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satori I don't know about you, but I do believe in 'karma." What one gives, seems to come back just when it's needed. Without waxing philisophical, I do believe that one's good deeds, or kind intentions, no matter how small or insignificant, can somehow bounce back and to us, and look like a "miracle." Maybe it ain't christian, i don't know, but i beleive it. :)-->

well, vick, i remember a fire drill in the middle of the night towards the end of our last year in-rez when a couple of half nakee guys came out of the girls' rooms. Reminded me of my all girls dorm in college. :)--> Of course, we all "covered" (literally) for the guys. :D-->

Sky You are so right. God forbid, one has a real challenge in life, that maybe a little help, kindness, understanding, and friendship might heal. It doesn't exist in a psuedo/reality, where one's problems are due to "negative believing." Sheesh, how immature can you get?

Galen, dear I hate to be the one to break the news to you, but..... :)--> There's much more out there that is way better than PFAL. I encourage you to look around a tad bit.... And I'm not talking splinters or clones. It's a real big Chrisitan world out there.

PS Suzi I hear ya, too. Pick someone you like, and stay with them. Forget all the exteraneous bs. Crudmudgeons are always best. They shoot from the hip, and always like to have fun! if need be, sigh............ :D-->

Oh my gosh, Sunesis' post reminds me of what it was like to be at Emporia last year in-rez. YES, there was kind of a "desperation rush" for some to get married. The pressure was most markedly on, for some who thought a married lifestyle was better than being single, to "find someone." I don't wanna bore anyone with the details of my particular situation, but suffice it to say, I hung out with a group of women who got hit on alot, who were very young, who thought "what the hell? is this about?" Fortunately, I found someone who I admired, respected, had fun with, had common interests, etc. who thought the same thing. We got married because we liked each other. :)--> We happened to "find" each other at Emporia. We've had many conversations over the years about how fortunate we were to both land at the same place at the same time. I truly have found my soulmate, whom I probably wouldn't have met hadn't we both landed at Emporia at the same time. I consider myself very lucky, and somehow, by the grace of God, it works for us. But I'd be lying if I didn't say that we haven't lasted 22 plus years without working a bunch of sheet out. Bottom line is, we like to be with each other. We did in-rez, and we still do now. :D-->

OMG, igotout. Top floor anderson. I remember writing my name in toothepaste along with J*hn Z*ka, after our first year. Dang..... Who knew John would be the library guru. :D-->

and your point is?

satori Having arrived a little late on the thread, I aplogize if my comments seem redundant. But, I was very touched by your story. I chalk it up, not so much as the "miraculaous" but as humans being very genoruous. ;)--> I don't think that it takes a real "spiritual" person, to be kind to another human. When we take the time to care about one another, egads, even a stranger, yeah, "miracles happen." But I think it's just thinking of someone else in a given situation, instead of ones self. It costs very little, ya know? and has many rewards.... :)--> Your dad was very fortunate to be the recipient of just some plain ole human kindness. ;)-->

Oak You're right, of course. Thanks for the "reproof." :D-->

I confess. In my profession, as an interior designer, sometimes I tell people that something will work, cause I know it's what they want, and they insist. The customer is always right, ya know. But I'm thinking, "ohmigosh, dear God, please don't let anybody know I did this room, house, etc." Am I a liar?

Ohmigosh, Oak. Consider me reproved.

