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"Note the number of threads we have on this forum debunking Mormon claims about pre-Colombian American history." Nada......."Nada" stinkin' one....heh.

BREAKING NEWS He wasn't really a Dr. (It will just be our little secret.)

Step outside the box for a moment and ask "What if?". What if this was some book other than the Bible, some ancient secular text. And, what if, instead of speaking in tongues, the matter being examined was a ritual requiring some sort of physical activity? How would that change your opinion on the matter?

None of this explains the contradiction between Acts and Corinthians. "No man understands" and yet they did.

My apologies. I read it too fast and took it out of context, completely changing the meaning.

"I learned in PFAL to seriously consider that your argument might be right" You learned that in PFAL?? It would appear your experience was quite different than mine, especially session #5.

A soft answer turns away wrath.....Proverbs 15:1 (one of the retemories) It doesn't always work but it's usually a good starting point.

If I may, I'd like to tweak this just a bit. If you join/follow a cult, knowing or ignoring its true nature, you are responsible for your words, actions , decisions and emotions. If your involvement is the result of deception, the deceivers must share in the responsibility.

We had a similar conversation HERE.

"However, in fairness to what is truth and what is fiction, the research fellowship at TWI (at least in the initial years of its formation) did display a reasonable amount of openness and tolerance to "new thoughts" and ideas." There is someone who posts here who was part of that. Perhaps she'll offer a response if this thread should catch her eye.

Everyone takes away something different from the story. The big thing I take away from it is the blatant hypocrisy of Wierwille vowing to never preach another negative. Once we got past the basic classes and committed to one of the training programs, we were guaranteed to hear all the negative directives we could ever imagine or want.

"am I a lemon?" I'm pretty sure you're not a lemon. Do you look like this?

I don't think I expressed my point very clearly here. My point was that perhaps Paul was doing the same thing we did, mistaking glossolalia for what is described in Acts. Is that clearer? I hope so.

Lewis Carroll (1832-1898) from Through the Looking Glass Jabberwocky 'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves Did gyre and gimble in the wabe: All mimsy were the borogoves, And the mome raths outgrabe. "Beware the Jabberwock, my son! The jaws that bite, the claws that catch! Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun The frumious Bandersnatch!" He took his vorpal sword in hand: Long time the manxome foe he sought– So rested he by the Tumtum tree, And stood awhile in thought. And, as in uffish thought he stood, The Jabberwock, with eyes of flame, Came wiffling through the tulgey wood, And burbled as it came! One, two! One, two! And through and through The vorpal blade went snicker-snack! He left it dead, and with its head He went galumphing back. "And hast thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!" He chortled in his joy. 'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves Did gyre and gimble in the wabe: All mimsy were the borogoves, And the mome raths outgrabe. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We don't know what it means. We do know, however, it has an organized structure.....verbs, nouns, adverbs, adjectives. It may be a nonsense language, but it is, in the end, a language.

"(it is an art, NOT a science)" If this is art, are we drawing conclusions?

It wasn't simply a matter of him not stopping it. He instigated and perpetuated it. The overlords who followed were less skilled in disguising it.

Hello, Roy This sort of thing typically belongs in the doctrinal forum as it does not directly relate to the workings of The Way. (The Way already assumes the answer.) That being said, I noticed the timer said it is over 2 hours long. That's probably a bit longer than I would personally care to invest in a video. Thanks for taking the time to post it, though.

Well, you really should, you know. Now that you're aware, you really have no other choice.

"Paul very plainly states in I Cor. 14 that he spoke in tongues "more than ye all." Yet, there is no mention of him doing so in Acts." Is it possible he wasn't doing the same thing they were doing in Acts? Maybe this misunderstanding of what it is goes back farther than we suspected.

People in abusive domestic relationships get these types of questions, too. It doesn't excuse what happened, it shifts the blame. "did it originate with him?" Yes, I believe it did. If you stick around here long enough to get a comprehensive, objective understanding of how "the ministry" evolved, you begin to see that it was corrupt from its very beginnings.

Spirituality is a perception of reality upon which people base their beliefs and subsequent actions. (Whether spirits actually exist is a whole separate issue.) When someone exploits or abuses the (spirituality type) perception of others, they are committing spiritual abuse, thus negatively affecting the lives of those holding the perceptions. edit: Perception abuse might be a more accurate term but it's too nebulous to grab anyone's attention.

"Do you ascertain that when you SIT their must be folk present to understand the SIT?" No, I ascertain maintain that, when or if you speak in tongues, it should do what speaking in tongues did in the Bible, which is produce a language. It should have form and substance like a genuine language. Whether someone can specifically identify it or not is a moot point. "SIT is not a TWI exclusive thing - get over it, SIT existed before twi and will exist, well, until now." I'm not sure why or where you got the idea I thought it is. The glosssolalia style SIT we practiced in The Way is done by Christians and Non-Christians outside The Way and even existed before Christianity itself.

Loathing the Overlords That would have made a good title for a sequel to Athletes of the Spirit.

Fascinating. Acts 2 says they spoke languages that others understood yet I Cor 14:2 says no man understands.