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Very cool Abigail, Yeah, I bet many a mind has enjoyed discussing spiritual things. I think somehow that's why he God enjoys it when we get together. Shoot how can anyone believe all of the same things at the same time anyway. That's what makes it so cool to interact. Another fine day on the planet! Have a good one Abigail!

Thank you ChasUFarley for confirming that Allan was indeed in twi. It really doesn't matter is the point that I'm trying to make. I count all people the same no matter what they have done in the past if they want to discuss a subject or even look deeper into my life. And I am more then willing to handle anything in a manner of respect from both sides. To date I have been accused of many things that are simply untrue by Allan who has no knowledge of what he is accusing me of. He has also accused me and my friend and his wife of being in together with a plan to "recruit" followers into whatever he thinks Todd and his wife are doing. He has also accused me of being like Mike-our pfal Mike. And quite frankly that's a compliment compared to what Allan is doing. And my apologies to Mike for bringing his name into this discussion. Mike has more guts then Allan has because despite all the comments sent his direction he has at least half the time responded in a calm although condescending manner. And has been willing to state what he believes instead of not stating what he believes on the subject and going to a direct attack and lies about the person he is talking to. Allan has responded in straight out attacks against the character of myself and others who try to discuss and not attack as Allan continues to do, which is a weakness in his character and is hurtful to many who are having a decent conversation. People are discussing topics and he jumps in and accuses the posters of evil and being devilish or having a devil. And not only that Allan follows these posters to most every thread that throwing the subject of the thread in the ditch and changing the subject to personal attacks that have nothing to do with the subject. And I am all for the threads changing and shifting topics and getting into other subjects on the same thread. That is not what is happening. And I will tell you right now Allan you are wrong to change the subject of a thread to making it into an attack against anyone who posts when you have no evidence and no knowledge of the person you attack. Why don't you ASK the person if this is what you think or believe. I have seen only two people who have flat out lied on this forum, And one of them is Allan. And his lies are worse then the other because it a lot more personal and not based on anything but his own hatred instead of facts or even misunderstandings. Allan does not want to know what I believe and trys his best to stop me from speaking. And I confess that I would do the same IF I knew what I was talking about. And I have done this once and then let it go. I have not followed this poster around and harrassed him. ALLAN HAS AND IS STILL DOING IT. And doesn't even let the conversation go to where it can to get the point and points across and the many GREAT things that can be said by many. ALLAN can contribute many great things as well if he would really talk instead of attack the GOOD People of this forum-all of them!!!!!! ----------- Clay

And that is the problem here with you Allan. I have been and remain upfront with who I am and why I am here, yet you think different and that I'm either lieing or hideing something. Mayde you are just blind and stupid, maybe not, I don't care. But I have made my beliefs known far more then you have or have ever seen. And another thing, those who were not involved in twi are welcome here. Who are you to say that they are not. And you constantly accuse some here of not ever being in twi-whoopee - like ouch man that really hurts..haha. I would love to hear from people who were not involved in twi on a lot of these subjects. Speaking of subjects, why don't you start one on twi and what they taught you, I am beginning to doubt that you were ever involved directly and probably just got a hold of the books. Or just from readiong threads at this site. Since you constantly accuse many of not ever being in twi, I think three fingers are pointing at you!

I hope you are right Todd, I really do. I've seen it work well because of the good character of those involved. Not that I've seen it done much, but I've seen it help all involved regardless of personal beliefs. And I do think Jesus did this live. The sermon on the mount for one. It wasn't just him teaching but he went in with the people. Setting the stage so to speak with that short little power packed sermon.

Just to hear you talk Tom is a comfort to my soul. And not to take away anything that you said but that you have the guts to speak.

Bump for any who missed this. Yeah and no I'm not promoting myself.

I think it can still happen. But it would have to be outside of greasespot. Yahoo messenger is awesome.

Interesting how many are so brave to face what is not within. True courage is to take an honest look within and face it head on.

4And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord. My goal, and reached most of the time.

