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Rascal How do you know I never met him? I first met him in 1973 at the end of my first PFAL class at a camp in NY. Spent some time with him a year later, at a CFS camp. Spent some time with him again in 1978, at an advanced class. Spent an entire month with him in 1984, on a motorcycle trip across the country and back. MO I also think his teaching on tithing in CSBP was false, but I don't label someone a false teacher based on some false teachings, what I do is weigh everything, true and false teachings. I think his teachings were more true than false. As I recall, he said in 1976 that the commies would take over if we didn't get the word over the usa. Don't know and wouldn't surmise anything else about it, but calling someone a false prophet based on that one example is weak. I never said everything he taught was true...

Hi Mo, I can't help interpret the relentless condemnation of Wierwille by some as anything but hatred of the man. Come on let's face it, some folks hate his guts. He's the evil monster, worse than Frankenstein or Adolph. Yeah, and most of those folks are the ones who never post. Good point, and I'd say that's right if Wierwille were still alive, doing evil. But Wierwille's dead. He doesn't continue to do wrong and doesn't refuse to admit wrong and doesn't continue to hurt others, because he's dead. If he was still alive, I'd understand and your point is well taken.

Nothing Oakspear. Just trying to inject a little humor. I forgot to wink. ;)-->

OK, so what are you complaining about then, huh?

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TO ALL WIERWILLE HATERS: Grizzy is correct. Please begin your threads on evenings (after 5:00 pm.) and weekends so that you may enjoy unabated and uninterrupted Wierwille condemnation. Thanks.

You're both assuming that a person's evil works, or sins, defines them as a false prophet and that's the end of the story. That's your belief, your opinion. how does anyone know Wierwille's good works were motivated by evil? are you the Amazing Kreskin?

Tom, and when one takes all the evidence, both good and evil into consideration, what may one conclude?

The very first verse kills your thesis. You're saying Dr. was a false prophet and teacher? No way. He taught folks the exact biblical teaching on how to come to God thru Christ, our lord and saviour, and other biblical goodies. And when did Wierwille ever deny Jesus Christ? Again, I would suggest that when all you focus on, all you deem that has any meaning, is a person's evil deeds, you come to irrational and biased conclusions.

Hi Pat, I dug up all the Way Mags. from December 1972 which was my earliest all thru the end of 1974. Also looked in some from 1975 and 1976. Not there. Judging from Raf's quote, it sounds like something that would have been said well before 1973. Sorry I couldn't be of more help. Question: as part of the lawsuit, can't you get TWI to produce all of the pre-1976 Way Magazines?

Evan, let's not forget that Dr. Wierwille learned from men of God scattered across the continent. That means his teachings should be understood in that light. There's still lots of goodies in PFAL and other Wierwille books, despite his inappropriate conduct.

Yes Pat that helps a little. I'll see if I can dig up what you're looking for.

Can you be more specific?

Apatheia Unbelief I refuse to travel 1 1/2 hours to go to church.

Then theres .... We Like The Subs

OR THIS

Here's another $$$ sale, sadness for those who threw away their set... PFAL books

Oakspear, I'll take a stab at why. I think two reasons: political and financial. Victor Paul Wierwille"By The Way" -- St. Mary's Evening Leader Sept. 26, 1980 I would add that another reason why he had these books was religious, wanted us to know or at least be aware that the Jews are not "God's Chosen People" and that even the Jews must go through Jesus Christ to come to the Father ...

laleo, thanks for your thoughtful assessment, and your realization that what i said isn't, or wasn't meant to be, blame-shifting.

Wonder 1, I don't think I'd have a problem going to a local fellowship if there were one by me. But I think the closest one to me is around 1 1/2 hours away. Too far. If I went to check it out, I wouldn't send money to hq, but I'd be happy to contribute fine coffee and twinkies.

Thanks Oakspear.

As I remember I too was in bed, and a family member called me from hq, saying Dr had died. I then called my tc, who already knew about it since she was corps. I'm glad he was there to teach God's Word. I have a greater understanding and appreciation of the bible; and some things just make a whole lot more sense than what I was previously taught. Principally three things I guess: salvation by grace, Jesus Christ is not God, and dead are not alive now. He was also a man who did harm to folks, as we all know. I think of him as a Christian man who did both good and evil. I think he realized this, and put on his gravestone sort of a self-deprecating reminder for everyone to see and remember. I see God having mercy on him, as on all of us.

Oakspear, I don't think I ever tried carp so I can't even be full of it. How do you get italics in your quote, buddy?

But why would you want to hang out with anyone from twi now, anyway? you think they're involved in a never changing, mind controlling, abusive cult that you have nothing but contempt for, right? (please correct me if I'm wrong, I wouldn't want to falsely accuse you of anything, thereby lying). maybe they realize things aren't the same between you, don't want to argue with you and just figure it's best to move on?

Thanks Steve. The italics didn't work, that's ok.