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Speaking in tongues can't hurt you. That's a proven fact. But, consider this: Unlike meditation, when you speak in tongues, you temporarily relinquish a portion of your ability to think and question critically. You temporarily lose some of your sense of self. Now add that to the concept of a lift list and the camera analogy. You are focusing on something specific while losing some of your sense of self and critical thinking abilities. Here's an example: Picture Wierwille giving a successful and stirring presentation while you are speaking in tongues. (In other words, lift Wierwille.) What happens? Your mind begins to delude itself with the false image of Wierwille you created. Voila! Years go by and you still have this fairytale image of what Wierwille must have really been like. Well, that's my theory. But, I could be wrong. Wouldn't be the first time.
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What does that tell us? Something was going on. It wasn't what Wierwille taught. It wasn't what was going on at the Brownsville revival. But something WAS going on. What was it? Well, maybe it was glossolalia. It had been around a long time before Pentecost.
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When I took acting classes, we did an exercise that wasn't very different than an excellor session. "Make up a language and sell me this prop."
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If you ever participated in an excellor (practice) session.....you made stuff up. It's really that straightforward.
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Well, you can never be too careful. I mean, look what happened to poor Eve!
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I think it's important to note, you can make things up ahead of time and you can make things up spontaneously. Most of us probably fell into the latter classification.
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I second the motion. I should add, though, that I think most of us weren't aware we were lying....like when we told a younger sibling about Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny and believed it ourselves.
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Pillai said that people in Biblical times gave something on their birthday, rather than receive something. Does anyone know if there is any substantiation for this claim? We know they must have counted birthdays for the purpose of chronology and that certain birthdays were special, but, did they actually celebrate birthdays in the same sense as we do?
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Yes, you can only be 50 once....but you can celebrate it as many times as you want to.
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It makes me glad I never rose beyond the rank of peon.
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Exactly. There are new groups constantly springing up on FB....Skype type fellowships...taped teachings on youtube......and even live, on-line excellor sessions.....and then there's the debacle waiting to happen in Mississippi.
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Two big big problems I see with trying to explain things away with administrations: Wierwille said, in PFAL, that because the Ten Commandments are from an administration that no longer involves us or applies to us directly, we technically don't need to follow them, because, he said, The Great Commandment (Love God with all your heart, etc.) and The Second Great Commandment (Love your neighbor as yourself) supersede them and, thus, if we follow these two, we will be following the Ten Commandments inherently. In other words, if we follow the two Great Commandments, we wouldn't kill someone anyway. Here's where it gets stupid. Problem one: If you can use that logic to show that murder is wrong, how can you NOT say that the rest of the list (which includes adultery) needs to be treated equally? Problem two: The Great Commandment and its addendum, as found in the New Testament, are really, in essence, simply a restating of values that were originally set forth in the Old Testament. (Lev. and Deut.) So, logic would seem to say that they don't hold some sort of special significance that is proprietary to a specific era of time, nor do they supersede the essence of what was stated in The Ten Commandments. ...................................................................... Wierwille, of course, explained away part of this dilemma, in the Advanced Class, by saying that, when the Bible talks about "adultery", it is really talking about idolatry. So, his logic was that adultery is not really referring to the physical act of intercourse, but to something "spiritual". He went on to suggest that anyone who did not understand this, was somehow lacking in their ability to understand spiritual matters. ............................................................. Wierwille was no big shot leader with a special, inside track on understanding spiritual matters. He was just another self-centered, charismatic fool who abused the scriptures and used Darby's Administrations to rationalize his deviant behaviors.
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I was part of a rather sizable branch in the early 1970's. We used to set up a reel-to-reel tape machine and record the meetings every week....that is, until HQ caught wind of it. After that, we were instructed that, if we wanted to listen to taped teachings, we needed to subscribe to the Sunday Night Service tapes from New Knoxville. $$$
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Yeah....part of something great....like Al Bundy reliving his moment of glory as a high school football hero., Here's a news flash, all you romanticisers, It was never anything great. It was just another two-bit cult, set up to profit its founder....just like a thousand other similar organizations that have faded into the obscurity of time. But, wait!...we were THE BEST cult going at the time....VP said so.
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From what I've been witnessing on the web, the Wierwille legacy seems to be experiencing a substantial resurgence of support rather than fading away.. It's like an insidious virus you can never get rid of.
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....made possible by Darby and his concept of dispensationalism (administrations). Well, it's the Age of Grace, dontcha know.
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Wouldn't that constitute abuse of authority?
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These guys can't/couldn't even agree on something as straightforward as adultery. Do you really want to trust them to know the score on anything at all?
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It has long been my impression that the music of the "early days" (ie: PDSTRO, Selah, et al) was music that the artists brought WITH them when they came into the ministry. It did not originate inside the organization, in my opinion. That would explain the discrepancy between the two genres. It would also negate any optimism that The Way will somehow produce anything similar to the music that some remember fondly.
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Have you ever noticed that some of the nicest people you encountered during your Way involvement seldom get mentioned by name here? That's rather telling, in my opinion.
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Wake Up and Smell the Counterfeits
waysider replied to OldSkool's topic in Spirit and Truth Fellowship International
"If you're ever in doubt, ask The Teacher." :o -
Yeah! Annihilate those filthy heathens! That's what I'm talkin' about!
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Are they taking applications in Mississippi? :B)