Back to the subject- Colossians 1 1Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timotheus our brother, 2To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. 3We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you, 4Since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus, and of the love which ye have to all the saints, 5For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel; 6Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth: 7As ye also learned of Epaphras our dear fellowservant, who is for you a faithful minister of Christ; 8Who also declared unto us your love in the Spirit. 9For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding; 10That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God; 11Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness; 12Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: 13Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 14In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: 15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 19For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; 20And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. 21And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled 22In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: 23If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister; 24Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church: 25Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God; 26Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: 27To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: 28Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus: 29Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily. Colossians 2 1For I would that ye knew what great conflict I have for you, and for them at Laodicea, and for as many as have not seen my face in the flesh; 2That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; 3In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. 4And this I say, lest any man should beguile you with enticing words. 5For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ. 6As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him: 7Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving. 8Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 9For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. 10And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: 11In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: 12Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. 13And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; 14Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 15And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. 16Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. 18Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, 19And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God. 20Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, 21(Touch not; taste not; handle not; 22Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men? 23Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body: not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh. Colossians 3 1If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. 2Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. 3For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. 4When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory. 5Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: 6For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience: 7In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them. 8But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth. 9Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds; 10And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him: 11Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all. 12Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering; 13Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye. 14And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness. 15And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful. 16Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord. 17And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him. 18Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord. 19Husbands, love your wives, and be not bitter against them. 20Children, obey your parents in all things: for this is well pleasing unto the Lord. 21Fathers, provoke not your children to anger, lest they be discouraged. 22Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God; 23And whatsoever ye do, do it heartily, as to the Lord, and not unto men; 24Knowing that of the Lord ye shall receive the reward of the inheritance: for ye serve the Lord Christ. 25But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done: and there is no respect of persons. Colossians 4 1Masters, give unto your servants that which is just and equal; knowing that ye also have a Master in heaven. 2Continue in prayer, and watch in the same with thanksgiving; 3Withal praying also for us, that God would open unto us a door of utterance, to speak the mystery of Christ, for which I am also in bonds: 4That I may make it manifest, as I ought to speak. 5Walk in wisdom toward them that are without, redeeming the time. 6Let your speech be alway with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man. 7All my state shall Tychicus declare unto you, who is a beloved brother, and a faithful minister and fellowservant in the Lord: 8Whom I have sent unto you for the same purpose, that he might know your estate, and comfort your hearts; 9With Onesimus, a faithful and beloved brother, who is one of you. They shall make known unto you all things which are done here. 10Aristarchus my fellowprisoner saluteth you, and Marcus, sister's son to Barnabas, (touching whom ye received commandments: if he come unto you, receive him;) 11And Jesus, which is called Justus, who are of the circumcision. These only are my fellowworkers unto the kingdom of God, which have been a comfort unto me. 12Epaphras, who is one of you, a servant of Christ, saluteth you, always labouring fervently for you in prayers, that ye may stand perfect and complete in all the will of God. 13For I bear him record, that he hath a great zeal for you, and them that are in Laodicea, and them in Hierapolis. 14Luke, the beloved physician, and Demas, greet you. 15Salute the brethren which are in Laodicea, and Nymphas, and the church which is in his house. 16And when this epistle is read among you, cause that it be read also in the church of the Laodiceans; and that ye likewise read the epistle from Laodicea. 17And say to Archippus, Take heed to the ministry which thou hast received in the Lord, that thou fulfil it. 18The salutation by the hand of me Paul. Remember my bonds. Grace be with you. Amen.

Deceit is in the heart of them that imagine evil: but to the counsellors of peace is joy A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things I've seen nothing but good from sirguessalot and nothing but evil from allan

Oh yeah!!! A big HI!!! to Kellie!!!! One day we will meet you and Todd. Better give me some time to cry a while though, when we first see each other face to face. Love Always and Forever

