bliss

So, for some of us, it came as no surprise that he cancelled the WOW program at the 1995 Rock of Ages. Whether this homo activity took place in tent city during the roa........I don't know.

Hope this helps.

Actually it was the 94 ROA, I was a casualty of that war! (((yippee)

I have to check more sources, but there were incidents in 91 that were horrible.

ROA 93' Craig was on the war path over "teens" fooling around at the Rock.[/color]

Sunny girlfriend,

Yea, what he(Mark) said, is what I was telling you.

Love your posts Mark, btw, of course, no Catholic church for me..........................

You are right about the "ignoring" thing...

You either get involoved, except it/learn why etc... or go to the few out there that are pretty much "labeled" cultish.

I presently am in a Baptist bible class, and learning stuff about humility and love that I never truly experienced in the Way (YMMV).

I say truly, because, isolated occurances of this with great people in the Way did happen, but it was NOT the norm in the 90's and certainly not encouraged by examples of the leaders.

I have not addressed a lot of these issues yet, because it is all to new for us.(baptism, trinity, life after death), and honestly, right now, I don't care!

I just wanted to "see" if all that they way said about "others" was true........

So far, they were wwwwwwayyyy off (no pun).

There’s something eerily similar with my thoughtless Roman Catholicism and my wholehearted acceptance of The Way’s doctrine. It’s probably the fact that I didn’t have to think with either one. Here’s a personal belief of mine: The Bible is a means to an end [connecting with God] and not an end in itself [becoming a Bible know-it-all]. I also believe God gave us His Word to bring us into a transforming relationship with Him.

Around the time when I left TWI, I remember reading Jeremiah 9: 23 & 24 – and it hit me. I saw a chasm – on one side was how much I knew [or rather thought I knew] about God. On the other side was knowing God. It’s the difference between reading an autobiography of someone famous and being their close friend. What freedom! I’m no longer bound to think of my Lord through the filter of a priesthood [whether Roman Catholic or German Plagiarist]. And It’s okay if others don’t think like I do.

Bingo for me T-Bone

I was trying to put the similarities to words, and couldn't figure out the relationship. You are right, I was raised RC, school and church, yet knew nothing.

So, finding the Way and getting all this "knowledge" I thought that this must be how to get to God.

Bottom LINE: They both made me LAZY. Either don't tell me enough,but have (works to get to heaven), or tell me what to do every minute of the day (works of the flesh for rewards). NO thinking invoved.

Gosh, I am learning about a relationship with God and Jesus MORE NOW than all the verses, retemories, SITing, fellowships, witnessing, etc............. ever did for me.

It comes with freedom, true freedom in Christ. And seeing people who LOVE yet only know a couple of verses of scripture, and they don't know "orientalisms" either.

Nothing wrong with knowing Greek, customs, yada yada, but how much and how far do we go? If our relationship is based on "how much we know" then, I'll be locking myself in an office for the next.......................???????

This just cannot be. I'll just K. I. S .S............

I told an "innie" relative that "God told us to leave."..........................

"oh really?" was the response.

Do you think she believed me? :unsure:

Ernst and Young does their audits every month, they brag about this......................

Talk to any "Corps" about the Way being "about money" and they jump all over you................

This just happend this week actually.

They say everything is accounted for. To the penny.

So, from the senses, they aren't the ministry that "flaunts" the bucks.

No Rolls Royce, no diamonds, no bling bling sorta speak.

Not even fancy homes, ok the chalet, but in general, they aren't flashy.

So, when asked where the money goes, "it goes to the outreach of God's word";

Example: salaries, and the"land".

Why don't they post what they have and what they "do" with the money? That to me is an issue.

Because they don't want us to see what they "don't do" with the money?

It certainly isn't to "help" people.

It is all about control.

Because if they can control you, the money will automatically come in.

(I don't think it's all about 'control' now with lcm gone, but they haven't changed anything either)

I wish we all lived closer! I WANNA PLAY!

