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The kind of inheritance they will leave behind.. makes me think of some of the really bad Nazi's that escaped judgement after WWII. Their victims chased them with about the same amount of mercy that the Nazi's showed to them. Makes it kind of hard to live from day to day with peace of mind I would imagine, even if you are sitting in the lap of luxury.

But what do the kids, or those that follow next in the organization inherit? Same bad name. Same reputation. Maybe they don't deserve it, maybe they do. But they don't have a choice. And this stuff does not go away.

I think Igotout may have already given the best advice, fold the organization, and give the assets to another organization that can really do something good with it.

Fear would explain it.. but most of what has happened is public knowledge. It just seems to me, the logical thing to do (and I know this is asking for the next to impossible) would be to at least try to fix it. The price tag is only going to go up; the longer they wait, the worse it's gonna get.

Their "fine reputation as a biblical research organization" has already been tarnished, and beyond repair. All they have left is a boat load of arrogance that their belief is "The Way", and that no one else should have the audacity to have any similarity to their name.

"The way" things look, they will end up dying with that belief. I feel sorry for the people they will leave behind. They should inherit something better.

I don't know.. I know at least a few of them read this stuff. Maybe it's one more appeal to really do something right.

I had the same experience when I went WOW in 77. "are you in debt?" "no." "OK." That was it. My, things sure changed..

They may not ask for your tax records, but from the close scrutiny some of the people here have endured, they just as well might have.

I agree.. nowadays though, they have their noses so far up your financial rear end that they know what you had for breakfast.

Cripe, they sure like to change those definitions. And you would almost have to forget the old one before remembering the new. Quote an old definition, and you might be in the same amount of trouble as if you forgot your name tag!

One of the more "remarkable" statements that I remember from PFAL regarding fear was that "I have never seen anything that destroys mens ministries more than fear." (Approximate quote). Having been out of da ministry for a few years, and reading posts at this place makes me think that that may be "slightly" in error.

Lately, I have more of the opinion that sexual sin: adultery, rape, etc., of ministers (especially when it involves those in his care) in an organization does more to bury an organization than all of the fear in the world.

Witness the decline of the organization that we left, and most here are of the opinion that it has not been buried enough. Though there are too many exceptions, some organizations that have partly survived a lot of this stuff are ones that have come clean, attempted to recompense the victims, fired the culprits and worse.

So, what does this little known outfit in Podunk Ohio do? Try to keep the perpetrator, fire the victims, and expect the problem just to go away if they retemorize enough scriptures, and regard legal consequences as "attacks of the adversary".

It seems to me that the most logical approach would be to right the wrongs, but no.. Usually, the victims do not just go away, and every time the perpetrators stick their head up to see if anybody is still watching, they get another thumping. Obviously, they do not care for their reputation, only the little wealth and copyrights that they are sitting on.

In light of this, I just wonder, what is really keeping them from making the situation right, or at least as right as is in their power to do? The souls they hurt are worth more than the piddling amount they have in their bank accounts. They oughta know the problems are just not going to go away, even if they retemorize the whole bible backwards and forwards. Why don't they just do the right thing?

Thanks Pat, I almost feel famous, heh heh heh.

Holy cow.. a country club up in the artic circle would have more to offer.

"As a potential follower, you will need to fill out a simple financial statement, and provide verification of your statements. A simple copy of your last three years of Federal tax returns will be sufficient, as long as you include a sworn affidavit claiming that you had no other income.

We will also need to know your dental and physical condition. Your physician will have the proper forms allowing us to view your records.

While our qualifications are rigid, many will find "membership" in the organization worthwhile. Besides, we just can't have any poverty or sickness- this is the true household ya know."

It would not suprise me if it came to this. Almost like an application for an exclusive country club somewhere.. many were told to check people's teeth before witnessing to them!

No "bums" allowed in da vey!

In my opinion, this is the real definition of "freely availing." It is "available" only to "the best, the very few".

Those who have no money or real problems need not apply.

Freely avail- "I, the party of the first part, hereby forfeit my freedom to avail myself of anything in this organization. I understand that I am to 'freely avail' myself of time, evil material weatlth, and common sense to and for the organization. Results are not guaranteed, only da verd. Therefore, I understand that by freely availing, I cannot reasonably expect any return on my 'investment'."

I would like to see how unemotional the current "research team" would be if a current wayfer disagreed with what they were "researching".

Might be more appropriate if they said "we do not commit our work to publication.. anymore." The limited edition of the few pages of Vey rag can hardly qualify as "publication".

Holy cow.. sounds almost like some real life advice some people were given.. usually the kid WOULD be better off somewhere else.

Thanks Belle! I think Pat could use this one on the new site.. call it "coffee cup dilemma".

Dear Helpless: Why not use sea water? NO, not for cleaning the cups, you farking idiot. Use it to MAKE the coffee. Your guests will no longer consume the coffee, hence, you will not even need clean cups. By the way, I am from Iowa. Tell anybody that you are from Iowa again, and I will break BOTH of your arms. Love, Hel.

"Dear Heloise, I am in a quandry as to what to do with the used coffee styrofoam cups. The slobs that come to my little meeting leave tobacco stains, lipstick, chewing gum, and goobers in the cups. I am now finding it almost impossible to remove said stains, and am about ready to mark and avoid the whole bunch of idiots. Please tell me what to do.. Helpless in Podunk Iowa (no aspersions intended to the great state of Iowa) .

Thanks Jim! Next: "101 ways to make water more appetizing for your wayfer fellowship." Just kidding..

Steve, you really beat me to that one! "no friends when it comes to the word" in a lot of ways really meant "only friends you can have are in the ministry." Can't "fully share" (there's another one!) with anyone outside of the built of straw framework of TWI. Thank God I developed a few real friendships outside of that mess before I left.

The threat of expulsion was and still is very real, very threatening for a lot of folks. They really would have nowhere to go, no support, no real friends.

Ha ha ha ha ha..

Thanks for reminding me.. it was the sacred, never to be disavowed "triple dog dare". I'd still be careful, it's been know to freeze over in he** every once in a while..

That's pretty funny. Just don't lick the light pole because of a "double dog dare".

Belle, reminds me of the Christmas Story, family had to eat at the chinese place.. duck instead of turkey. Still had its head (that was easily remedied).

Interesting though. My english prof taught that clarity only often comes through revision, and sometimes much revision. You should see how some of my almost prize winning papers started. Some of us poor oafs probably don't know what they are talking about until things really get going.

Sometimes it is hard to be as clear as mud..