LornaDoone

:D Ummmmmm interesting topic and well discussed. I like your comments Rascal.

I remember alot of songs. I remember (but not all the words)

Jesus Christ is the one who can turn you around,

Put you on the right track, put your feet on the ground,

It's all up to you now, your the one who can make up your miiiiiiiiiiind. dadada

Also:

Because God raised Jesus Christ from the Dead, God raised Jesus Christ from the Dead

Might be the chorus

This was Dave Hxxxxxxd, Tim Sxxxxx, Pete Mxxxxx, Jim Cxxxxx

They were in NJ at the time

Then one of the believers (a corps grad) Ron Hurxx did some very good songs like.

Jesus Christ is our stronghold,

Jesus Christ is our stronghold,

and I forgot the words but alas great memories.

:blink: Oh well!

Gee Hammer talking to yourself? Since we don't live with them we don't know their problems so who cares.

Let's put this to rest and move on. RFR and DM are not lesbians. This is a fact and I personally know this to be true. They are as close as "sisters". That is the essence of their relationship and I would stake my life on it.

If anyone of you would like to continue to slander their names, you are worse than you accuse them of being. I suggest you find another scapegoat whose reputation you would like to destroy.

PS I am not a fan of either of these women, nor do I pretend to like either of them, just FYI.

Try a search for google earth

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Originally posted by GeorgeStGeorge:

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Originally posted by LornaDoone:

Wouldn't it be nice if all who were involved in TWI over the years did go the her gravesite at TWI II. Boy they would really see what they have been missing all these years and finally see all of those that were not greasespots by midnight. What a witness to those left in. I really pray that there is a huge showing of believers that left and show them all what The Body of Christ is really about.

Honestly, I would hope it would be about respect for Mrs. W., not a slap in TWI's face. There are other avenues for that.

George

George don't put words in my mouth and read into this something that is not there.

Sorry guys but this is a sad thread. To think that the greatest aspect of holy spirit given on the day of Pentecost is being ripped to shreds.

Speaking in tongues is a commandment of the Lord. If you want to learn how to get over being nervous (and I have to eay everyone I knew was nervous in the beginning) teach a children's fellowship. You would be amazed how it will flow from you.

You were trying to get approval from people.

IMHO

For those of you who no longer belive, that is more sad. What a wonderful way to give to The Body of Christ without even thinking about it.

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Originally posted by Zshot:

I just checked the twi web site...

There is no mention of Mrs. W. conditition and/or requesting prayers for her and her family. That would be a kind and loving thing to do. Hence, that thought won't come to them (they will have to read it here).

They probably just found out at Greasespot, how would they know they disassociated themselves from her a few years ago.

Wouldn't it be nice if all who were involved in TWI over the years did go the her gravesite at TWI II. Boy they would really see what they have been missing all these years and finally see all of those that were not greasespots by midnight. What a witness to those left in. I really pray that there is a huge showing of believers that left and show them all what The Body of Christ is really about.

My prayers for the family, she is dearly loved by so many.

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Innies and Outies all hugging eachother.

IMAGINE THAT!

Yeah imagine, I rather doubt it. Under the scrutiny of "the fox"?

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Originally posted by Mr. Hammeroni:

Hey, no arguments here.

I'm still kind of suprised how they can be such a nice bunch of folks after years of TWI involvement.

Can't beat all the goodness out of some people I guess.

Hey look at all the good people here Hammeroni and we came out of TWInsanity.

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Originally posted by smurfette:

BTW I consider myself lonely because I haven't allowed myself to relax andlet down my guard at the church. It's large enough that I can go there and be left pretty much alone. (Though a few people have noticed me and been very nice-I am just not ready to unload all my personal thoughts,feelings and confusion.) I think in some ways I am scared to get more involved than that because of my previous twit experience.

Smurfette, I think you've answered your own question. If you tried out CFF, you don't have to "unload", you just enjoy the fellowship. If you came from TWI they already know what people have been through and they will be able to offer support without asking any questions.

At least they would have empathy and love for your situation and they would be understanding to where you have been and be supportive of where you want to go.

Aside from posts that answered your question, the rest is old horse .....

Dear Bliss,

I know this is a difficult time for you but consider keeping it very simple.

You don't agree with their legalistic doctrine that is biased to certain people and not others. You don't like the favoritism and hurt that they have caused to other people. You and hubby really want Jesus Christ as Head of the Church again and Lord in your lives.

Please keep us posted, you are in our prayers.

Originally posted by LornaDoone:

I have a hard time with this. I never in the 20 some years of TWI ever had anyone tell me to beat (spank more than one time) to get their attention, then tell them what they did & why they were corrected. Then you loved them up. (/QUOTE)

My response went from a spank once to beating a child then loving them up. As I mentioned before we had over 30 Way Corps in our area and NEVER did one of them strike a child in our area that did not belong to them with the exception of one mother who occassionally baby sat & she did not beat them.

So again I say we were taught to spank once (never in anger) controlled, not out of control and then explain what they did and why they were corrected and then you show them you love them so they are not left feeling bad. We were also taught time out & that sometimes an explanation was all that was necessary if the child responded. If they were bouncing off the walls (and I taught CF for over 13 yrs) they needed the correction.

I have helped raise 8 beautiful children with the spoon (& broke a few, that were defective) and they all have turned out to be wonderful people. So spanking is definitely in my book but I believe we were taught the proper way.

Those that were abused were exactly that & had I known of a situation, I would have ripped that leader a new AH. I would never have taken that crap from anyone and no one in the world could have convinced me that beating my child was a necessity.

So it's the people, not the teachings from God that made grave error and it will cost them dearly one day. Better a noose be around their neck.

