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10. A glazed look in your eyes will have a important contribution confirming insanity when mixed with chanting. This can easily be achieved by consuming a corpulent amount of tequila. The key then is to keep your eyes open. Indeed, you may not hear the judge instructing you regarding the chanting. A safer substitute is often practiced, sitting in a closed dark room, listening to "Beautiful Ohio" or "Earl the Christmas Squirrel" for several hours before the trial.

Bob, it may be a good possibility. Any striking resemblences to my description? If you found impressions from the horses hooves in his forehead, we may have a positive identification..

At one time, I did not have a very high regard for lawyers, or the legal system. From what they have to go through with these kind of numbnuts, I now think they earn every penney they get.

OK Belle, you get the dubious honor of presenting Nr. 8..

How about for nr. 9, and I hope "Mr." Linder is still taking good notes:

9. Another good strategy would be to shave your head, eyebrows, in short all visible hair on your body. When things become even more tense for you in the courtroom, start chanting. Not really loud, but loud enough that you know you are noticed.

Continue chanting at various times, acting as if you cannot hear the judges instructions for you to do otherwise.

This can often times help if you choose to enter an insanity plea.

This may be helpful,not only at trials, but during pesky, uncomfortable depositions.

Yep. And of course it will have to be taught by the Hitlers, the lowest of the low, the only ones "qualified" to be marked as faithful in "the household". Cripe, who can be left to teach it? They've run off just about all the folks that had any shred of smarts, decency and self-respect- or any real biblical insight, for that matter.

Well, they have had a little experience in giving depositions to plaintiff's lawyers. I don't think the lawyers were paid enough.

Belle, holy cow! I think even with an army of lawyers on the prosecution side, they would find it next to impossible to get an answer of "yes" or "No".

Well, I think we could say one thing.. he did end up with a corps that was a lot like him! But this wonderful limb coordinator- full time corps. Unbelievable. I think he may have been slightly an exception to the rule. Martindale may have been twisted, evil, and generally a megalomaniac, but he was not that stupid. Maybe the guy got kicked in the head a few too many times by his pet horse in his youth.. I don't know.. but he was not only chosen to remain full time, but was ORDAINED, the "best of the best".

Makes me wonder what the price for being clergy was, at least in recent years, shortly before martinfail's departure. And like a nice, "renewed mind" wafer, I set aside my suspicions as being "firey darts of da adversary". But I could not bring myself to the point of really trusting this guy. I think he paid "the ultimate price" for ordination, others have. Has enough "goods" on them, they could never dismiss him.

Some may view it as conjecture, and maybe it is. But other similar suspicions have proven to be true. This one- no, at least not yet.

The path of least resistance would DEFINITELY not include trying to sweep this guy under the rug. They axed whoever they thought would be not be a threat, or a minimal threat.

Still it makes me wonder: what in the world was loy thinking, or was he thinking, Or did he just go off the deep end? Did he hear voices saying that they oughta go full time and think it was God talking to him? Maybe he was victim of Dr. Hoffman's "headache" remedy..

"Joshua, Vic is dead. therefore, arise, go, taking as many poor saps as you can with you, via the full time corps thingy, into da "promised land". You do not have to be afraid of the accountants; I will pay all the bills". Sounds pretty "biblical", heh heh.

It couldn't be entirely attributed to ignorance either. He did somehow end up with a college degree, Jock or not.

I kind of like threads of this nature. Reminds me about some of the questions and doubts that I sometimes had and just plain dismissed thinking "well, that just can't be right"..

Yep. Chalk up another one for "infallibility". Maybe that's why it got so bad. Funny, a lot of the cuts could not be deemed "spiritually" right, either. I think they chose the path of least resistance. Get rid of anyone with an ounce of goodness, or sincerity. They would be less likely to come back and bite you in the foot.

Those proven to be Hitler-like seem to be immune to this kind of treatment. He sure did end up with an "active" corps that was full time; but whew, look at what he ended up with.

I have had a few suspicions for a very long time.

The then limb coordinator here, yep, mr. bread and vegetables guy again, seemed to have the mental acumen of a jackass. I mean, really, really DUMB. Probably still can't negotiate himself out of a wet paper bag. But his wife! Wowser, she was a "looker"! And she was smart.

I kept asking myself how such a idiot could be on the corpses full time honor roll, put in charge of a limb, and eventually put in charge of a region as the case is now. Only one answer seemed to keep coming up in my mind..

Wayfer Not, I think you are right.. I think they kept the cussing to a minimum so kids could watch it.

Steve, I think you have a real point. I will revise it, "if you are Rosie, consider using a minimum of makeup. That's gotta make somebody feel sorry for you".

Would not want to scare the jury too much. They might vote to lock em up and throw away the key just on instinct for survival.

How about, number 7!

7. If you find it difficult or next to impossible to tell the truth (pretty likely scenario), and by some stroke of stupidity you find your self on the stand under cross examination, answer incriminating questions with a double negative. "truly, at no time did I never support abuse of any kind". Keep saying this while keeping the mistaken notion that "da jury" is gonna buy it.

