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It was "pure soft vanilla ice cream" otherwise "the deliverance wouldn't have been there". Ye shall know them by their fruits. Deliverance is deliverance. I keep asking myself why folks hung around twi for so long; and the same answer keeps coming along. ...

Thank you my friend Dan. Lou Rawls was such a good entertainer. I'm gonna miss using his icon.

I never bought the idea that we received deliverance DESPITE twi. Doesn't make too much sense to me. It's like, yesterday I went for soft vanilla ice cream at Carvel and I ate soft vanilla ice cream despite Carvel.

Jean, thanks for sharing. My Mom had a similar experience; she went to twig for a whole year before taking the class. No high pressure sales, and much enjoyment and blessings at twig.

Tonto said they were sold out to a ministry "rather than" the Lord. She can't know that unless she knows the heart of a person and the person's own commitment to the Lord. Only God the searcher of hearts knows. That is why it seems like a condecending and smug statement. Even in twi, one may be intensely committed to both a job and the Lord at the same time, depending on the heart and mindset of the person making the decision.

This further proves Johniams point that he didn't teach "all believing equals all receiving", as if when your mind believes *POOF* you automatically receive. There were Godly rules / stipulations / conditions in play. This is the way he taught it and it was taught in the greater context of "how to receive from God" i.e. a Godly not an atheistic context.

You are welcome RainbowsGirl :)

He didn't. There were exceptions, the most notable being "what is available"... i.e. "You cannot receive something if it is not available"....

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Blanket putdowns like this, a one-size-fits-all remark should be challenged. Not only because it seems condescending and smug but also because it may be inaccurate. I would challenge it, and say that one may be sold out to a ministry AND sold out to Jesus Christ, all at the same time. Look at what the Word says; You see , one may be a servant of a master (twi) and a servant of the Lord all at the same time. It all depends on the mindset of the one making the decision.

I didn't say it was true nor do I believe it. All I said was that he was/is hated and was thought of as the Antichrist. Don't believe me, check this out : 666

I trow not. I really wish that were true, but any politician especially one with presidential aspirations, will be labelled as anti-Semitic who dares to threaten the continuous flow of $billions from U.S. to Israel.

Dr Wierwille said on numerous occasions "its not what VP Wierwille says, but what does the Word say." He made that quite clear; so simple, that a fool need not err therein.

I think the U.S. is shelling out way way too much over the years. Rampant Big Government Spending is not good for the U.S. taxpayer. Here's an excerpt from the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs:

There are people who hated Ronald Reagan and would compare him to the Antichrist. I worked with one of them. One time, she told me that Reagan was the Antichrist, and she believed it! She said one reason was "because just look at his name, it represents 666". R-O-N-A-L D = 6 W-I-L-S-O-N = 6 R-E-A-G-A-N = 6

I have to disagree on that one Dan. There's an abundance of information, especially for someone who longs to know that "The Word of God is the Will of God". I have a tremendous abiding respect for the bible and its characters because of VP's classes. VP does a great job teaching with enthusiasm on that one point alone.

Thanks for that information Mike. I would add that in addition to all this VP didn't like the idea of the U.S. sending billions of $$$ to Israel every year .

Yes I see that. It didn't bother me, being a salesman for PFAL , seeing it contained many wonderful truths about God and Jesus. I think about what the Word says about "whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is preached, and therein I rejoice"... I thought it was (and still is!) a decent starting point. Wouldn't it be great if PFAL was on internet free of charge.

For me the following came to pass: Makes Life Meaningful Explains Apparent Bible Contradictions Develops More Harmony in the Home Enables You to Separate Truth from Error Teaches How to Pray Effectively The other claims came to pass but not necessarily from PFAL, so I don't count those.

Yeah but I thought the Proverbs of Solomon is the Word of God and the Word of God is truth? You know, Holy Men of God Spake as they were moved by the Holy Spirit? That a little bigger than "generally true" wouldn't you think?

Go to now Skyrider, its FRIDAY. Live and let live. :)

And if the Way ministry hated Jews, I wouldn't have hung around for 19 years. Folks I fellowshipped with, and folk who I studied with and under, came from Jewish heritage.

You are entitled to your opinion but if VP were actually anti-Semitic he wouldn't have welcomed Jews to the ministry. IF he were anti-Black, he wouldn't have welcomed blacks. Politically speaking, I think that label is thrown around way too much and is used as a pretext to keep the billions flowing to Israel. Politicians are deathly afraid to be labelled that way so they just shut up and go with the program.

Its stoopid to think that folks should abandon spiritual truths that are assimilated believed and received only because of the sins of the communicator. The guy who authored Proverbs, Ecclesiastes and Song of Solomon, caused people to worship other gods and sacrifice their living babies to these false gods. People who want to continue to read and learn from these texts are stupid?

I would say that the ideas and images are pretty much the same. Jesus said "believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them"; "give, and it shall be given unto you" etc etc. I can't say it was a law that works like gravity; but a spiritual law, one that works, if one meets the conditions that God has asked. But its not like gravity because it is a spiritual law and might not be readily apparent or manifested like a physical law. In my mind, I substitute the word "law" for "truth". It is a spiritual truth. To me, the important thing is whether it is true or not, not whether it is a law or not.