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(A Belated Happy Bithday to You Tom, I hope it was Spectacular and I am sorry I missed it I fell on ice and sprained my hands!!!) Cheers Tom Have a Birthday Snow Cone!!!

As a group we as Mankind are both the victimizes and the victims of one another. We all have caused our own little mini hells and torture chambers howbeit intentioned or not!!! It is due to our sin nature and how easily we can and are deceived. Hbr 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset [us], and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 1Ti 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. 2Ti 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. Tts 3:3 For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, [and] hating one another. We try very hard to make our ways and /or our standards and morals inpenatratable fortresses, lining them up as closely to GOD’s own, or a religious or alternate belief system. We seek to be loved and accepted…the internal “GOD Vacuum”(We were made to seek GOD)… and for the most part we seek to cause the least amount of harm or offense to ensure our safety and the safety of others.We live in world where morals and standards are fashioned out at any given whim of anyone’s design; more or less to shore up our vast array of vanities, desires, gaps and insecurities. It is a prevailing ideology to be tolerant if not accepting of all belief systems as long as they appear at least on the surface harmless and unobtrusive. In my humble opinion this defies all logic, and that is how I believe it must appear to GOD!!! God created us, truly marvelously and awesomely in every minute detail he made us in his own likeness. God created us a physical realm we have not even come close to understanding the creative mysteries of our amazing Father GOD. The how’s and why’s of His framing the physical, mental and spiritual realms. They in themselves Declare and Glorify God and His Love, His Goodness and His Wisdom. We are fitly framed together and GOD knows all the boundaries and measures and every hair on every head. No one has His scope or His vision nor the perfect exactness of GOD. What folly to feel we are capable of ordering our own steps and ensuring our own safety and protection from all the snares set to deceive and entrap us? We can be our own worst enemies and even deceive our own selves. Yet that is not the worst of all threats aimed at us. John 10:10 speaks of our worst and most deceitful enemy. His aim is to steal the truth of GOD from us and to to kill and destroy us. All the wiles of the devil and His minions are revealed by GOD. He in his arrogance and pride sought to usurp the throne of GOD. Jhn 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. Jhn 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have [it] more abundantly. Jhn 10:11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep. Jhn 10:12 But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep. Jhn 10:13 The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep. Jhn 10:14 I am the good shepherd, and know my [sheep], and am known of mine. Jhn 10:15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. Jhn 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, [and] one shepherd. Jhn 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. Jhn 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father. Jhn 10:19 There was a division therefore again among the Jews for these sayings. Jhn 10:20 And many of them said, He hath a devil, and is mad; why hear ye him? Jhn 10:21 Others said, These are not the words of him that hath a devil. Can a devil open the eyes of the blind? Jhn 10:22 And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter. Jhn 10:23 And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch. Jhn 10:24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly. Jhn 10:25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. Jhn 10:26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. Jhn 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: Jhn 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any [man] pluck them out of my hand. Jhn 10:29 My Father, which gave [them] me, is greater than all; and no [man] is able to pluck [them] out of my Father's hand. Jhn 10:30 I and [my] Father are one. He the Devil wanted to make himself a god…a designer god. He abandoned GOD and GOD’s way. He became unable and unwilling to submit to GOD and warred an unwinnable war against God. He had been the “angel of light” with free will, honor and authority. How God must have loved him…even now he is allowed to walk to and fro through heaven and earth because of GOD’s Perfect Justice and Way. Yet GOD and his justice has judged him rightly and pronounced sentence upon him, because God cannot be changeable or unfairly just. His perfectness must remain perfect!!! The Devil's mode of operands is to steal and to kill and to destroy; and we are the only suitable prey he has. God is far and away too Holy Perfect Wise, ALL Powerful, Invincible and Unconquerable to be his prey. We on the other hand make great and suitable prey for him and his minions.. We are subject to vanity and pride as he was. We at our worst are a lot like the devil. We are all too often convinced that we are right in our own eyes and make our own ways better by also abandoning and opposing God with our self- justifications, self –serving self –righteousness. We are at times and to extreme degrees self- determined, self – reliant, self –mitigating, self – seeking, self -serving, and a self –centered bunch of creatures; that oft times are unwilling or unable to submit to God. These traits in balance are not in all aspects detrimental. Abandoning and opposing GOD will bring just eternally unavoidable consequences that I shudder to even imagine! GOD see’s all and knows all…no mere mortal man or heavenly host could handle being GOD we cannot even look upon Him as Moses desired. It would render us dead to see His Glory. He would have to hide us in a clift of a rock and show us his hind most parts as GOD did with Moses. GOD is willing and able to always bless us; every good and right thing comes down from GOD! What a tender moment with GOD this must have been for Moses. We cannot even imagine the greatness of GOD’s Love toward us!!!This one of my favorite