oldiesman

I'd like to see Larry receive his full posting privileges back. Any comments?

No. But because of most of the women consenting; it facilitated his adultery. They participated in it, helped it along, encouraged it, gave it wings. Desiring to "bless the man of God". Mrs. Wierwille --- I suppose she could have blasted the whole thing wide open; don't know why she didn't other than remaining silent for the sake of the entire ministry staying afloat. I'd bet my last dollar that she believed the ministry was of God and didn't want the ministry to be blamed.

I believe that too. What I was taught in all my time in twi has nothing to do with heinous actions of Wierwille or anyone else.

It is my understanding that Larry's posts are getting screened, monitored, before they appear. This happened as I understand it, because the moderators thought that Larry was engaging in personal attacks. If my suspicion is correct, Larry would like to be treated like every other poster here, with no double standards. i.e, if he gets monitored because of personal attack, then other posters who engage in personal attack, should also be monitored. or, since other posters engage in personal attack and their posts are not getting monitored before they appear, neither should Larry's. Seems fair to me...

Groucho, you and others are correct, I am not a spokesman for all men and should not have written that. My apologies to all, for the blanket statement "any guy who disputes this is either lying or gay." Sorry, please forgive. Although I'd like to discuss this topic of "male sexual nature" in the future. I think it would be profitable. But right now its just seems too controversial and I can do without all the personal attacks and vitriol. Hopefully will start a thread on it in the future and maybe it can be reasonably discussed. :)

I define young women as adult women , as in twi when they had sex with Wierwille. Am not talking about kids. This may be just too controversial for some folks, so striking back is their only option, it would seem. OK, I guess I'll just have to abandon this thread if this topic can't be discussed without personal attacks.

They say Viagra works for some women too. But no, its not ok for a Christian minister to commit adultery, even if he did that as a gesture to loosen someone up sexually. I am not talking about behavior, I am talking about fantasy and the male sexual desire. Maybe your husband and sons never told you their innermost thoughts and desires, did that ever cross you mind?

A real Dr. would tell me I'm a normal man. Can't you discuss the issue without resorting to personal attacks and character assassinations? Danny, so you do not fantasize about young women, ever? Be honest now -- its nothing to be ashamed of. Its part of who we are as American males.

I suspect Solomon didn't have to drug women; he was the King and could have any woman he wanted. He was the King and women flocked to him; just like they flocked to Wierwille. Like some kind of a rock star. I don't know why he had to use drugs though; he had all the women without them. That was wrong for sure. But maybe he did it just to loosen them up? You know the uptight ones. I never tried it, but I heard that some of these date rape drugs enhance the sexual desire. Sort of like a sexual aid. BTW most if not all men fantisize about young women. That is a fact of nature and any guy who disputes this is either lying or gay.

Hello folks. :) Writing to you directly from the bosses computer now. :) I hope everyone had a nice weekend and truly hope we can discuss some issues this week without all the personal attacks.

Sounds almost like a George Carlin plagiarism. :) Happy Weekend, one and all!

This is one of those nebulous grey areas that is wide open to debate. Is this a human life or "potential" human life. Is this life or potential life a blessing from God, if it was possibly conceived in sin? (adultery, fornication) Does this life or potential life have a soul? ******************* We know TWI's perspective that the fetus is potential life that doesn't have a soul. From that perspective, it wasn't yet a human life taken. We were in TWI for years and that was the situation. We assented to it and agreed with it then, that was what we agreed to and believed. This is one reason why I believe the leaders who encouraged women to keep their commitment to the Corps program, were not doing evil by that. They should not be condemned.

Tom, for purposes of this discussion on oaths, we need to define our terms to make sure we are on the same page. Perhaps we can save this for next week, but its getting awefully close to the end of the day, and its FRIDAY, and you know what that means. :)

I still believe its the right way to go, and biblical, even though it may be used against someone if they fail to live up to that standard. Golly, it isn't manipulation to expect someone to keep their word.

How do you define "wrong"? One persons "wrong" may not be another persons "wrong". Difficult to answer these questions as they can go different ways depending upon the facts of a situation and the heart and mindset of the person making the commitment or swearing the oath. I'll get back to you on that. :)

Oh yes, that was never disputed by me. Which was why I questioned Marsha's return to his motorcoach the next day. I don't know, seems like she was just looking for trouble and possibly encouraged additional abuse. Who knows?

It doesn't exonerate him. But I still think its possible that many women wanted to have sex with him as well, and that fact could have just possibly encouraged him right along. BTW Doojable, thank you for not attacking me. :) It's good to just read a calm post.

What the Hey will you please cite your sources. My only ally on this thread is getting hammered.

Well Rascal, that is your impression. But if you are saying that that was everyone's impression, I would disagree with you. you can't speak for everyone. I know folks (myself included) who were not told or ever had that impression. "if you leave the Corps, you will get possessed and die" I don't know Rascal.

All men are born with a sexual predatory nature. One of Dr. Wierwille's problems was that he allowed that nature to get the better of him at various times in his life. They were excesses; but not quite as bad I think as Solomon's excesses who had 700-1000 wives. Maybe Wierwille's problem was he was born in the wrong time period? Maybe if he had been around in Solomon's time, or other times when men had many many wives, he wouldn't have been hassled so much by some posters.

It has not been challenged by me that VPW bore responsibility when he allegedly raped women. I never challenged that point. He does.

That would depend on the heart and mindset of the person making the commitment.

Wordwolf, In practical terms, what then are you saying the Word of God says? Taking a four-year oath to complete the corps program is ungodly? wrong? How about taking an oath when one pledges alliegence to the Flag, and to the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands? Is that wrong or ungodly, according to the bible? ******************* Larry, are you back?

Lifted Up, I'm willing to have a high level of debate, but when dealing with debaters who consistently engage in distracting personal attacks and character assassinations against me, I try to add a little humor once in a while. In my thread to Dave, I tried to be somewhat humorous and I hope some folks took it that way. But I AM sending him his $5.00! :)

You mean they didn't inform you that you were signing up for a four-year commitment? Well I must tell you Rascal, I definitely got that impression when I signed up.