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I did believe in all that crap while still in and still taking all their ....s and mind games until I had enough when they started to give me a lot of grief, like their BS confrontation crap, which is nothing more than psychological, spiritual abuse. To me, that was enough, I do not need that ..... So, I plotted my own escape without them knowing. I left on my own accord and not giving them the satisfaction to apply their BS on me. Even with the belief of becoming a Greasespot, I didn't give a flying F**K: I'd rather be a greasespot and live free rather than live under their law.

Laura, Bienvenida al foro. Al parecer, muchos aqui no hablan el idioma espanol (Lo siento pero las teclas de mi computadora es para ingles por eso no tengo la enhe, ni puedo acentuar las letras). Para contestar su pregunta original, La Way International NO es la illuminati. Al contrario. El fundador de la Way estaba en contra de la Illuminati y ensenaba doctrinas que la Illuminati quiere conquistar al mundo. Muchos los participantes de este foro han sido parte de este culto (The Way International). Es una secta tiranica que quiere controlar las vidas de todos sus creyentes y seguidores. Ademas de ser bien hipocrita. Razones por las cuales tanto muchos aqui como yo nos salimos, espacamos y desasociamos de esta secta. En mi opinion (al igual que muchos aqui), The Way International es un Nido de Viboras y mi recomendacion es que tenga cuidado y piense varias veces antes de asociarte con ellos. Translation: Laura, Welcome to the forum. It seems that many here don't speak Spanish (I apologize that my computer keyboard is for English that is why I don't have a certain letter and I cannot accentuate letters). To answer your original question, TWI is NOT the Illuminati. To the contrary. TWI's founder was against the Illuminati and taught that the Illuminati is conspiring to conquer the world. Many of the people in this forum were part of this cult (TWI). It is a tyrannical sect that wants to control the lifes of all its believers and followers. Besides being hypocritical. Those are reasons for which many here like myself got out, escaped or disassociated from that sect. IMO (as well as the opinion of many here), TWI is a Vipers' Nest and I recommend you to be careful and think several times before you join them.

I think you're right. They are real hypocrites.

Let me think Not a darn thing. Oops. I misread the title. I thought it said what you missed the most. The only thing that I like the most, believe it or not, was the food.

What do I miss about TWI? Let's see what I can remember of TWI: 1) Waking up early every Sunday morning for fellowship. 2) Making time for twig meetings as it is mandatory. 3) Driving long distances for a class in the evening and arriving home late afterwards. 4) Getting chew out for some asinine reason. 5) Being told how to live my life. Hmmm... Nope. I don't think so. I don't miss anything about TWI. I've moved on to MUCH better things now that I've been out 10 years later. I am definitely not involved with an offshoot now and will never get involved. I can fricking wake up any time I want on Sunday and I don't have to put up with crap from a bunch of self-righteous morons. I am free and I live my life on my own terms.

Before Rosa-LIE, it was the 3 stooges. Now with more Vice-Presidents and a "special" assistant, it is Comedy Central.

I have to admit that Jesus Christ may not like how I expressed myself toward LCM, TWI and its people who affected me. All I can say is that I am human and I am sorry if I cannot forgive that ministry for what they have done. For me to do that, I have to hear them apologize straight from their mouths (like that will ever happen ).

I don't know. Last I heard is that she is married with kids and bitching on not buying house when she was parroting about the party line of not buying a house. What a hypocrite byatch!

Hey... he reaped what he sowed. He is not just a hollow man now. He is just a sorry excuse of a man.

I am a little open-minded today as I look at different beliefs (even as wacky as TWI's) and try to analyze and make sense out of them. In other words, I look at both sides of the story. I respect and try to respect other people's beliefs IMO, if something works well in your life, fine. However, I am not certainly open to people who try to shove their beliefs down my throat or start babbling that their lifestyle is better than mine. How do they know? Just because it works for them doesn't mean that it works for me. Just like I said in my intro, if I am asked if I believe JesusChrist is God, my response is and will always be: DOES IT MATTER? I am really and truly FREE 11 years after I left (escaped) from TWI. If I am M & A by them and by all their believers, I don't need them.

During my brief time with TWI (3 years), I did have some of the extreme thoughts that has been mentioned like rounding up and killing homosexuals, but believe it or not, my first TC really talked me out and discouraged me of thinking that way. I left because of a comment that my last TC made when she was dogging me for some stupidity. That comment did startle me when she said that she'll follow LCM to the end of the world. I guess the s#!t really hit the fan after the time I left ('96).

I was only in the ministry for 3 years. I never thought that they would go to the same extreme as Jonestown, but when the TC (Belle knows her) yelled at me that she'll follow LCM to the end of the world, that's when more red flags were raised in my mind and I decided that I had enough with this s**t of a ministry. To that TC (S** B****m*r*), I wonder how she's enjoying the ministry now that her idol is no longer the MOG.

What a deluded moron. Didn't do anything wrong??? HELLOOOOOO!!! Why did so many people leave the ministry? Why did so many people live in fear in the ministry? Why did so many people have ruined lives from total blind obedience to the ministry? How the mighty has fallen. Indeed he deserves it. Hey Martindale... What goes around, comes around. You reap what you sow. BTW, Martindale... Didn't you say that you are qualified to work as a CEO for Fortune 500 companies. What are you now, eh? Come on. Tell us honestly what are you now, eh? Remember lying is a sin so tell us truthfully what are you now, eh?