records of having a relationship with GOD!!! Exd 33:17 And the LORD said unto Moses, I will do this thing also that thou hast spoken: for thou hast found grace in my sight, and I know thee by name. Exd 33:18 And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory. Exd 33:19 And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy. Exd 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live. Exd 33:21 And the LORD said, Behold, [there is] a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock: Exd 33:22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by: Exd 33:23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen. To confess our sins convicts us and humbles us, displaying openly before God alone who is there to forgive the repentant and to help us with our inadequacies. To admit and to recognize our own sinful nature, our own guilt and the responsibility and consequences of our foolish and corrupt actions and reminds us that we were made by GOD the creator in a finite way. He made us his children because we are the ones who have a lot to learn. God is so completely merciful and graciously loving and forbearing toward us in our sins. Yet he is and must remain just. He gave us free will to love or to reject a relationship with him and to choose his way or our own way. He has shown us openly and compassionately the consequences and the rewards that our choices carry. How often have we told ourselves that God doesn’t care if we do this or that; knowing full well what his will truly is. Like as any foolish and unlearned child we can be a demanding thoughtless pitiful bunch. God is not willing to lose anyone of us; He fights for us without end or we would have long ago lost all of our lives battles. We are vulnerable and incapable of saving ourselves or securing our own eternal life, had He, GOD not withstood the attacks with us and beared His arm against our enemies we would be long gone as Satan would openly attack and destroy us and laugh at our calamity!!! Take a moment and imagine life truly without GOD and the absence of His Presence and His unmatched Love, His Wisdom and His Great Grace and Mercy!!! And my Dearly Beloved Friends and Family, I hope that scares the HELL right out of You ALL; and if it doesn’t, then it most certainly will break my heart to lose any of YOU to HELL and You ALL mean far more to GOD than I could ever understand!!! This is an in part reply to You Garth, Mark and Oak!!! I will response to your posts individually soon!!!Oak Geisha sent me the article read the botton of the 1st post in this thread it will state the resourse Ravi on How do you know there is a God? Please Put my Margins and paragraphs back in I have edited to try to return them but it is submitted as one clump!!! Why???????? I individually indented every piece to fix this again!!!

C.S. Lewis: from theism to Christianity

John MacArthur on true Salvation through Jesus Christ

Why Would A Good God Send People To An Everlasting Hell? 1. What is hell? Not a place of high thermal output (though some conservative scholars disagree) but being “away from the Lord’s presence” : 2Th 1:6 Seeing [it is] a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; 2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 2Th 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; 2Th 1:10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day. 2Th 1:11 Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of [this] calling, and fulfil all the good pleasure of [his] goodness, and the work of faith with power: 2Th 1:12 That the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and ye in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ (2 Th 1:9) Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;-cut off from intimate union with God (Rev 21:3; & Rev 22:4 : Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God [is] with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, [and be] their God. Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. Rev 22:3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him: Rev22:4 And they shall see his face; and his name [shall be] in their foreheads. Rev 22:5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever. Rev 22:6 And he said unto me, These sayings [are] faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done. Rev 22:7 Behold, I come quickly: blessed [is] he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book. Hell’s darkness and flames (which, if literal, would cancel each other out) are figurative, portraying anguish and hopelessness without God. Hell was prepared for the devil and his angels (Mt 25:41)-: Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: Spirit beings, which are unaffected by physical fire. Let’s address some hell-related questions that unbelievers and believers find troubling. 2. “Isn’t God unjust to punish persons forever for sins committed during a limited earthly existence?” Those in hell have committed the ultimate, infinite sin-not simply a string of finite sins-in rejecting a relationship with the self-giving God. Also, hell is the logical outcome of a mindset to live apart from God-not simply committing individual sins. The punishment fit’s the crime. You want no God, you get no God. There are two kinds of people: Those who say to God, “Thy will be done,” and those to whom God says, “Thy will be done” (C.S Lewis). 3. “But wouldn’t persons in hell really want to be with God if they knew what hell is like?” No. Those who have resisted God on earth continue in their hard-heartedness thereafter (just as those living for God on earth continue to enjoy him). God’s holy presence would truly be “hell” for those wanting their own way. We have no hint from Scripture of repentance in hell Rebellion, hate, and selfishness continue. The rich man in Hell (Luke 16:19-28) is remorseful, not repentant-not wanting to change, but to find relief! Remorseful: A strong feeling of guilt and regret. Repentant: 1. To be Sorry - To recognize the wrong in something that you have done and be sorry about it. 2. To Change – To feel regret about a sin or past action and change your ways or habits Rebellious: 1. Opposing or defying authority – Opposing or defying authority, accepted moral codes or social conventions. 