pinklady

I DID GET IT!! Someone e-mailed me with it. Thanks for the concern. White Dove, Sometimes in your posts you seem to think you have all the answers when it comes to Geer. YOu have not had any contact with him. I have had contact with him and I can form a opinion based on facts. But thanks for your input. ex, I will see what I can do!! Ha!

THe topic deals with obeying leadership, children were just one of the area's. So I do think I am on target with these thoughts, but thanks for the note. I would not call it hate but more a dislike of evil. I think before you form opinions, you should perhaps walk in someone's shoes. I do know for sure that God dislikes families being torn apart. I do know for a fact that God gave the responsibility of teaching the children to the parent's not the leaders. They still don't seem to get it!!!!!! iT IS NOT POSSIBLE FOR GOD TO HATE.

Hey guys! I just wanted to share with you and tell you that I think I a turning a corner, For those who have not read my posts, I was really abused physically and spiritually like alot of us were but I am finally starting to feel like I want to live again, My husband beat me a couple of months ago and my bruises are healed now and I think my heart is too! I have been beaten, thrown out of fellowship, lost all the so called freinds but the most hurtful of all was loosing 2 kids. They are still in bondage and slavery and I will fight for them to be free until the day I die. I will not sit back and do nothing. I was in bondage too for a long time. But now I feel that I have grown so much and I am ready to live and love again. I never blamed God at any time, He has been the one fighting for me. Just when I thought I could not take another step, just when I thought I wanted to die He sent someone to minister to me. He has never left my side. I have seen that there are alot of loving and caring people out there. I have seen compassion. I would like to share something that one of my dear freinds I met on here sent me. She has e-mailed me faithfully everyday and I thank God for her, Be careful if you make a woman cry, because God counts her tears. The woman came out of a man's rib, not from his feet to be walked on. Not from his head to be superior, but from the side to be equal. Under the arm to be protected, and next to the heart to be loved. I wish my husband had been taught these things in the way corps and how to love his family and spend time with them. I know that God wants that for me and all of us beautiful women of God!!! Thanks for being here for me. Love Pink!!!

Really??? Then I must have slipped through the crack. I have had many responses from him over 2 years ago. He got involved and really messed up something very important to me He responded quite quickly and I Have the letters to prove it. I think this time it will be the same. You really don't know Chris at all, you only think you do. This is overdue. You have a right to think anything you like, so God Bless you.

I just started to read this thread and not all of it but I agree. Following men gets us in deep trouble. I live and breathe the scriptures that tell us we ought to obey God rather than men. I was always irritated when leadership had to be treated so special, almost put upon a pedestal. I remember Pat P. getting a memory book from the believers. It was sickening, they all praised him not God. I refused to write in it. It sits on his coffee table,. I quess it makes him feel special or something. Ha! The leader is to serve the believer not slave away on his property and detail clean his house and car!! I think the work took the place of loving and ministering to people because you were so stressed out from all the hard work you were too tired to do antyhing else. I have been confronting these men lately. why? because I still have people I love in that bondage. It is like slavery. I quess I am venting a little. It feels good!!!!!!!

Thanks for your concern guys. This is between me and him. I do know what I am doing and it is long over due. I am not afraid of him or any of these egotisical losers. When you have people that you love held hostage, I do not think you should just let things go. I believe in fighting for them, I spent most of my young life in bondage and I will do anything to free my kids. In a respectable Godly way of course!! Ha! How about you?...... I do believe that God is with me and that is a good thing!!

It is time I confronted him on some issues and I seem to have lost his address. Can anyone help?

I can totally agree on that, if you have a problem, you are negative and your husband can abuse you and dishonor you but you should still submit!!!! I am so glad I am free from this splinter group and my husband!!!!! They are heavy into mark and avoid, I should know because 2 kids and a husband do it!!

I have been reading all these posts and I will respont to ex's statement about Geers involvement with that couple and telling the wife to give her husband a blow job. They seem to give that advice alot. I was also told by Pat P. in Tampa who is a Geerite to give my husband one as well and that if I did not take care of him that alot of other women would! They really seem to be into telling wives that. They also promote the men doing porn. My husband did that alot. Not quite the picture of a ephesians marriage is it?

Well spoken Rascal!! You really have a handle on the situation with Geer, I am one of the families destroyed. As far as Whitedove is concerned he just does not get it, nor does he want to. So I would not waste time . He is like alot of those who follow Geer blindly, They don't want to believe he is just as corrupt as VP was and look how many lives were affected and destroyed by him, he is just following his leader.