This is the funniest sheet I ever heard.....................

Thank you father (slurp)

The prevailing word(slurp slurp)

we prevail in the household (slurp slurp slurp)

will will see expansion as we Move the word with prevailing might(gulp gulp gulp gulp)

((((((((barf)))))))))) :wacko:

For me, a new "outie" I needed to examine this doctrine for myself.

I allowed the Way to define what the Trinity is and meant. I never looked into it myself until recently.

One thing I am sure of is the Way (JCNG) misrepresented what Trinitarians and the Trinity mean.

I can talk to both sides of the issue, and be equally convinced.

So, where does that leave me?

I rest in leaning on God, and His path for my life I trust now.

It was hard to go to a church and hear trinity or them talk about Jesus coming down and becoming a man, but as the Way colored glasses are starting to vanish, and I see the love and care they have toward people of all faiths (something foreign to TWI), it really isn't the big deal it used to be.

I don't think we can truly DEFINE GOD anyway. I just know He is, and Jesus is, and the holy spirit is........for now, that is all I need.

MEX.........................sure love you, and your accent........

question:

Who are we to "copy" or "mimic" or ....ahhhh our "example"?

Jesus yes, remember him? It is not about "who it is addressed to?" It is about "being like Jesus Christ!"

and "to whom it is addressed" is for the doctrinal section if you want to ask about that!

I understand if someone WON"T get help and is hurting people, but this is NOT how M & A was used for.

imo

helloo newbie

Ok, I went to the WAY website *shudder*, and re-read all their bunko..........

You know, Jesus really is "absent" even in all their pages. Amazing! No wonder we all have a problem in this category. Jesus was only talked about in passing or to close out prayer.

Even when they titled a teaching "Jesus Christ our risen Lord" (for April 2005), it wasn't about him at all!

It was about what God wrought through Jesus, to give us abundance.... huh, go figure.

Peace, Grace, new birth, no condemnation.......

There it was "resurection Sunday" and they don't even talk about our Lord. They just go back to themselves and what "we get".

I don't need to always say Christ either. Sometimes I need to make myself just say JESUS did this, or Jesus did that........

so ya, Jesus is alright with me too.

The hypocrisy is rampant here, can you not see it "innies?"

This is why we all left, bottom line.

There is NO FEAR OF GOD BEFORE THEIR EYES.

They sweep EVERYTHING under the rug!

If they don't address the wrongs and learn from it,

HISTORY WILL REPEAT ITSELF!

NO HUMILITY

I have NEVER in my 15 years, ever heard an "apology" for anything. (oh sure, a couple of clarifications, here and there).

NOT EVEN FOR LCM"S mess up.

A freind of mine just confronted some leadership in his area, and asked why there was no apology.

Apparently, this leader says there was. He took notes, he was "at the meeting".

He must be confused with Craigs,"announcement to step down", with a true "apology".

(((((hummmmm????))))))

I was there, I didn't hear ol Rosie come out and cry, and say

"we are so sowry for all ya'all's hurt, who were kicked out unjustly, who Craig yelled/screamed/bullied, we are totally sowry. We just didn't see it, we thought he was doing the Word, we were blinded, and we will do our best to never allow this kind of mistreament of God's people again. All ya'll that have left and would like to start anew, please come back, lets make a fresh start.......what he did was wrong, we do NOT condone it, .............."

Wouldn't this have been more honest? This was NOT DONE!

Ahhhhh I just get so mad even typing this...............((((ug))))

bliss

Hey WW

I am a little confused. Do all 3 men (Stiles/Leonard/Bullinger) share the same beliefs in holy spirit?

I don't have any of these books, but in trying to piece this together, Doc Vic took Stiles for the first edition, than added some Bullinger/Stiles in the later editions?

Then instead of word for word plagerism, he just took all these guys and mushed it together, but never noted or mentioned them?

I am pretty sure that the 3 men have differences, so Doc vic just took what he liked and made his own book out of it.....?

How bout the old "hey how are you?"