2. Fighting to overthrow government or authority – fighting to overthrow government or other authority…rebellion against GOD is idolatry Idolatry: 1. Idol worship – The worship of an idol or false gods. 2. Extreme admiration – Excessive admiration or love shown for someone or something Luk 16:19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: Luk 16:20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, Luk 16:21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. Luk 16:22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; Luk 16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off and Lazarus in his bosom. Luk 16:24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. Luk 16:25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. Luk 16:26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that [would come] from thence. Luk 16:27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: Luk 16:28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. Thus we testify for GOD and pray genuinely out of Godly love for all!!! (RG) 4. “But how can people be sent to hell without knowing it’s full implications?” Even if one isn’t fully aware of hell’s anguish, this doesn’t mean our choice is too much to bear. God is ready to equip anyone for salvation (John 16:8): All will be made aware, All Will have freely chosen beforehand!!! Jhn 16:1 These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended. Jhn 16:2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service. Jhn 16:3 And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me. Jhn 16:4 But these things have I told you, that when the time shall come, ye may remember that I told you of them. And these things I said not unto you at the beginning, because I was with you. Jhn 16:5 But now I go my way to him that sent me; and none of you asketh me, Whither goest thou? Jhn 16:6 But because I have said these things unto you, sorrow hath filled your heart. Jhn 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. Jhn 16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: Jhn 16:9 Of sin, because they believe not on me; Jhn 16:10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; Jhn 16:11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged. Jhn 16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Jhn 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. All will be made aware, All Will have freely chosen beforehand!!! Though the full consequences of our embracing or rejecting God aren’t fully apparent to us now, grace to choose responsibly is available to all. What prevents the salvation of everyone? Individuals’ choosing freely to reject God’s grace. We can always resist the Holy Spirit (Acts 7:51 - 60). Act 7:51 Ye stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers [did], so [do] ye. Act 7:52 Which of the prophets have not your father’s persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers: Act 7:53 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept [it]. Act 7:54 When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with [their] teeth. Act 7:55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, Act 7:56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God. Act 7:57 Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord, Act 7:58 And cast [him] out of the city, and stoned [him]: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man's feet, whose name was Saul. Act 7:59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon [God], and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit. Act 7:60 And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep. God doesn’t send people to hell; they freely reject him, condemning themselves by not acknowledging their guilt. (Unto true repentance!!!) 5. “Why didn’t God make the world in such a way that all people would love him?” While a world in which everyone loves God is theoretically possible, it is not feasible. Whatever possible world with free creatures God could create, it may be that none is sin-free, and God’s love isn’t forced. Hell-the absence of God’s presence-exists because, like Milton’s Satan, people would rather “reign in hell than serve in heaven.” God isn’t unloving but rather has gone to great lengths to show grace to everyone. Should God not create at all because many freely resist Him in the world God created and thus deprive many others of the greatest good possible? 6. “Why did God create people He knew would reject and be separated from Him forever?” Rom 9:22 [What] if God, willing to shew [his] wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: Rom 9:23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, 2Cr 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us. 2Ti 2:20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. Hbr 9:21 Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry. Rev 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. Despite God’s desire that all be saved (1 Tim 2:4; 2 Peter 3:9), many still resist. 7. What if some become more resistant no matter how loving God is? Isaiah 5:4; & Matt 23:37? Isa 5:4 What could have been done more to my vineyard that I have not done in it? Wherefore, when I looked that it should bring forth grapes, brought it forth wild grapes? Mat 23:1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, Mat 23:2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: Mat 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, [that] observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. Mat 23:4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay [them] on men's shoulders; but they [themselves] will not move them with one of their fingers. Mat 23:5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments, Mat 23:6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues, Mat 23:7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi. Mat 23:8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, [even] Christ; and all ye are brethren. Mat 23:9 And call no [man] your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. Mat 23:10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, [even] Christ. Mat 23:11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant. Mat 23:12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted. Mat 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in [yourselves], neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in. Mat 23:14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation. