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geisha779 last won the day on October 27 2013

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  1. Just a quick thought....in the gospels it does speak of many possessed and spirits were cast out of persons whose actions were controlled until deliverance.....if that doesn't mean possession as we understand the word in our vernacular......what does? Although, these were not believers they often became followers after their deliverance. We have clear examples in Jesus' ministry of what possesion means regardless of how the word is translated. I can give you a good blog that has many interesting things about Greek translation, nuance, and such if anyone is interested. http://www.teknia.com/ A
  2. I am one of those people that believe God is in control of everything and the whole creation.....the entire creation........ is in subjection to God's purpose because.... we can't thwart it. The creation includes Satan. Satan is a created being. God is eternal. Satan was required to ask God before he sifted Peter or before he challenged Job. Satan meant it for evil, but God used it for good. Much in the same way Paul turned someone out into the world so that the soul might be saved. This makes sense to me, as does a refining fire, but as for a Christian being possessed by the devil...... not s
  3. If God is in relationship to us, I don't believe we do define Him through intelligence alone. How smart would one have to be to know God? Is anyone that intelligent? That is what we did in TWI ....try to define God through the text with intellectual assent to a form of knowledge....... Knowing God is found in the relationship we have with Him. He is very able to reveal Himself ...... Read the Psalms if you are genuinely interested in what a relationship with God looks like. I don't understand what you mean by "contrived means" and not sure how you assume them when you seek to define God thr
  4. I think the simple answer is that God allowed it. . . . God allowed him to be there. Even Satan is in subjection to God. The question of why God allowed this brings up all kinds of interesting moral questions and I think how we consider and answer them reveals much about our understanding and relationship with God. These are good things to consider RottieGrrrl .... in my world anyway. There is much more to these accounts than just some life lesson in mythology. Where you might want to start is with God's attributes and character and ask yourself why He would allow this. The temptation is to
  5. Well, then, stop doing it. You say Paul was divorced, yet scripture never mentions Paul was divorced. He could have been widowed. We are not even 100% sure he had to be married and YES I know his resume and that he was a member of the Sanhedrin. However, we may not know all the particulars of Paul's experience with the Sanhedrin. We do know he had a nephew and a sister because scripture tells us plainly. All Paul is saying here in this passage is that he could be married if he wanted to....why is that so difficult to see as it is fairly plain and straight forward. This passage has nothing to d
  6. I think one really has to read into the scriptures with a skewed reasoning to deduce Paul might have been a womanizer and although it is true all of us are sinners....Paul did say he had lived in a clean conscience before God and all the Church. I agree with Skyrider when he says "WOW" really just wow. I am gobsmacked. I would say that kind of reading of scripture reveals more about the person who puts it forth than it does the Apostle Paul. Impugn Paul's character so VP doesn't look so bad in comparison? Paul in all likely hood gave his life for the gospel and he was who Jesus hand select
  7. I don't know....I don't excuse or forgive their behavior.....I don't actually believe that is sound. Their behavior is wrong and wrong on a deeply insidious level. Wrong is wrong and they are not my brothers or sisters or "Uncles" who have come to me and repented. I don't think their behavior has or will harm my heart as long as I understand right from wrong. But, if forgiveness is about therapeutic relief for a confused heart ..... yeah that is self-centered. Were not talking about a passing transgression but about people who lead others to destruction....if scripture is to be believed. Ye
  8. When this topic pops up here it usually leaves me scratching my head in wonder and a little confused.....if it is a biblical perspective people are after they should consider the biblical responses in scripture to the false teachers of the day. There is some seriously harsh and damming language and I guess we could could accuse Peter, Paul, Jude and others of being bitter or we could consider scripture unforgiving. False teachers are people actively working to separate people from Jesus Christ. Leave them alone. That is what the bible tells us. Minimizing who they are and what they do...is sin
  9. I am sorry you feel jumped on, but I don't believe that is anyone's intent or anyone here wants to make you feel bad......if I have....I am truly sorry. It is great that you can check an experts work, especially in things like Greek translations of scripture as it is a very nuanced and difficult language.....but I do not have that kind of training. I can't claim that. All I can do is learn as I go while being aware of my limitations. I think you would agree that there is nothing wrong with learning and then applying that knowledge to study. Being aware of common exegetical mistakes made in w
  10. I am not sure how this little side topic became controversial .....but, it is probably in the same way my post was translated into bible study is wrong and leaning on experts is akin to blindly following a leader. I would hope that we have had some personal growth since TWI and are able to use sound judgement and discernment in our association to teachers. I assume most of us know that there is more to bible study than word studies. Lexicon's, an interlinear, concordance and most bible dictionaries are great tools when used correctly,(for many, Kittle is to be avoided) but there are seve
  11. I hear ya.... Scripture is full of concepts....and concepts convey meaning....and concepts are not usually found in single words. Most words themselves have no theological meaning assigned to them.....it is how they are used and in what context that conveys the meaning to us. Language often has more than one way to convey the same meaning, but subtle nuances can change the meaning within a certain context. Treating individual words as concepts can be limiting. Assigning individual words theological meaning can be misleading IMO. What do I know? I need people trained in a language to
  12. Well, if I used the Hebrew my lame attempt at irony would be lost wouldn't it? I was making a point about taking one word and assigning it a specific meaning. It would be arrogant in the extreme for me to think I could work with the Greek or the Hebrew as I have very little training in either language. These languages are too nuanced for the novice. It took me five years to learn enough French to be considered fluent and still no one was going to hire me as a translator as I still had not mastered the language. One class a semester did not make me an expert. Despite our practice and hubri
  13. Since Poythress is being discussed I thought I would post this critique.... http://teampyro.blog...orta-gifts.html I am not familiar with the author, but I am very familiar with the site Pyromaniacs. If you like reading Spurgeon you have probably already visited their page. If I am remembering correctly, Phil Johnson, who contributes heavily to the site, was once caught up in the Pentecostal movement. He has since moved on and has spoken about his involvement in a moving testimony if anyone is interested in looking for that bit. I think the testimonies of deliverance from the Pentecostal mov
  14. Phileo and agape can often be used interchangeably.......Amnon's relationship with his sister Tamar .... incestuous relationship. . . . is considered agape love. Guess we wouldn't want to encourage that operation of it.
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