I thought a little about that. It would be funny if they were "cursed" and HAD to tell the truth for a day.. reminds me of Jim Carey in "Liar, Liar", the bathroom scene where he's trying to fabricate an excuse for having a continuance. "What are you doing?" "I'm beating the he** out of myself."

But I think that is what the half bottle of tranquilzers is for. Helps them say anything.

And that's another thing. If things are so much better, kinder and cheery, why do they have to spend half a fortune on LAWYERS? What is this with the almost constant litigation? Might be more honest if they slowly leaked out- "people can come back now. It would make it much better for our lawyers (have to pay them you know).."

Probably WAY to late for them to try to distance themselves from the guy. Look how long it took for them to oust Loy. Probably still waiting for "the word" of the lawyers..

OK. I know this is another nice "what if" deal, but suppose some of our dreams come true, and the BOD and crew find themselves facing "Da Jury".

Being the kind and generous folk that we are, perhaps we should offer them some advice to help them get off the hook. I was thinking:

1. Learn to Cry. Hard, and for a long time. Some jury members may be impressed.

2. If you cannot learn to cry, there still may be some options. Pay Lind** to work you over with his stick. Dark, depressed, sagging eyes may have the same effect, second only to crying your eyes out through the whole trial.

3. Go to one of the cheapest second hand clothing establishments that you can find. Don't wanna give the impression that you have any money.

4. If you're Rosie, consider not wearing make up. That's gotta make somebody feel sorry for you.

5. Rosie should forego the "treatment" with the stick. Probably not make a bit of difference.

6. A couple of Zoloft and a handful of valiums may help.

I could keep going, but won't spoil all the fun.. any other good suggestions?

Kinda interesting.. the really good guys that were near the top either left or were ousted long, long ago. It took them a lot longer to find the good folks further down the tree and pressure them, or run them off.

I think the full time corps / conduit from hell thingy is the best thing they could have done. Sure didn't take long to see the organization for what it really was.

Yep. Could be why we did run, or did not fit in- we (or they) found out that we were not rats.

Still, it would be preferable compared to the "beating" they may have coming their way. Holy smokes- seems like prosecuters are always looking for a nice easy case- and this would probably be it. Side with and protect abusers and criminals on a regular basis- I think they are in serious trouble. The current thing is not about just "treating people mean". Here we have a guy caught in the act, so to speak. And they continue to support the bastard.

I am not legal expert, but from what I understand, if its a conspiracy, all kinds of things go away, like statutes of limitations, corporate "protection" included.

Seems the settled lawsuits that implied corporate wrongdoing should get somebody's attention. At least one judge suggested that there was evidence indicating some kind of conspiracy. All of their piddling little millions would not be enough for them to buy their way out of it.

Think of it: it could be an easy victory for a young, coming up the ranks assistant prosecuter.

This little cornfield outfit does not have the resources to be able to put up much of a fight, compared to some of the larger groups.

But I am only dreaming and guessing, and posting this only as such. At least in my mind it sounds pretty logical..

I don't think it's too much of a derail.. things certainly would be better! Just never be able to go back..

Honestly, I think it would have gone a lot better for them to have closed the place down voluntarily.

Deleted.. sorry, putting them in the wrong threads today for some reason..

Belle, I would like to add, don't think that the "corporate veil" is going to protect you. Now is the time to take some advice from the other fleeing rats. I'd run for my life..

I dunno.. maybe they are just trying a new tactic. No longer will they need an army of lawyers to pry the name "the way" from other organizations. Make it look bad enough, and in a short time, organizations will be ripping "the way" from all of their charters and letterheads voluntarily, like there's no tomorrow!

Hey House, here's another one "like the yak family". Used to encourage the group to protect itself. I think it turned into "like the rat family"- instead of running off, they tie their tails together and confront the world with the "logic" of their message!

The subject of two of the most recent threads may be pretty relevant here. Things are better, really? Why then are they STILL protecting "clergy" that really, really sinned? They are still calling they guy, supporting the guy through his "opportunity". Same old stuff. "If it really happened, God would have shown us".

I think the TWI spin experts have quite a lot of work ahead of them. This one may do them in. Time for ole rico to calm the crowds, somehow explain that the ship is not really sinking, while the innies watch the rats run for their lives.

Looks like things very likely may be much better.

How about: "you are welcome the The Way". Of course they don't use that one any more.

That one was replaced with "if you don't kiss our rear ends in the exactly prescribed manner, don't let the door hit you in the a**".

Maybe they will get all gushy and cheery faced again. People will be "welcome" again, just have to redefine what "welcome" means.

"You are 'welcome' (we will gladly take your money, time, family life, and any other perceived resource. We still expect you to continue to kiss the MOG's rear end, however. Failure to do so will still place you outside of the walls of 'zion', in the realm of wild beasts. 'Results' are still not guaranteed. But you can come back; things are better than they were. When we abuse you, it will be while wearing a cheery smile, and using softer words) at De Vey.

Hows that for a "literal translation according to usage"?

From Houseisarockin:

"We've heard it rumored they were working on new classes. Ed Horney went somewhere, somewhere in the belly of the system. I've wondered what he was doing. New classes...I've wondered. All it is, all it is."

I must have missed this the first time through. Went into the "belly of the system" heh heh- I sure wouldn't want to be him when he "comes out" heh heh heh..