Thanks Tom, Certainly more compliments are needed here. Jesus was also a servant of God. Still is. And yes he is the example of faith. To give one's life for others. We do not have to endure the cross as Jesus Christ did. But we die in a like manner as the new is put on the old dies. And it is a real experience. And it doesn't happen all at once. This inner change that is talked about so much in the scriptures, when actually experienced these verses will make a lot more sense. Staying in the same mind patterns of the old prevents the new, because the old wineskin-thought patterns will break ones will to see the new. One only needs to know that they don't know and seek ask and look because once looking in different directions, new things will be seen. Fear stops most, fear of the unknown. Fear of losing something, but if you really have something you will not lose it. It will be more like the trees that are kept up that are good trees. And considering first because there is always choices. There are multiple ways of looking, because everyone is different. It's simple really, it has to be because we are so dumb. :) And no one will miss because it just keeps coming back around.

the vail has been ripped apart a clean cut with a lot of blood the door has been opened by the hand of God's servants they bore the heat of the day beheaded, tortured, imprisoned the Word of God thoughts and intents the sword is the Word hot as fire cool as ice separating relatives the relatives are thoughts not people in the mind systems upon system thought upon thought line upon line words upon words who holds the key who can straighten that which is crooked who can bend the unbendable who can break the unbreakable light to dark dark to light how is that light can shine out of darkness? we were told darkness is bad and devilish Why is there light in it? How can light be in darkness?

Someone asked for verses... 1 John4:4Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. 5They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. 6We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error. word searchs to do that help- in you within heart mind soul spirit

And I am the one who was taken to task by the moderators and I fully complied. You are the one Allan Alf that should be listening to what is actually said instead of what you think you are hearing. Your mind is blinded and heart is darkened yet there is light in there somewhere. God knows I'm not that motivated to help you see it. But I'm one of the hirelings that got a penny for working the last hour of the day.

Sorry to tell ya allan alf, twenty years in twi and you still look the same to me. It's your mouth that you will answer for. Over 6 years out and the new day has already dawned. Quite some time ago.

Not the song you are singing but that which is declared in God's Word. Of which you are quite unfamiliar with. The actual experience of the coming of Christ and not some theory based on speculation and preconceived notions by one VPW and his flat denial of the gospels, the old testament and the Revelation of Jesus Christ the Lord. Like it or not he is Lord and King. Some man will change this? HA, not likely or ever.,

And for allan alf I will rephrase what I said earlier- Allan, you post things that only a rotten bastard would post. Surely you aren't a rotten bastard, are you?

Anyways when was the first coming of Christ? That can give a lot of info on the so called second coming of Christ. If Christ came once the first time, when did he leave? Acts !? They-the two who were speaking said that you will see him come in like manner as you have seen him. 9And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. 10And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; 11Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven. Well just how far away was he taken up? 12Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. 13And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it. 15If ye love me, keep my commandments. 16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. 18I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. 19Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also. 20At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you. How much more and different is this "another Comforter"? And did it not happen to those Jesus said that would experience this?

And by the way allan alf your mouth sickens The Christ in You that is dead asleep. And you actually give me more strength then you know to accuse me of having a demon or more. They said the same about Jesus so I'm in good company. When you are ready to face yourself in the mirror of Christ what will actually die and change. Can demons be transformed into angels of light? Can Angels of light be transformed into demons? Experience this first hand and you may have a glimpse of what you talk about yet know nothing of.

Actually allan alf. Todd and I put our spiritual powers together and make crop circles all over the world. :) :) :)

hmmm start my own thread you say revvel? here's a few I have... http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.php?showtopic=9945 http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.php?showtopic=10383 http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.php?showtopic=10156 http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.php?showtopic=9792 You just might be surprised at what these people have here in this forum compared to others. Canarys in a coal mine so to speak it has been said here and from those encountering some of these members.

Wassup revvel? Can't handle fielding different views and perspectives? Are you so sold on your doctrine that Christ couldn't Come Now. Where in the Bible is the "Return" talked about? How many places is the word "return" used? Get your words right man, it's the coming. The entire Word of God including Daniel Isaiah and Thessolonians speaks of a present tense reality that can be experienced in the here and now. Sure, put it in the future and have nothing to prove. A thief in the night will be a surprise in the morning.

lol Tom, don't let alf's distractions distract you from the subject of the thread rock on....