Response: "AS HE IS"

?????????? :unsure:

bumped diddy bump bump.................

someone needs this research.............

WOW~ Frey admits lying and embellishing details.

He is sorry. (cuz he got caught, and caused lots of embarrassment..................)

The parallells are uncanny...............................maybe we should put TWI on OPRAH?

The truth DOES matter!

...........................................but you still have to PROVE IT before you'll HOLD ONTO IT!

Did they speak English?

It seems like this hospital is located in a 3rd world country.

If this was ME, everyone in my family would know AHEAD of time to make the decision. Seems either a lack of communication on their part, or a government conspiracy!

too weird

I feel for that woman.

What hyposcrisy!

They SOOOOO want to look like men

But then they go and get IMPLANTS!

What is up with these women? ahhhh man? it?

And here we were "Way Corps Volunteers" after a whole year in residence, and considered as a bunch of lazy a$$es by some third world dudes "that hadn't even had the Class!" What a stooge I was. But I did learn a valuable lesson from that.

That is the funniest thing I ever heard (well one of).LOL

Too bad Wally and Pierre didn't work with ALL of the Way Corps. You had a unique experience. I wonder where they are now?

The bible says we are to "prove all things, hold fast to that which is good". That means if we learned truths from Victor Paul Wierwille, or L. Craig Martindale, Rosalie F. Rivenbark, we hold fast to them, irrespective of their screwups, or even of their good works!

"Prove All Things, Hold Fast To That Which Is Good"

How do we know what is the TRUTH Oldies?

That is the point Oldies, PROVE IT! Most don't know what was/is/is not truth, so we have to start over!

IF a LITTLE or ALL was true what Doc Vic/LCM taught, then, when we PROVE it, we will HOLD TO THE GOOD!

(at least I will)

But right now, I have to check ALL that I was taught first.

How did you know about NOT agreeing with the TITHE unless you re-evaluated it, proved it?

You came to other conclusions, therefore, YOU DID NOT HOLD ONTO THAT, to you it was NOT GOOD.

I go to a sunday school class right now and "nodody CLAPS" for the teachers.

It is really refreshing.

No "whoooohoooooo, yea, whoooohoooo, clap clap clap, yea, whohhoooooooo"

"thank you , you may be seated!"

whew

my freind too

Her mum is Leslie

Well, without divulging too much................

He was a disaster, his life 180 than he ever thought it would go, custody battles you name it.

Bottom line, the Way Corps was too much for their marriage, so because of all the "legalism" and EVERYTHING else........... they had to deal with on a daily basis.........................they were torn apart.

Yes, we did start talking again after he contacted us. Tons of talking. It was heart wrenching for us cuz he seemed on the brink of suicide. So with God and help he got himself out of a lot of trouble, tried to pick up the peices, starting with moving away from the area.

We still keep in touch, and he loves what he does, and is getting remarried.

Can't say he left " the way" yet though.

Welcome T-bone

I'll have to try one myself next time I'm "gassing up."

love the bottom of your screen..............

"exceedingl abundantly above all the bs".................................haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa lol

love it.

Which this brings up another point.......

We had Branch Coordinators years ago, going through a "private hell". In ALL Ways of their life.

We considered ourselves "VERY GOOD FRIENDS".

Yet, they never came to us for help, WE WERE BELOW THEM on the food chain.

Ends up, they leave the ministry one day, divorced, and all.

I wanted to call THAT DAY, but being so confused and hurt and (in the screaming 90's), I did what every good little wayfer does.....I called the Region Coord, to share my heart.

I told him I wanted to call. He said NO. That if HE couldn 't ''save" them, I sure couldn't.

Fast forward 1 year later, this same BC is depressed beyond beleif, and crying for help and calls us.

He was so hurt that nobody would reach out and call.

I was so mad at myself. I should of called and said, what is up?

What can I do to help? If you need me, I am there. We are your friends no matter what.

But, that is not how it operated in those days......................................

and obviously still carries over to this day.