cman

1 hour ago, Raf said:

There is an end to our world here in the physical. But that doesn't make the spiritual more important unless the spiritual can be established to exist. 

yes of course, and how does that happen?

who can prove it?

who is looking for the proof?

I can't prove anything, but I can point things out to think about and consider for anyone I talk to.

If one is looking for the spiritual then the spiritual needs to be looked at.

no worries raf...

If you look at life from more than the about 100 years we live on the planet, things start making more sense.

There is no apocalypse, that is fantasy, not reality. There is an end to your world here in the physical, that is why the spiritual is more important. Cause the new heavens and earth are real and now. Just because one is blind to it does not mean it does not exist.

you hang on to these church teachings as if they are the truth, are they? or are they the anchor that keeps you asleep, sleeping comfortably in your mind-set

here is another

"If you believe it will work out,
you'll see opportunities.
If you believe it won't,
you will see obstacles."
~Wayne Dyer…

and not to put you down in any way, it's just the way it is

12 minutes ago, Charity said:

It's a beautiful quote you shared.  Biblically, it would be refuted by Jeremiah 17:9: "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked:"  (See also Rom 3:10-18 and Gal 5:19-21)

yes we are stewards, as Jesus taught, as Paul taught 

stewards of the pearl of great price

Paul wrote to those who have been awakened from sleep, born again, yes, but what does that mean=awake, the spirit uncoiled from inside. He constantly talked about the spirit inside, as well as in the other men who wrote letters, like John and Peter and James.

These are the things Jesus taught. It, the spirit, is what he was talking about...clearly. Instead of the epistles to be read all the time, it is better to read the gospels and proverbs, psalms....to see what they were seeing....

I could try to tell you what I see, or rather what I have been shown, but words cannot convey it or convince anyone of it, you have to see it for yourself. And God is always showing everything always, one just has to wake up from the sleep we have been seduced into. Cause the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak, scared of letting go.

you can find some answers in Christian doctrines and bible readings, maybe in some church dogma....

the only true satisfying answers are from Christ in you

a quote I saw this morning from "Charter for Compassion" 

"Your soul,
that inner quiet space,
is yours to consult.
It will always guide you
in the right direction."
~Wayne Dyer

nothing wrong with dumping or keeping religious beliefs-doesn't matter that much anyway

get in touch with yourself, whatever that means to you, grow a garden or get a dog, spend some time with nature, release yourself from everything to get connected to everything in newness of your spirit

Should have been put on the green card. But there it is, we experienced it, lived it, can explain it even...today anyway.

Perhaps GSC is the only place regular wayfers look at outside of the way's indoctrination setup. You know, only reading collaterals, don't dare read anything else or look at tv.

I'm guessing this is still happening inside twi...not sure though.

nice write-up socks, on those 2 verses with considerations of other perspectives

I don't think some literal interpretation can satisfy the very human need to know, or even a curiosity to see things more clearly. Time to God is not a thing to put into the text I would think, so to us it's a tough concept to see it without a framework of assumed reality.

40 minutes ago, Mark Sanguinetti said:

God removed this spiritual being from heaven to earth. 

Sounds like creating, sort of....and so the rest of the story...

....o yeah.....

dkarateka7, you started out here yelling about forgiveness, I'm all for it

do you know from experience the forgiveness in Christ?, it's bigger than you think

1 hour ago, dkarateka7 said:

cman ever hear the word epignosko, experiential knowledge/knowledge by experience;  that is my walk   I dont sit in an ivory tower and  study the word .  I live and prove the word to myself by being a doer of the word  and not a hearer.  I like to memorize the word as an  important part of of my walk. To be able to  recall the word to myself or when needed. 

You ask questions which is good  but I  have a question for you  cman. Are you teaching, preaching, and operating your ministry of reconciliation and are  reconciling men  back to God,  being a Doer of the Word?   I do not need your answer  because that should be between you and God.   And for all whose heart the word has been  the critic of the thoughts and  intents of the heart.  Ask God.       Much Agape  

I've forgotten more way doctrine than you will ever know.

Have you met Christ? Has he come to you?

genesis, like every book gives the readers certain info to process, to each their own you know

like 2 things can be true at the same time even if it contradicts each other

so a story with a lot in it reveals more as we grow

there is no 1 interpretation of events 

On 4/26/2024 at 1:40 PM, dkarateka7 said:

ask the Father    i do my best to walk in love walk in light and walk circumspect    when i  dont i confess my broken fellowship,   i ask for forgiveness and restore my fellowship. and move on  im not perfect  

is fellowship walking in love equal to memorizing scripture?

you need to experience fellowship in Christ before you can break it

acquiring knowledge is not fellowship

quoting scripture is not fellowship

hmm yeah eternal now is not what vp taught or anyone that follows his teachings 

are you living by every word of god?

no

1 hour ago, dkarateka7 said:

I believe the word of God therefore i speak the word of God.

speaking the word of god is not quoting scripture, copying what has already been said

wow.... lol...

The serpent is Christ 

They ate because, as described, they will be as Gods. The serpent was right.

The knowledge of good and evil is the knowledge of God 

Probably why he told em not to eat it. The devil was not supposed to be referenced. 

Yeah just as we will surely die, we will be made alive. Not everyone at the same time though, as has been taught. After death we will be made alive. Each as each one comes.