Sorry for all of you who had suffered, had I known I would have been beserk and called Dyfus.

How about taking a two week vacation to spend quiet time with hubby & God.

Then believe God to work in him to will and to do of His good pleasure. Maybe you can get him to see he is a minister of Jesus Christ & has a ministry to people, not just thru TWI.

Great blessings are ahead of you.

Abi, the light is at the end of the tunnel. Just stay focused, God will never let you down. You are a good mother & want the best for your children, God will take care of you and soon. This is a stepping stone.

Big hug to you.

Oh Krys I missed your birthday, :(-->. Well I pray for a whole month of great blessings and surprises. Let um eat chocolate.

love you............

I have a hard time with this. I never in the 20 some years of TWI ever had anyone tell me to beat (spank more than one time) to get their attention, then tell them what they did & why they were corrected. Then you loved them up.

We had Way Corps that taught this and ran the Christian Family & Sex Class and no where did it ever say to beat a child. Exactly the opposite was taught and that came from hdqtrs.

So am I missing something here that Corpse did one thing at hdqtrs and something else on the field. This is from the 70's to the 90's.

"Hmmm, Lorna, could division also be caused by...differences of opinion?"

Sorry we were on vacation. Sure division could be caused by differences of opinion? However; I know we can have differences of opinion without division. Sometimes we just have to let it go. I don't think we have to agree on everything, I belive every Christian has to walk his walk with God in a very personal way & when and where we can help each other we do. I don't believe we need titles or religious covers to function actively within The Body of Christ.

I believe (and it's my opinion) that I have a responsibility to God to live each day to the fullest regardless of problems that come up and believe Him to bring victory in every situation which He does. I also believe it is my responsibility to help any other Christian believer who needs and wants it to the best of my ability.

Division (I believe) comes within the renewed mind catagory. Our little kids screw up, we don't just cast them out and divide our family, so we need the same tolorance of each other. We really are in a screwed up world and it sucks.

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This is a very long process I can tell. Oddly, we have shared some of the horrors of theVey with some close friends, they are appauled by it, by still see no reason to leave because " there is nothing else out there".

Bliss I have enjoyed reading about you. As for nothing out there. The church (you and your husband) would be out there, finally doing what God will work in your heart. As for work etc., you and your husband will be blessed beyond your wildest dreams. God has a plan for you, as members in particular.

By the way I love Joel Osteen & his wife Victoria, they just seem to love life & his new book Your Best Life Now is available for 14.99, it's this years best seller. Not that I would advocate following them but at least hubby would see that others do share & live the Word. He is a trinitarian but maybe God will get him beyond that one day.

Since leaving I have found so many hungry people on the internet who have received deliverance from learning the things we have been taught, ie Jesus Christ is Not God (I knew this from the Jehovah's Witnesses before coming to the Way), The Dead are Dead. So there is a ministry there for you, it's your ministry.

I too have an innie there & would love to have you e-mail me as I have some questions. I am very concerned because I thought they were headed for an Exodus but now I'm not sure. Thank you for sharing, now I know that more people are waking up to the boredom of the teachings. You will have a great chance to do those teachings you have held in your hearts when you leave.

As far as leaving, you could just tell them you want to go WOW or whatever they call it now & just go. When you get there don't give them any phone numbers or communicate.

As far as your friends, you could prepare a short & sweet note informing them of your decision & why. (sort of pulling them out of the fire) then they make up their own minds. Sure glad you are here.

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Originally posted by rascal:

Warm fuzzies about the people? Oh yeah....me too, definatly.

I just don`t equate the wonderfull people with the ministry.

I know a wonderfull spiritual woman who teaches occasionally at the mormon church.

It is the spirit of God that works in her to provide such heart and insight....it doesn`t make her church a place that I would be comfortable in.

Don`t you see?

It was the spirit of God that worked in individual people...it was twi, that hijacked their tallents and hid behind them ...they were enabled to preform great evil.... because what the REST of the people saw was the honest christians that brought their gifts and spirituality WITH them.

I have seen this in churches since leaving as well...you have a couple of really strong genuine chrisitians who love and inspire people, but behind the scenes, you have the decons and the board members who can be quite corrupt and cruel.

As with twi, it doesn`t inspire me with any respect for their denomination, or the leaders whom use the believers as shields to mask their activities, nor their leaders whom use these dear folks, their tallent and their status in the community to improve the prestige of their church.

GOOD ANALOGY RASCAL, I AGREE

The answer is simple: Division is caused by "evil"

Debbil Birrets

To quote a scripture:

1 Timothy 6:10  For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

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The problem with twi they were making mistakes all over the place and could give a crap about it. It was and is all about money and some perverts.

Hey you ain't loafing, you got that right.

Belle,

Sounds like Craiggers was an authority on what he had been doing. LOL

However; why in the world would you want to put any of that stuff in your mind again. YUCH!

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Originally posted by Belle:

Thanks, House! I don't miss getting that every other month.

It is funny that they are promoting their pitiful little website. Leading people to the web is only going to send people here. If I look up a website on a company I also do a search to see what OTHER people say about that company. :D--> Good deal!

They have to keep teaching their p.i. on debt because they keep losing people because of it. If you tell the same lies over and over enough eventually some people will believe it. At least that's what they're hoping.....

They actually BOUGHT a present for the HFC's usually it was US having to provide the gifts. At least in FL it was. One year it was a photo album, once it was just a fancy card, once it was a dinner at one of our homes always something each year, but always something WE made or purchased. Maybe they did that because we've talked about how cheap they are and how they never do anything for "their people".

Belle I know you are right about losing people and it can't happen quick enough for me.