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Some of the earlier studies involved observing people in an ecstatic state while they spoke in tongues. They drew an erroneous correlation. In The Way, we spoke in tongues under much different circumstances. Maybe that's why we find the comparison somewhat offensive. Aside from the circumstances and presentation, though, I think the actual speaking in tongues is the same for both examples.

My impression of the way he's drawing distinctions is that he's referencing the same thing, presented in different contexts. (T-speech is not different from free speech, it's the same thing in a different setting.)

According to Way Theology, messages brought forth in believers meetings were never supposed to involve anything that specifically referenced the future. They were supposed to be general in nature. With that in mind, consider this. Instead of having mannies, you pause briefly to give the group some general words of encouragement. It goes something like this: Twig leader>>waysider, would you bring forth some encouragement? waysider>>>>>Hey fellas, keep your chins up. Everything's gonna be cool. Well, of course you might think, "What does he know? He's just some punk kid who eats Moonpies and drinks Nehi Soda!" But, change the source of the same message and it might sound like this.... "My precious children, despair not, for I, the Lord thy God, will keep thee safe." ............................................................................................ There's a point in all that but I don't think I'm doing too well at expressing it.

Have you ever heard a TIP that wasn't "accurate"? (I use that term loosely.) It couldn't, logically, have been a genuine interpretation of the tongue. Likewise, it couldn't have been a genuine prophesy, for obvious reasons. So, what options are we left with?

I don't think I was implying you should write off the entire Charismatic Christian movement. I was explaining how I perceive a connection between what we were hearing in those believers meetings and how it influenced/enforced our thinking. It happened in group settings, on an individual level. (group reinforcement of modified self awareness)

It's like a boot camp you can never graduate from.

When angels have believers meetings, do they speak in English?

Next topic of discussion: Stretched Coffee: Real or just a cruel hoax?

I was in a believer's meeting once where a guy from Kansas gave a word of prophesy to a roomful of unemployed believer hippie type folks. It went something like this: "My little children, cut your hair and get jobs!" Now, at least I know THAT one was "right on".

Yeah, magnetrons. I've made myself quite a collection of tool holders by stripping out the magnets. I must have one for every tool I own and then some. Maybe I'm stockpiling them for the next lifetime.

Maybe I was a Chia Pet....or two...Yes, that's it, I was two Chia Pets!

We've talked about tongues of men, tongues of angels, ancient tongues, encoded tongues. One possibility that has eluded us is that they might be tongues of the future. You know? You hear a joke on late night TV but it doesn't sink in. Next morning you wake up, smack your forehead and say, "OOOOH!, now I get it!" :B)

You're assuming those messages were genuine. Quite a stretch, based on what we've been discussing. But, no matter. Suppose we call it "group reinforcement". Would you be more open to consider that possibility?

Communal self delusion Joe B. Leever My little children, I am the Lord, thy God. You are this, you are that and you are some other stuff, too. Tommy Twig Leader Wasn't that neat, guys? God just told us we're this, that, and some other stuff, too. Twiggies Wow! God sure loves us! Communal self delusion

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It so often comes down to that as a matter of last resort. The real point to take away here is that tongues is not a "language" (human or angelic) because it does not follow the conventions and structural requirements to qualify as a language. It has some elements of language. It sounds like language. (especially when we learn to enhance its delivery via excellor sessions) But, bottom line..... it's not a language.

Just curious. Does anyone use an e-reader version?

The thing that bothers me is this: If "speaking in tongues is proof in the senses realm of the internal presence...."....well, you know... How's come it's also been practiced by so many Non-Christian people for thousands of years, even before the "internal presence" and all that stuff was known about? It seems like there ought to be some sort of clue in there that addresses the subject at hand.

Examined from a cultural point of view, glossolalia is another 'language' in the Pentecostalists' linguistic repertoire Chock Two things strike me about this sentence. 1.) He qualifies it. (...from a cultural point of view) 2.) He puts quotes around the word. (...glossolalia is another 'language') This second devise is one I personally use frequently when the word or expression doesn't literally fit the typical definition and/or has a proprietary meaning. For example, if I were talking about my FellowLaborer experience, I might say something like...."Every morning at 5:30, we 'ran to the tree and back'." That expression has a nuanced meaning to anyone who was in the program.

I think I might have been a pet rock in a previous existence. Either that or a lawn mower.

Steve Is this enough to get you started? Ecstatic language was a common form of worship in pagan temples.i It was well established in Ancient Byblos (1100 BC). Plato (429-347 BC) mentions it as a phenomenon in his time. He tells us that a person under divine possession received utterances and visions that the receiver did not understand. These utterances were sometimes accompanied by physical healing of people present. Virgil (70-19 BC) tells us that the Sibylline priestess, when in prayer, united her spirit with the god Apollo and spoke in strange tongues.ii SOURCE

Beep Beep Beep Boop Boop Boop (Is it real or Memorex?)

Steve had mentioned that he would like some sources for his current project. I supplied these studies and noted that they provide an abundance of citation to investigate.

Genuine, counterfeit, fake....... If there is no such thing as a genuine $7 bill, there can be no counterfeit but, there can be a fake. Counterfeit implies the genuine exists.

A lot of the supposition we have seen here is that speaking in tongues has a spiritual significance. Picture this...You're in improvisation class and the director hands you a prop. He says, "Make up a language and sell this to Joe." Can it be done? Yes. I've seen it and done it myself. Is it really a language? No, but, it sounds like one. It sounds just like what we used to do in our excellor sessions. Maybe that's why this stuff seemed so easy to me when I became involved with The Way. But, where is the spiritual significance? Where does God figure into the whole thing? (By the whole thing, I mean the improvisation class exercise.)