I can tell you from experience that the Geerite group I was involved with did have way too much ego. It was their way or the highway. They even made you submit your teachings for approval!! They exhault VP and try to recreate TWI including camps, fellowlaborours, Classes and even a mini Rock Of Ages. PP IN Tampa and JC in NJ would actually send wows back and forth. They infer themselves as The Man Of God and love the worship they get from the followers. believers actually made a memory book to praise the man of God's 10 years of service!! I dont think the apostle Paul let believers exhault him. I refused to praise him. They love all the attention, especially from the young girls who fall over themselves to be with the man of God. Ego? yeah, I think that is a good word for them. Lets not forget the money. It is a easy living, PP could not support his family, he sold maps. Now he is rooling in the dough!!! Its a good game that they play. They learned from the best.

I have alot of legalistic stories. I was actually told I had to have leadership approval for dinner quests. My 17 year old was woirking and they sent someone to his work to say we were evil because we left. We were questioned for missing a fellowhip. We were given a book by the leaders wife on how to get up to tithing 90%!! We wanted to put in a pool and the leader said we should not do that unless we tithe. There were many more but just to let you know I stood up to them. my soon to be ex did not. I never cared for legalism and I never let someone try to dictate my life.

My vote is for VP then Geer for close second!!!! Geer watched all the sex stuff and he could have revealed it rather than cover it!!! I think he is even more evil and corrupt. It took alot of thought to devise his plan of stab and grab!! But really it does not matter what we think. I would sure not want to be them!! God will have the final say. I do believe they will lose all of their eternal rewards for harming God's wonderful children whom were decieved. I believe the word says , they decieve the hearts of the simple. for what reason? For their own bellies!!!!

HI VICKLES!! Thanks for sharing, like you said, your ex husband still believes VP, my husband thinks he never had sin. I was reading wordwolf's definition of narcissism, I found it very imformative, My soon to be ex just could not seem to tell the truth and his lies were always justified somehow. There was never any empathy, I lost 2 kids and I would cry and he would just get angry and walk away. He had to hang on the coat tails of others. I think that V.P was one and that some of his way corps developed alot of his characteristics. It is kinda like a child who grew up watching his father behave a certain way and he emulates that. You are right we are all in different stages of healing and I think all were affected or infected!!!!

Right on Shazdancer!! I Have met some of those men myself!!!

White Dove, at least you read everything on here and are not afraid of information. My husband thinks I am possessed for believing anything on here about Dr. or Chris!! I think its scary not to look at anything and to be so closed minded but he was in this since he was 16, so he is just a victim. I just wished he could have realized that this is not worth giving up your family for. I don;t have bitterness or hatred toward him, I still care for him. I just feel sorry for those who are in denial. peace and love!!!!!!

I agree with potato about Leadership not having the training or the dgrees to counsel people . I am living proof that a marriage can be destroyed. He actually told my husband to divorce me and he never opened the bible!! Having freinds outside of the fellowhip was taboo as well. I never listened to that, I always had freinds ouside of the fellowhip. I never really conformed, mabe that's why he wanted to get rid of me!!!!!!!

White Dove, this is pinklady. YOu are right that one can not hold someone accountable for someone else's actions, however, When that someone. i.e. Geer has Knowlege of one of his liscensee's abusing women and children, then I believe that person has a moral and spiritual obligation to reprove and dissassociate himself Geer did get involved in my situation, via letters and he choose to allow and condone that behavior. HE may not say these things in his classes, however it is how you live your life and how much you love people. He just does not have the love and in God's book that is the most important thing. J. C. says If you have a problem with a brother to go to him with 2 witnesses and if he won't hear you go to to church. I followed the correct steps. That is why I am telling my story. My freind gave you some very good advice, people are just trying to warn you out of brotherly concern, but as I have found out by my kids, if someone is asleep he won't hear you. You have to find out for yourself, One day you will hit the same wall we all did by following and trusting in men. I have no no bad feelings for you. I will pray for you. It really does not matter who believes my story , the warning is there for those who have ears to hear, God bless! Have a great day!!!