Linda, I think there's a little more to the story of Jack and Tina if you wanna talk about it. PT me, dear, if you feel like it. ;)-->

I suppose my beloved and I were an "arranged marriage" of sorts. We both had a mutual 9th corps friend who hooked us up, behind our backs, of course. After we got engaged, she said to me, "You guys are going to have beautiful babies together." I have to admit, she was right. :)--> We have beautiful teenage children, and I have to say, I still enjoy being with my dearly beloved. Life is good sometimes, even when one has a checkered cult past. ;)-->

Well, getting back to the original question, Dang, is anybody who disagrees with you reproving you? Methinks not. Heck, I'm old enuff to know what I'm talking about. If you don't agree, then fine, you disagree, but I don't take it as reproof. Ok, I have had a stupid attack or two in the forums. I have said dumb stuff that makes no sense to anybody. But, George Aar usually picks up on it, and lets me know. So he's the only poster I take "reproof" from. Well, except maybe Satori. Those two are qualified, in my not so humble opinion. Ok, laleo, you too. :)--> I better quit before my list gets too long..... Anybody else, get in line, and take a number. :D-->

Dear Plots Having been with some of my beloved ones when they left this life and experienced the transition to whatever lies next, has so changed me. As this experience has changed you. I can't think of a better way to leave this life, than being surrounded by those that love and care, and have meant so much. I hope and pray that we have the same passing as your beloved Josie. You did well by her, and her loved ones, dear.

For what it's worth :D--> I've read HCW's account of what happened, and it is pretty much the exact same story that I heard shortly after the accident happened, and then later after Rochelle died. HCW, you've done an amazing job of telling your story, and expressing so many of the thoughts and emotions that went along with it. Although your perspective is unique, I can safely say, maybe suggest, that your experience of what really happened mirrors that of many who were involved. Thanks for so eloquently verbalizing what needs to be said. Hugs.

Sky, You make an excellent point about personal stories and the internet. When my family and me were ousted from the cult in the mid-80's, we called just about everyone whose phone number we had, to tell them about what was really going on, as far as we could tell. Many of our closest friends and comrades didn't believe us, and called us liars, said we were bitter, etc., etc. (Of course, some listened. :)--> but many cursed us.) Then along comes Waydale, and all of a sudden, we post stories and experiences, and somebody else says, "yeah, I was there, too, and yeah, that's what happened." Instant credibility. Suddenly, there are scads of witnesses, who were there too. Tis quite powerful, the stories of many witnesses.

Steve, What satori said. The corps guy broke one of the "safety rules" of hitching by leaving his female partner in the truck alone.

Please excuse the side conversation here. JohnnyL The rape incident did occur our first year in-rez. The corps guy got kicked out of the corps for it, but the girl, (victim) stayed in until the first part of our last year in-rez. We were on the 2nd LEAD group of that year and when we got back to Emporia, she left. It was all really hush hush, as it usually was when someone left. I had no idea what had happened to her our first year, until Daggoo, I think it was, told me. (I was at another campus when the incident occurred.) I don't know anymore details than what I've said here, except I remember her name. Any other questions, pt me.

Johnny I didn't know about the incident until our last year at Emporia, when the girl was sent to LEAD again. It just so happened she was in my twig at LEAD. She had alot of problems, and after we got back to Emporia, she left. That's when I found out what she had been through. Her name wasn't Mary, though, and I have a BIG problem with posting a rape victim's name here. :(--> Evidently, when she and her partner were hitching to LEAD, they got a ride with a trucker. When he stopped at a truck stop, the corps guy got out of the truck to use the restroom, leaving the girl in the truck alone with the driver. He drove off with her, and raped and beat her. That's all I know. It's a very, very sad story.

Ohmigosh!!!! Out. That's me in that thar picture!! Thanks for posting it.......ah memories... Tom, that's moi (the Texan) who was caught away by the spirit.....Why do I have the hat on anyway? I've never owned a cowboy hat in my life...

No kidding, radar. Love you, girl. :)-->

Come on, think about it a little. VPW was really good at what he did, and somehow mangaed to have a national, even a worldwide following. You don't do that being being a total numbbut all the time. :D-->

Well, having been there, in the teacher's room after a big, cool teaching, I have to say, they believed his stuff. As far as I could tell, they all believed the bible, spiritual stuff, and treated VP like he was Moses or something. No kidding. They thought he could walk on water if he wanted to. Just my perception. ;)-->