oldiesman

The bible does say we now see through a glass darkly. But when we see him face to face, we will know, as we are known. I'm looking forward to it.

Not to me. I love it. Helps to keep the thread counts up. ;)

Applies to all Christians, twi, and including former twi, to twi.

Jesus said "my father is greater than I". He Jesus made available the opportunity for me to speak with God the Father, directly, via holy spirit born within. Why is it so important that I must ask Jesus and direct my prayer to Jesus? If you do that, that's your belief and I have no quarrel with it. But why can't one just ask God in Christ's name and that be satisfactory? Does Jesus have a problem with that?

Absolutely, via Holy Scriptures and Holy Spirit! :)

Another Dan, are you saying that if someone does not talk with Jesus daily, they have not made him Lord?

Another Dan, according to the previous verses given by T-Bone, Jesus said that he would send another comforter, the holy spirit, that would do the teaching and counselling. Seems to me that means a Christian's communing means directly with God. Jesus, through his death resurrection and ascension made it available for us to commune with God Himself directly via the holy spirit, born within us. I have thanked both God and Jesus for this.

Your lifestyle is not plainly stated in the gospels. I read the above verses, it says "the counselor the holy spirit" .... "will teach you and remind you..." Seems to me you are communing with God who is Holy Spirit... I don't see any teaching instruction or detailed explanation of specific daily communing with the man Jesus or resurrected Christ. Haven't seen any detailed teaching instructions like that in the book of Acts or Epistles let alone the Gospels. I would think such a specific lifestyle of talking with Jesus and him talking with you (which seems to be the cornerstone of some Christians beliefs) should be spelled out in scripture. But but BUT if that is the way you see it when you pray and commune with Jesus, and that's what you want to do, I'm not quarreling with you. To each his own. But I deeply question when twi and offshoots and those who SIT and give thanks and prayers well with their understanding in the name of Jesus Christ, are labelled as somehow being deficient in honoring Christ or understanding his immense greatness. I think its a bum rap.

You are funny Bumpy. Have a nice evening. :)

I still believe it, but I'm not stressing anyone else's beliefs about it or condemning or disparaging anyone if they don't do it. In contrast, an assertion has been made of a "personal relationship and communing with Jesus" and that PFAL and twi was wrong and/or deficient with this part of Christianity. I think that assertion should be thoroughly explained because I think its a bum rap otherwise.

I don't even know why SIT should be mentioned here. One thing has nothing to do with the other. Assuming you don't want to speak in tongues, no problem. It is a spiritual manifestion but if some feel its not a language or not worth doing, then that's their belief. I believe different, but folks are entitled to believe what they will. But an assertion has been made of a "personal relationship and communing with Jesus" and that twi was wrong and/or deficient with this part of Christianity. I'd like to explore that and see if the assertion is true, and can be explained because at this point its all gobbledygook to me. I think you should try to explain it in detail from the scripture, otherwise you shouldn't expect folks who respect the scriptures to follow or believe what you say, and you certainly shouldn't condemn or disparage twi and others for not doing something you can't really explain.

Golly, all the knowledge of his importance to modern Christianity I can read from the bible, it's revelation already given. As far as wanting Jesus to be a part of my personal walk, if it's available it sounds great but you still haven't explained what exactly you're talking about. I don't get "the personal walk with Jesus" thingy. It should be explainable, no? Does Jesus , the man Christ Jesus talk to you? What does he say?

Language experts told you that speaking in tongues was gobbledygook but Jesus didn't! Interesting. :)

Wow. So then prayer and the giving of thanks to God in the name of Jesus Christ doesn't work? Folks must pray to Jesus first who will then convey the message to God? You know, I can't believe former twi folks actually believe this.

So now your disparaging speaking in tongues too? Did Jesus tell you it was gobbledygook?

I'm beginning to think that this "personal communing and relationship with Jesus" thing may be nothing more than spiritual gobbledygook. If you can't at least explain it, or explain how that would differ from a relationship or prayer to God, then you shouldn't condemn or disparage folks who might not participate in it.

What difference does it make? I like to know that when I pray, I know who I'm praying to. I like to know that if I receive communication in return, who exactly it is who is communicating with me.

In other words, the benefits transcend things like money.

Mr. Hammeroni, I understand what you mean but you must remember that many of the benefits of having faith are in the spiritual realm, that may not necessarily have physical manifestations like money.

Wordwolf I think you could be misrepresenting twi position here. I remember "spoudazo" from the collateral reading "Study be Diligent", so yes, that was taught in twi as well. I think the key of this verse is "rightly dividing the Word of truth"; when we do that we have the true word and in that work, are approved of God. God approves of that work, that effort. Rightly dividing the word of truth is an important thing for us to do, so important that it meets with God's approval of us.

Thanks Johniam. I think that's a legitimate question but actually that wasn't what I was thinking; what I thought was, "how do you know you're not communing with the Holy Spirit, or God; instead of Jesus?? How do you distinguish between them when communing? Is there a difference in how or what they each communicate? Another question; isn't God big enough to reveal his heart to you Himself? Since we now have holy spirit... why would God require Jesus to explain his Father's heart to you when the Father Himself can explain it directly to you via the Holy Spirit?

How?

Well at least you admit that it was God's holy spirit and not a counterfeit.

Not sure if I can agree with that. We know the teachings were not original, but the actual fellowship ministry and work were. Far as I can tell, B.G. Leonard, Stiles, Bullinger, et al. didn't run or coordinate anything that twi took from or copied.

Actually according to PFAL, VP taught that the Word of God he was speaking of was the Word as it originally came when holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. The statistic I offered is my opinion. But my mind is open to hearing new views and Waysider, you haven't answered my previous question about Jesus and folks' possible relationship with him that wasn't taught in TWI? Since you assert this idea, I think it's incumbent upon you to explain what you mean so folks like me can learn where twi was possibly wrong or deficient.