FreeFromCults

No Kidding!!!! They got what they deserve and they are sowing what they reap for being ungrateful lazy @sses.

That is your own prerrogative if you wanna forgive LCM. DON'T PONTIFICATE OR JUDGE ME JUST BECAUSE I CHOOSE NOT TO FORGIVE THAT BASTARD!!!! IT IS MY OWN RIGHT AND MY OWN PRERROGATIVE!!!! So by your logic, we should forgive Hitler for starting a war that killed millions of people along with his genocide programs? that we don't have the authority to forgive him because what he did was not done to us? Let me phrase you something that I read from WW2, maybe you're familiar with it: "When the Nazis went after the homosexual, I didn't speak up and do anything because I wasn't a homosexual. When the Nazis went after the Jews, I didn't speak up and do anything because I wasn't a Jew. When the Nazis went after the Catholics, I didn't speak up and do anything because I wasn't a Catholic. When the Nazis went after me, there was no one who could speak up and do anything for me." It's not the exact words, but you get the idea, heh? Like I said: "To each their own".

Let me add my responses: I consider myself a non-practicing Christian and I don't adhere to any sect or denomination in particular. I do believe in God, but I don't believe Jesus to be God as I believe he's the Son of God. I believe that SIT is nothing but CRAP. I don't know what happen to the dead. I don't go to any Church, Worship Center nor do I hang out and worship like I said I am non-practicing Christian. In other words, I grew up with the Christian beliefs (even before joining TWI), but I don't totally practice them as more than anything else, I am a human being and I make mistakes. Just because I make mistakes and I am not practicing my faith as much, does that mean God is gonna love us less???

Since I said "To Each Their Own". Let me tell you my wishes to LCM and his brown-nosing wannabes: 1) That they go thru what everyone who suffered at their hands had went through. 2) That they be at the receiving end of what they did to others before kicking and running them out. and I wish that they live thru all of our sufferings until their last stinking breath. I don't want them to die or suicide. I want them to REALLY live and feel for eternity what we went thru. You can FLAME me for saying this: I am not and will not wish them the best.

Lingo, To each one their own. However, if LCM or any of his goons stalks me or my loved ones, you and the whole world will hear and know that there will be one less scumbag in this world. LCM is a big bully and his "wannabes" are just as bad as being bullies. One can never reason with bullies. They also know about the "forgiving" part and they will use and abuse it. As long as they leave me alone, everything will be OK. I moved on, but I'll never forgive them and I will keep my guard up when it comes to them.

JesusChrist and God forgive everyone, but I am not JesusChrist and I am not God. So...no, I am not forgiving LCM and the ministry for their oppresive tactics in ruining countless number of lives. My life is not ruined because I didn't let them, but what about of the many people whose lives were ruined and shattered by them. Some of these people may not ever recover or are just too old to get back up after spending their entire lives in the ministry just to be kicked out to the curb. Don't tell me that is most un-Christian thing to say or don't tell me that I can be the better man if I forgive them. Sorry... Like I said, God forgives, but I am not God so I won't forgive them and I have every FRIGGING right to do so.

When you helped your brother out, you did make a difference in his life. You helped your brother get better and that is what LOVE is all about. That's the kinda of LOVE that God wants. Hey, JesusChrist hung out with a thief, a tax collector, an alleged prostitute, and the sick. It shows you that ministry is not about "LOVE" to others. Only about LOVE to itself. No Wonder why the ministry is shrinking. No wonder why not many people nowadays want to join the ministry.

It is not just TWI, but also other cults, ministries. It also happens in mainstream Christianity and in other religions (see Islam) as well. They all have an arrogant self-righteous almighty attitude of being better than everyone else. It's reason why I don't belong to any ministry nor practice any religion.

rascal, you're right. To all newcomers, they use the same common tactic as all cults: LoveBombing. However, I wasn't pushed or forced to go WOW after a year. I wasn't even pushed to go Corpse or even rushed and hurried up to take the AC. I wasn't pushed and forced to tithe even after 2 and half years, they always let me tithe whatever amount I could give. I could miss or come late to some meetings and they didn't hassle me about it. It was in my last 6 months when there was a change in leadership (the corpses and the brown-nosers coming from HQ) in the Branch where I lived that they were pushing me to quit school to go WOW, were hurrying me to take the AC, were pushing me to tithe from any source of money (work, help from parents and financial aid for school), even going far as to make tithing mandatory at every meeting and to give as much as well as giving me a screaming earful when I come late to or miss a meeting.

