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You had already called the folks you were close to, right? So these others who didn't call... ya'll weren't particularly close to anyways? Right? Wrongo!

Actually we told those who we thought could handle it.

I don't know if <B>*I*</B> would have called you up either if I didn't know you that well.

Well, *I* extend brotherly love to ANYONE in my fellowship. Try to remember Sudo, TWI may BE a religion, but fellowships are SMALL. We are talking 20 people here. Not a whole congregation.

I don't think I've EVER called up someone who left our church and asked them what was up.

Why? It doesn't mean you call up EVERYONE, unless that is your ministry. Again, doensn't really apply to the Twig setup.

If Carol and I had been close to them we already knew what was going on.

That is you. Most go through silent hell no matter "how close" to someone they were. Your best friend, even spouses turn on you. That did happen in our family. One spouse left, the other said NO.

We left in about '87 ourselves and as I hear it, TWI had gotten so much more controlling after we left.

Exactly. Way more.

Hey! I've got a question for you! Does TWI still teach "Mark and Avoid" as doctrine towards those who have left? You see.. they started that M & A thingee after we had already left!

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They do not "teach" it as of yet because of all the negative impact it has had. But nevertheless, it still "applies" in the hearts and minds of those around in the day.

which again, brings me to the point.....*I* don't NEED to have them call me to feel missed, or something. My point is that if they are teaching love, than it would be a natural response to call.

You don't understand what it was and is like for folks to leave the ministry and think you can just "tell all" to people. It is way too much.

People need to come to their own decisions to leave because they see something missing.....etc....

Otherwise, I am a cult. And I don't need anyone following me!

Are we discussing what the word "dead" means, or where we go AFTER death?

Seems the two can be different.

Bliss,

So... when you two left, did you call any of your TWI friends to tell them you were leaving? It doesn't sound like it. It sounds like you were waiting on them to call YOU. No? How long had you guys been in?

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Dearest Sudo,

Of course we called the ones we "hung with". That was hard enough! One couple refused to listen to any more than a "little" of what we had to say. These are folks that we "had beers with".

Another couple was "All Ears" because they were READY to hear it.

The rest, No we didn't feel it was our place to call and ruffle feathers.

My point was to show that "if things have changed"....then they WOULD have called and checked on us. It is only natural when you care about someone to wonder what happens when you disappear or there is negative talk. But, that is my point.

It has not changed, considering all the rhetoric.

We were in FOREVER.BTW

and Mooney........what are you tracking me? LOL

They were informed last month.........................................it was brushed under the rug, they don't want to discuss......

At least they aren't mark and avoiding us.........I hope.

well......all I know for NOW is what JOHN 14:26 says:

But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, Whom the Father will send in My Name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your rememberance........................

so even Jesus didn't say that a "MOG" would teach it......................

Then we have to get back to defining "God, who is he"? and Who or What is Holy Spirit?

To all the people I have loved in the Way, past, present and future:

A little ditty for you to "see" a little of my side and to hear it for yourself.

After my departure from the "cult" ( yes it is) a fellow believer I was "friends" with, finally called. (it only took a half a year).

Never one to obey anyone blindly, (thankfully, she only got IN 2 years ago~ and didn't develop Way colored glasses yet....) she called to see how we were doing, and to HEAR it for herself.

Hear what you ask?

Why, to see if we were as "screwed up" as our last TC said we are.

Here is the scenario:

"Hey where are ____ and ____ been? How are they?"

"They are not STANDING and do not fellowship anymore with the Way"

"What? Why? what happend?"

"she (me) took him (hubby) OUT!"

Anybody who knows us can tell you that my husband makes up his own mind.

Second, we stick TOGETHER, no matter what.

Third, he took himself "out"!

Boy this made me mad, but I am not surprised.

Well, thankfully, this girl remembers all the love and advice we had ever given her, and didn't agree with even HALf of the "rules" or beliefs of the Way...

Took it upon herself to see how we were doing. Isn't that sweet? Haven't had ONE phone call from anybody else from my " so called friends" in our last fellowship to see how we were doing. So this was a nice blessing.

This is the NEW WAY? The LOVE? Nice and Gentle?

Here is another one for you......

this same leader told her that "anyone who leaves the ministry, something bad will happen to them!"

Yes, folks, here you go.......................the NEW and Improved Way International!

You want to know WHY we left?

too much to tell...........

So just stay here a while and you'll know.

But for thread value here it is.................

We stand for God and Truth,

No matter WHAT the lawyers tell us........

Can't support EVIL doctrine (yes, i said doctrine) or practice. They kinda go together.

NEVER BE AFRAID TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT is our motto!

Obviously The BOD BOT BOOB's or whatever they are called now, don't beleive that.

So, there you go, the horse has spoken, and one more thing............................

((((((((WAKE UP))))))))))

Bless you

Where is she now?

Was Romona "let go" "kicked to the curb?"

Never heard or knew.

Here is something I am starting to believe....

A person with "holy spirit" cannot have another "spirit" indwelling at the same time.

Think about THAT for a moment. How many wafers who already SIT were there, but then were told that they were "possessd" ?

I mean, for a devil spirit to be inside you at the same time as holy spirit.................a lot of fightin perty hard, IMO.

(Move over holy spirit, no, get thee behind me Satan, no YOu get out, no you!!...) I can hear it now.....