While on the subject of the Holocaust, I just found out that Holocaust Denial is a crime in Germany. See link: http://sports.yahoo.com/sow/news;_ylc=X3oD...uters&type=lgns I wonder if the President of Iran will be imprisoned (I doubt it) if confronted with questions about the Holocaust when hew'll be in Germany.

Then why are you even mentioning about the first Gulf War with the example of the Scud missiles? Were Scud missiles sent to Israel this time around? Why these evidences has not been shown a lot more? and Why several months later, it was revealed that the intelligence that gathered these evidences was faulty? NO... This warmonger wanted to find any excuse to invade Iraq and after 9/11, he and Cheney wanted and insisted that Iraq was involved in it. Now you're confusing the first Gulf War with the Second Gulf War (the invasion). BTW, if someone fires missiles at you, what will you do? So, Israel is not justified in firing Patriot Missiles at the Scuds directed at it? Is that what you're trying to say? Well... who is Mr. Zelikow? and put a link related to him.

SV... Thank you. My actions occurred 10 years ago this past March. For some lurkers, it will be difficult because they have family and some have put their whole lives in the ministry. The main thing and it is the best example of Spiritual Abuse that keeps a lot of people "in" is FEAR. That ministry implanted that FEAR of "Terrible things will happen to anyone who leaves TWI." 10 years ago, I reached a point that I didn't give a fly if something terrible will happen to me when I leave. So I left.

Then that article link you posted is totally bogus. Invaded way before 1991??? How would you know that? Let's see what happened before 1991, Iraq was embroiled in a war with Iraq. The US was supporting Iraq. Then, a couple of years later after that war is over, Iraq invaded Kuwait. What did the US did? Certainly not planning on invading Iraq. Have the WMDs been found yet? All that talk about invading Iraq to protect Israel or other countries in the region is nothing but a mask to the real reason: oil.

TWI won't do it because they don't allow independent thinking. They keep on spouting "be of one mind" or "be like-minded" (how I hate these terms). It is either accept their doctrines without question or take a hike and be shunned. To me, I decided enough is enough that I took a hike, not caring if I lost contact or if I become a "greasespot by midnight"

Let me add: All of that "NO DEBT" policy since '94 is nothing but a sham. While ideally, it's nice not to have any debts. They have to see what types of debts are worthwhile in the long run (mortgages, school loans, starting a business), but they didn't. It's all about filling their pockets. I feel the main reasons why they enforced the "HAVING A DEBT IS AGAINST GOD'S WORD" parroting are the following: a) Envy that some rank and file will gain more money than them ro-BOTs. b) The money going to pay a debt must be going to the ro-BOTs' pockets instead. c) Sell your possessions to pay-off your debts and send the rest of the money to the ro-BOTs. It is all about the Benjamins, peeps. With their greed, it's not surprise that they are forcing everyone to "NOT GOING IN DEBT".

Belle, Your ex reaps what he sowed. If he didn't give much contribution to the house equity, he doesn't deserve &$*#. However, what's done is done. Just don't give him any more $$ as he doesn't deserve it for all the &$*# that you've been through. If he's in the same dire predicament as many TWIts, well then... TOUGH!!! that is his prerrogative, not yours. Like I said, he reaps what he sowed and... don't give him any $$$... not even if he comes begging you and kissing your arse. Let him survive on his own and on his own life decision. Regards. FFC

...work till you die so that they can live in luxury for the rest of their lives. They are nothing but a bunch of conniving hypocrites .

If that were true, why didn't Bush Sr. do that after kicking Iraq out of Kuwait? With all these sanctions. Iraq was a lot less threatening to other countries after the first Gulf War.

More like he considers himself as the most knowledgeable man or the most know-it-all since he's the MOG

Yeah... Being intimidated and being told that horrible things will happen to you when you leave the ministry sure isn't a good way to hold someone mentally and spiritually captive. If you weren't held captive, then why did you leave? As for me, I left on my own accord. For the record, I wasn't kicked out. I didn't give them the pleasure of hauling my arse to a Kangaroo Court like they did to other people at the time. By the time I left, I didn't FU--C-K-ING care if I got killed in an accident because by then, I felt it was better off being dead than to live under the thumb of your dear F-U-C-K-I-N-G TWI ministry. NOW HOW'BOUT THAT FOR FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION: F-U-C-K THE WAY INTERNATIONAL AND THEIR LEADERS!!! NO KIDDING!!! Isn't Freedom Great? The irony is that there are more people in the world outside TWI that are Godlier and much more loving.

I second rascal and agree what Diazbro stated. We can get on and move on with our lives happily and peacefully IN SPITE of not forgiving people who has done us a lot of harm. I am perfectly happy as the TWI scums don't play any role in my life. Will I forgive them? YEAH... RIGHT! Will I forgive the last BC, TC and LC that I had? YEAH...RIGHT. Will I lose sleep over not forgiving them? YEAH...RIGHT. Will I wish them the best? YEAH...RIGHT. Like many of us here, I am much better off without the TWI... 10 years later. To me, the best way to get back at them is showing and let them know how succesful we are without them and that we are "blessed more abundantly" (how I hate that term) without them. In their sick minds, they say that our success and "abundant blessing" is "work of the adversary". I love to let them know that...YES, it is work of the adversary... the adversary of the TWI ministry... NOT the adversary of God. Like I said: "to each, their own."