bliss

- I also cry a lot - no matter what the song at one pint I just get moved to tears

I am so with you on that one DOOJ, I cry at all live music.

I go to plays, as soon as I sit there, looking at the stage, I CRY.

I can see them over and over, I still cry.

The other day, after our bible study class, one of my friends wanted us to go "back stage" and meet up with the pianist, whom my hubby knew from work.....

Anyway, we were standing there, with the choir, singing "I know God" or something. It was so overwhelming and powerful, I was moved to tears. I wasn't even staying for the service. (not yet we don't)

It was more powerful than the Way corus choir IMO

and all the while, different people are looking back at us, saying 'hi' and smiling.

The whole time I am thinking, "who's going to get in trouble for bringing these new people(us) back stage."

I mean, could you imagine, at HQ or any meeting for that matter, where there was practice or getting ready going on, and you just stroll to the back stage with newbies, to say HI to someone?

I can hear the reproof now.................

But to my releif and happiness, they were just blessed to see us.

Gosh, what we used to put up with.

Jeez, that makes no sense; that's like a man looking at a Playboy centerfold and as soon as he starts to get aroused.....OH MY GOD! WHERE'S THE FIREPLACE? HOW COULD I HAVE BEEN SO EVIL?

O M Gawd , Johniam, did you just compare the bible with ................................a dirty magazine?

Yes, weeping.

Why was that so frowned upon?

I remember VERY CLEARLY right after my first child was born.

My baby had something wrong with her and had to go in a "machine".

Nothing life threatening but for a first time mom, after 24 hours of labor, and only 12 hours later....

seeing my baby in a box and I couldn't hold her well......you get the picture, I was a mess. Not wailing or screaming, just emotional, I wanted my baby to be alright!

Well, my BC wife decides to call me and tell me to "GET A HOLD OF YOUR MIND" (one day after giving birth)

"What are you going to do when your kids break an arm?" "Control your emotions, it's not a big deal"

WOW

and I thought my ministers would "pray with or for us"? :blink:

Not ONE ounce of HUMILITY in that article.

Not ONE ounce of MEEKNESS......

This is exactly why I started the thread on "believing".

My friend musta read this article right before she "witnessed" to the gal.

Trust in the LORD (not me) with all YOUR heart

And lean NOT onto YOUR OWN understanding

In ALL YOUR WAYS Aknowledge (who?) HIM

and HE WILL direct your path.

They forget the simple verses that clarify who directs our path.

Let me be clear, I am NOT talking about the EFFORTS or works we do toward a goal or something.

I am NOT talking about "staying positive". Everyone knows that my attitude toward any given task/problem/challenge will effect/affect the outcome and those around me.

We all know that believing without WORKS IS DEAD.......right?

So how can I call you and say I had a bad day, will you "believe with me" for a better one? How ya gonna "work" that one?

This is the kinda talk and walk I am dealing with. It bothers me so.

My response as of late is "I will PRAY for you, to get the answers or peace that you need".

But I cannot "believe with, or for" you to have a good day.

This is the LINGO of INNIES today.

Example:

I am sick today (true)

I did everything I could to not get the cold my hubby/children had. And I take herbs....excersize.....

spray lysol, eat good, wash my hands....................I totally "believed" not to get it, and even prayed about it. Family innies said " I will believe with you to not get it".

I still got sick.

So I ask you, did I fail? Did my believing fail me? Where does this leave me?

Next scenario- I think this believing concept taught in TWI leaves God's will out of the picture. Not to say that he wanted me sick.................but, in light of ''achieving goals etc..."

like, a job

or moving

etc....

When is it "thy will be done" Lord, if we are all too caught up in "believing" for something we want?

Reading Hopefull's thread in the Open forum reminded me of an incident that happend the other day.

(lets not put this in the doctrinal dungeun just yet, pleeze )

An Innie told me that she "witnessed" to a woman who was having a bad week.

She didn't know why everything was going wrong or "falling apart".

Innie told her about the "law of believing'' and then, handed her the blue book.

Now, I don't call this "witnessing" anymore.

and it makes her at fault for all the 'bad' that is happening to her.

Do innies not see the condemnation this kind of teaching leaves people to deal with?

What say you?

Mama has always said, "this too shall pass" and it does (the good and the bad times).

you took the words right out of my mouth!

There is always tomorrow......................................

wow your voice is much deeper than i thought PAW

Barry White style

Good job

wow, I remember that billboard. We used to drive to HQ almost every Sunday from 250 miles away!

We couldn't believe it.

I am sorry I didn't heed the "sign" then.

