facts? "Well, we don't deal with facts, we just wanna talk about truths..." Lets just be "blessed". No wonder that they did not want "Da Ministry to be blamed"- for anything. The secret things now have been laid out in the light of day, thank God. And they're still the same outfit. Same numbnuts running it. It finally took for me to see Loy's (and crew's) unparalelled evil and insanity before they started losing their grip on me. They just made it TOO miserable. No more jumping through hoops.. no more.. I finally saw it was FRUITLESS.

Another quote of Schwaigers that needs repeating.. Conditioned- yes, in my opinion- at the "twig" level. They really got some mileage out of the good that some of us poured into that cesspool..

Yep- a NIGHTMARE. But life was just so wonderful back in the "good old days".. Homeless- jobless- destitute- what part of that don't you understand, Oldies? Others were not so "lucky".

I may have been REALLY, REALLY stupid- but I think that "mentally disturbed" may be going a little too far. Oldies- I notice when they kicked your rear out of the "program"- apparently you had a place to go. Many, many others did not have that little "luxury". Imagine yourself out in the middle of nowhere, and nowhere to go. Imagine yourself being stuck on a bus, no friends, the "friends" you had now hate you with a passion- being shipped back to only God knows where- perhaps the fear is a little more real than you are willing to admit. Those sons-of-a-bitches did do this to folk, on a regular basis. Even here we were told not to help people that were "no longer with da vey"- that they were not worth the effort- that they were not worthy to breath the same air. Motivation with fear was very real, and very effective. I agree with George- without Loy, I'd still be in that stink-hole. When he really got into the real irrational rants- he lost some control. Even stupid people can figure out some stuff..

George, I hadn't thought about that burn the bridges nonsense for years. I had "torched" everything too- and thought it was the will of the Lord.. How true- I had NOWHERE to go- and the fear was indeed, very real. They had us by the "privates"- no question.

But George! The food was good- well, kind of, sometimes at least, heh heh.

Groucho, I remember VP saying how he was trying to pry some cash out of the coors guy to "do something good with all that beer money" or something..

If I have to wear that one, so be it, heh heh. But I don't think its really as much a matter of being stupid, but numb. Numb after a couple hundred or so compromises to have the "priviledge" to get the "truth". I think after a while, my eyes were just plain glazed over. I think they played the good guy/bad buy scheme, and it worked- just a matter of applied psychology..

Yep. Thing I don't understand, why stay in that cesspool? Holy cow.. despite my sarcasm, I'd be willing to lend a hand, or at least point you in the right direction. Do SOMETHING- if not for your own stinking hide, think about your FAMILY. Think the Peeler's don't stand a chance? Go ahead- gamble all you want- its not MY life.

WAYGB- If I was you, I'd start circulating a few resumes- don't know how well "worked twenty-five years in a stinking cult for two dollars an hour" is gonna read with a prospective employer though.

Yep.. folks I heard talking said the guy who sued the tobacco conglomerates didn't have a leg to stand on either.. I wonder how far the damages can be assessed. Seems if there is some kind of conspiracy proven, no amount of corporate protection would stand between the Peelers and any assests any of those numbnuts have hid anywhere, private or not. "poor" old Rosie and Donna probably have to go out in the real world, "borrow" a couple of shopping carts and "work" the dumpsters.. I don't think they'd find very many wayfers willing to support them.

Kind of interesting. A couple of things I observe in a lot of this.. On one hand, I have a physics instructor, real smart guy, his take on it is that anybody that does no fully suscribe to the theory of evolution is plain not educated, primitive, or really ignorant. On the other hand, I see INTELLIGENT christian folk say if you believe in it you're possessed, mislead or worse.. There seems to be very little meeting in the middle of the road. "Atheists" not willing to admit of the possibility that somehow, we are not as alone in all of this as we think, and "Christians" not willing to admit that just possibly, God has designed life to adapt- sometimes in striking ways. I have heard some valid arguments, in my opinion, from both sides.. just wish it wasn't colored with somebody's "believe it or else" agenda.. I still don't know where I am at in all of this.

Yep. Supposed to be resources for "God's people". Not a generous retirement package for a small group of numbnuts in podunk ohio. It makes me even wonder if the bast***s are even really "born again". Just a thought..

The way I understood it- when the "gathering" hit, you would wish that you were rather NOT saved- if you did not tow the company line.. something like, "yes, you have eternal life. But you may spend the most part of eternity getting a real foot whippin". I even heard some bigwigs say that you'd be better of if you just died, than to "lose rewards".

Might be tough for him to get his eternal "fix".. have to go the route of celebacy you know..

Scary thought. Maybe he'll try to buy an aircraft carrier to work us over with, and try to get all the exways, and everybody else for that matter, "in line". Heh heh.

Funny, that is what I heard Loy lay at the feet of the Roman Catholics. Blamed them for causing all the poverty and stuff in third world countries. Interesting to see the shoe on another foot..

But.. makes me think now- how many times did you hear anything that could even be considered "foretelling" in the ministry? I can't think of a single occurence, other than "you'll be a greasespot.." or some such generic nonsense. "Well, foretelling is only incidental"- perhaps just another excuse for not having the "real deal"? Just a thought..

So typical of what I encountered.. just analyze it to death- cripe- maybe it WAS word of knowledge stuff- who knows. In a lot of ways, I think the exhortation/comfort parameters that we tried to box up these manifestations into only served to make them just so watered down, and so generic. I observed the same thing: the same words, the same stuff over and over in any "twig" I was involved in.

Really- I remember a couple of times that I tried to give ABS to one of the nuckleheads outside of "twig" only to have it REFUSED. "Bring it and give when you're SUPPOSED to!!!"

I remember some of the good old days... if you sent your own ABS in to headquarters on your own terms, you were REALLY under scrutiny. Cripe- those guys must have been nuts. What were they afraid of? Or do they get some kind of "cut" out of ABS generated in their area? But you "couldn't" give cash. had to be check or money order. And you couldn't give it when you wanted- had to be when the "holy basket" was given its due rounds.. good grief. "We have to make sure OUR people are even QUALIFIED to give". Thankfully, I put up with that kind of crap for only about a month before leaving..

I dunno. I think ole rose will reach a point that, just for the life of her, she won't be able to remember where she stashed away all those numbers..