While I am not exactly defending TWI, I have to admit that when I started, FEAR wasn't the foundation of the doctrines. At least that wasn't the case by how well I was treated at first. However, since ROA '94, it has been all about FEAR. FEAR of this..., FEAR of that...., blah, blah, blah. It grew worse and worse as the screaming confrontations escalated as I had the misfortune of witnessing one in what was supposedly a night of mandatory twig meeting plus several doggings to everyone in the twig by the TC (Belle knows who that person is) quite a few times. I just had had it with it. I left, I escaped, I abandoned that place that was riddled only with FEAR not caring about what will happen to me when I left. So as far the past 11 years, you can say FEAR is the foundation of TWI doctrines.

I wonder if that BC's wife is still enjoying eating &$*# from her hubby. If she is, then I gotta admit that I respect her for still practicing what she preached though I don't agree with it.

What a spoiled arrogant cretin!!!! I'm not surprised if he idolizes or imitates LCM, another abusive spoiled arrogant cretin. You and all of us are much better off without them and their crap. They think what they do is a favor and tough love....Yeah Right. They can take their tough love and shove it up their own arses.

OUCH!!!! I'VE FALLEN AND I CAN'T GET UP!!!

Not to mention a long history of participating in genocides and killings "in the name of God"

Very true. Who the F**K cares if the man is not Christian as long as he treats his wife and children with love and respect?

And... after awhile we found out all the FEARS they planted in our minds are nothing but BS. When I left, I left on my own accord. I stayed because of fear, but with all their legalisms, trying to control my life along with dictating how day schedule should be, I just didn't care anymore what will happen to me if I left. I reached the point that I'd rather be dead than live like a slave of a tyrannical ministry.

Well said, DogLover!!! Good advice.

A true coward... he is. I heard while Loy Boy got into an incident with a football fan at a bowl game in Orlando, Moneyhands was cowering and hiding like the coward he is. I bet I can come behind him and say "BOOOHH! I am a former Way believer and a cop-out" and he'll be running for the nearest exit.

Belle, Sorry if I am going "spiritually" But if a man loves a woman, he SHOULD NOT and MUST NOT remake the woman he loves into some standard placed by any circle or ministry. He SHOULD NOT and MUST NOT belittle the woman for her faults and especially NOT in front of people that don't have any frigging business in the relationship. He SHOULD NOT AND MUST NEVER let anyone harm the woman he loves. Most importantly, he SHOULD NOT and MUST NEVER physically or psychologically abuse the woman he loves. Otherwise, he doesn't really love the woman. This ministry and your ex knows what the "Word" says, but they don't know the meaning and what in practice should be. The meaning and practice is simply "Love". Of course, that's the one most important thing that they never care to teach. To put a lot of legalism in a relationship or dictating what a relationship should be is anything but love. Like I said, If I pull the same crap on my girlfriend as what your ex did to you, my girlfriend will literally kick my foot even though I am bigger and stronger than her. Belle... Feel Free. Enjoy your freedom, you deserve it. Be more succesful than they are. Nothing infuriates them more if you're successful or if you're more successful than they are especially after you left them. As far as I'm concerned, these TWIts who abused you can all KISS YOUR foot. Best Regards.

Before '96 in Florida, it was something of a fun get-together. We could dress very casually. Attendance wasn't required. But then, starting in '96 (my last year there), we had to dress-up. Let's say the &$*# hit the fan. I really started to hate it and it wasn't until the last STS that I attended that I just have had it. It was in the home of my first TC. We were not live and Moneyhands orders us to stand up and clap like if we were in HQ. Say What??? Why do we need to do that when it's a phone-hookup and they cannot even see us? and Why do we need to dress-up especially when it's warm and humid? Why is attendance required all of a sudden??? Does God love us less if we dress up casually??? or if we don't attend because of some personal, professional or school commitments??? or if we don't stand up and clap when we're not in HQ??? Maybe the God that they worship is like that and we have an idea what God is that.

STL... I can tell you a third reason why people stay: FEAR. FEAR of losing what they have while "in" (like family and circle of friends.). FEAR of being blackmailed by a leadership who'll go at any length to dig up dirt or spread BS to tarnish a person's name, dignity and reputation. FEAR of the world outside the box as described by same leadership. Finally... the FEAR (that leadership place on everyone) that people who leave the ministry always have something terrible happen to them.

I guess his radar was jammed when he was caught with his pants down. I guess his radar was disabled when he got the boot from being the Prez. I guess his radar was down when he was served with a lawsuit. I bet his radar wasn't working when he got slapped silly for berating a fan at a bowl game in Orlando where his favorite college football team was getting its foot whooped. (Those who were there knows what I'm talking about).

I cannot imagine making a 4 to 6 hr drive for STS, then drive the same amount time to reach home really late and going to work the next day. It doesn't make sense, but since when did LCM say anything that made sense?

You got that right, Belle. Too bad it's too late for that person to tell it to the people that left the twig that person was coordinating.

I also agree. Belle really hit the bullseye on the topic. I admit that I was amond those who were fooled.