Mr. WhiteDove, This is Tina, the friend of Pinklady's. I checked myself on the misreading of your postings. So I read more postings. I agree, you don't know Pinklady's situation first hand, but I do. Your right there are two sides to every story but I did not mention her story to you.??! People post their feelings here, correct me if I am wrong but I believe that this site is specifically for those who have been spiritually abused by The Way and G-rite splinters. Splinters hurt (ouch), sorry, in a funny mood :-) It seems by what you have said to me that you have some unresolved issues about people placing blame. I am sorry for your encounter with this spirit that has hurt you in the past.!!! I saw brotherly love as a warning for your well being and you turned it into a debate. I understand and respect your concern about people accusing leaders or any others of wrong doings without proof, people can be hurt by what others say I have been there!! If you would like to talk I will be understanding. Bottom line, I have loyalty to Jesus Christ because he died for me, that is proof. Peace & Love, Tina

I am a friend of pinklady and I have been reading this and I have never been in the twi. From my perspective, it seems as though the followers of these groups are not barring one anothers burdens. Isn't that the heart of love and why we are learning God's word? Or is it that we are "learning" so that we can make it to Heaven? I know I want to go somewhere that my feelings matter. I wanna go where I am loved. To the ex-way people, I feel your pain, I am a part of a family that only think about themselves, I remember one time I was hurt beyond betrayal by my husband with my little sister and my dad said "he can still come over to play cards he didn't do anything to me". I see you people pouring out your hearts and the response I see from Dove and Johniam is cold and unfeeling. I don't know them but this is what I am reading. I wish them well and no disrespect. I know one thing if I want to be loved on I would want to be in a room with you ex-ways.! peace & love to everyone, I feel close to you guys, thanks for your time. Tina

What about Geer's Walking in God's power class and his suposside advanced class coming ? Apparently you have to have a stamped page 3 times in order to be eligiable to take the advanced class!! Like my 19 yr old son said, It excludes a majority of people from hearing the word, He also told his father, who just left because of Geer that he does not feel he needs a class to teach him the word. He said He goes to a youth fellowhip on campus and he has God's word in his heart!!!!

Whitedove, How about evil associations corrupt good moral? The Apostle Paul surely would not condone any corruption from those he was associated with or any that lacked intregrity!!!! Geer Has knowlege of many things that are contrary to God's word and he does not care. It is his responsbility, he is responsible for his actions or lack of proper ones. I have letters from him and from him to others where he has told believers never to contact him again, all because they wrote him about one of his liscensees, PP!! All he cares about is the money!

johiam's statement, PL's story sounds combustible, I don;t speak for those people, they don't speak for me, What I have observed with people in the Geer groups is they seem to loose a sensitivity or caring for others. As long as they are not the one being attacked they sort of have a blind eye for other believers. Well, what difference does it make, Its not me. I watched people turn a blind eye to kids marking and avoiding their own mother, they went along and condoned it!! What's up with that? It is more of a click, a private group of people, who are afraid of life without being in a group with a class and a leader, who pretty much decides what is best for their life. When the love of God is alive in a fellowship you don't hear any stories or accusations against leaders, read 1 thessalonians about Paul and how he treated believers, they knew him because he made himself available to them, No one could charge him with anything!!!! Put that in your pipe and smoke it! What kind of a pastor or a man would condone children not contacting their parents who raised them in the word? I'll tell you who did that, PP and Chris G!! I wrote Geer about the abuse and he turned his head. He did not want to lose that franchise or his 15%. My kids are just more abs in his pocket!! Why didn't he do everything he could to reconcile our family? He just does not care and what you look at is what you become, I don't even know my husband anymore. His heart is corrupted from the idolotry of following men! PL

JOhniam, I went to a Geer group for 12 years and I have had more than 3 correspondeces with him, so I think i can qualify as a expert on this topic. Geer does not care about people, families or who gets hurt by whom, he only cares about his bank account!! He never counsels or pastors anyone. What does he do to deserve that money? He promises the golden advanced class for 15 years dah, why are people so blind?? I can tell you from experience there is no true love of God. Some have innocent hearts but the leaders decieve the hearts of the simple, for what? To feed their own belly. That's what Gods word says. God's word is not a business and people are to be loved not used!! I lost 2 of my kids and a husband who beat me for not submitting to Geer. Where's the love in that? People here have true stories from the heart to tell and there is nothing negative about that. I am not the only victim of family marking and avoiding, thinking they are doing the word. The heart of the word is the family. they separate and divide them. Wake up for you sake and those you love. With respect P.L.

Thank you Lori. You do understand!!! I'll take that hug and give you one back!