Lets do another one! hahaha

I looked cuz, I do that sorta thing. I am nosey by birth.

Over the years, I came, saw, left, came, saw, left

Mostly scared to death

Mostly not ready to hear

Then when "I" was ready (for many reasons)

finally I looked, I believed, I stayed.

Can I get an "AMEN?"

Thanks CM!

ok ok

I thought this was about "holy hands" not unholy bongs?

lol

thanks all for your thoughts, I will consider all viewpoints.

For me, I use to have to hold my hands together with the fingers pointing UP toward God. That stuck with me since childhood, although, never did it in TWI.

I think for me its a feeling of "connection" or "touching" God in a way. If the music so inspires me (which in TWI it RARELY happend, unless it was a local group), I might raise my hands in thankfullness or joy.

We'll see what happens. I only attend Sunday School right now, we haven't gone to a real "service" yet.

(((((((S N I F F)))))))))

((((((ahhhhhhh)))))))))

Do you smell that?

It is the sweet smell of F R E E D O M and the sweetness of a REAL relationship with G O D and my

S A V I O R !

That is what made us leave.

Mark~ you rock! (even though you're an RC)

Sunny dear, call me!

edited to fix my grammer(duh)

Thus far I have allowed myself access to Mikes posts and have not put him on IGNORE..........

I thought they were interesting to read, and as a fellow brother in Christ, I was going to give him some long-suffering.............

I changed my mind

Welcome Simple Guy!

Nothing like coming out swingin!

Thanks all for your input, I still need to take this into my own "hands" by allowing God to lead me.

So, Dove, Socks, I couldn't raise anything or dance when the teaching is going on, that I agree. I don't think God would interupt himself.

Having said that, do you all shout or pump a fist at sporting events, concerts?

If not, then, why?

If so, then what is wrong with doing it in a rockin worship service (we're talking music time here)?

oh Hi Allan, anyway.

Thanks GT, worked like a charm...............

I promise to remember,

or

I will try to remember.

Uh, I think my child hit a button, so now, all of my front page web sites, (home pages etc..) have

tinee tiny font.

what the #$%# do I do to change it back?

I fixed it on my own a few months back, but I can't for the life of me remember what I did?

h e l p.........................

Wherever a believer is, there Christ is present.

Why has this passage not been discussed by the “absent Christ” accusers here? Because it cuts across their thesis.

First off, I wasn't talking about Christ-In. Or the power WE have with Christ-In. Lets get the focus OFF of ourselves for a moment.

You have been hoodwinked by them to think that Christ is absent in Dr’s books and that he taught Christ as absent in our lives. Nothing could be farther from the truth!

Second, I HAVE NOT BEEN HOODWINKED by anyone. I had this conclusion LONG before I ever heard about it from GS or JAL or whoever.

I read the bible and the gospels on my own, and wondered for years......

I know what was taught to me, and it certainly wasn't about having a vital relationship with the HEAD of the Church, Jesus. Whether it was due to Craig or VP, I don't care. Point is, for us in the 90's, Jesus was non-existent.

You are right, Dr. taught wherever WE are, there HE IS, but that is NOT TEACHING us HOW to have a RELATIONSHIP with him, it is saying we DON'T need one because HE is already IN US!

***

Still IMO

Dearest MIKE

Simple guy's posts had more to do about Jesus Christ as Lord in our life, and you barely touched on that............ why are you skipping over that? Do you believe Jesus is "absent"?

And you said we have MORE grace now? That is like saying "a little pregnant".

To me, grace is grace is grace.

IMO

peace

There used to be a teaching about "what it really means",

I never understood it though.

Nobody could explain it clear enough.....................something like "lifting hands was not literal, that it was a figure of speech............."

Does anyone remember the illogic that was taught?

Also, I think it had to do with "contoling your emotions".

Unfortunately, many wafers ended up with NO emotion.

There is a difference between, controlling emotions or having them control you. In the Way we always took the extreme of one..

Ok, Craig used to shout about this, and why we SHOULD NOT DO IT

Innies, cringe at the sight or sound of someone religious doing it!

I raise my hands for all sorts of things:

Sporting Events ( whoohoo, go , ya!)

Rock Concerts (lalalalalala, whoooohooo,ya flicker light)

Kids Games (ya, go johnny go)

In Class (i know the answer, pick me)

to check the weather or stretch...........haha

Point is, why is it ok to do it for "worldly" reasons, but when it came to praise and worship, OH NO!

It was labeled many ways from being possessed to not being decent and in order.

Can anyone share on the verse that was used to discredit this, and any to support it?