It would make no sense as long as you believe you do not "lose'' holy spirit.

So in light of this then;

There have been born again folks that have commited all of these acts.

So either,they cannot be "possessed" at the time (just influenced by).

or

they "lost" holy spirit.

I think God is the judge on this one.

IMO

Father Father Father Father

Thank you Thank you Thank you Thank you

Didn't we have any more words to use?

Geez

13 printed pages was enough for me........lets see who's missing though.

@(%* you, stupid, ignorant cuz. @(%* you, @(%* you, @(%* you.

uhhhh

What did you say?

Can you repeat it please, there must be something wrong with my computer?

There were too many @#$% thingies in the way.

Yes, thanks.

I always hated when parents would yell at their kids...."renew your mind!"

I always disagreed with it only on the level of them being children and they didn't know the "word" to renew their mind to.

I would correctly say "change your thinking".

Which, Rhino, you are right. We have control of our thoughts and what we think about/hence actions.

But this is NOT what God is talking about in "renewing".

"Lead all thoughts captive to the obedience of Christ, whatsoever things are pure.............think on these things, put on the mind of Christ"..................this is what "we did" to help us.

IMO

Gross Excie~ that would have definatley put me over the edge as a youngin....

For me, it wasn't about shutting "off" my brain, as much as it was "busying" my brain.

Remember, the Way never allowed you to "do nothing" with your mind. If you weren't working at a job, or

"cleaning your house" or studying the Word, or retemorizing, or running a class, studying the collaterals, or

witnessing...................then you should be Speaking in Tongues. When did our brain have a rest?

When did it just "be"?

Well, when folks get to that place of "stillness", then they can hear that "still small voice".

So, when we moved to the sticks, and got quiet, we could finally hear God (screaming ...................

"GET OUT GET OUT!") He must of thought we were deaf all those years.

Rise up o man of God, have done with "LESSER THINGS"...............

Give heart and soul and mind and stregnth,

to serve the One True God.

Lift HIGH the Word of God,

Tread where his feet have trod,

As brothers of the son of God, rise up of men of God....................

We had to sing this constantly before HE came out to teach....

I guess he thought it said

"Dressier things".

I went to Bible study the other day at a Baptist Church ( which is very hard for us to do ) but.........

it was so great.

One line really stood out:

"GOD renews your mind, not you!"

Holy cow! Really? It took all the pressure off me.

Is this off topic?

oh wait, I am going off on the "love of God in the renewed mind" thing..............

I always hated that defininition.

I still want to explore this further, but it made sense as we discussed it (yes we "discuss" in this class).

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In cult world...........being self-centered IS the roadmap to prevailing.

AMEN SKYRIDER, AMEN!

Been diehards since Season 1

Love that "Samwise Gamchie" is on now..................what a hoot.

Let see who he fires!

Loved Prison Break too, it will be back!

This is all the TV we watch, and hate when the season ends :(

It all started when I discovered that the verse 1Peter 1:20 was talking about "holy men of God" that did NOT write " their own" interpretation, that they were "moved by the holy spirit" to write it!

What an OXYMORON, to be teaching 'keys to the Words interpretation", and using this verse to say that WE should not "privatley interpret". When all along, the context was NEVER considered. It wasn't about how we approach the Word, it was all about how the Word got written by these men. Alleluah!

(they are still teaching this error btw)

This got the ball rolling. (I can't remember if it was on GS or another anti-way site that prompted my investigation)

Then I read about Doc vic and HIS "problem" with women, and the plagerism. That was it! I was done!

Looking at one mans sins (LCM) was enough. But to find out that from the inception, this ministry (doctrine and practice) was built on lies and sin, (Docvic) I could not "stand" any longer.

I know that after the lawsuits , their eldest daughter, who finished college, screamed at Loyboy and said;

"I don't even know if Jesus is not God, I don't know what to believe anymore."

They didn't talk to him for a long time. Especially their son, didn't want anything to do with him.

They've had it rough.

As far as the land...................they haven't done anything with it.

oh yea, ....................

that clapping at hootin and hollerin gave me the same heebeegeebees.

I can't believe we did that!

The bible class I attend at a Baptist Church, don't clap at all even after a kick butt teaching.....

they really TRY to give GOD the glory NOT MAN!

It was a breath of fresh air.

((((((sigh)))))))

One of our friends just called to say they are going in the Corpse!

They want to "change things" and bring back the "luv".

goodluck

You cannot run a fellowship if you have a Mortgage either.

Do you know how many Branch Leaders have had to take over the whole area because of this?

I am amazed they didn't scream to the BOD, but then again, more control.................

And they do have a new class with a bunch of teachers now, all on DVD, if I remember correctly.

You are gonna get it Rhino! Forget the pics now..........................

Can I come to your fellowship Eagle?

Was it social or for "da Word"?

Who cares?

They could be sleeping in, but instead they came to enjoy the sweetness of God and His people.

So sad leagalism set in. People need a shepard, not a butcher.

Glad to see you were just lovin God and His people.

LOL (anus!)

It looked like someone already took a shot at em.................

OK enough about the coffee already!!! I knew I was asking for trouble with my example...........I did my Hail Mary's already, and drank my coffee today, thankyou.

But this is a thread on SILLY REPROOF ok, any one want to ADMIT their sillyness?

GEEEZZZZ I said it was silly!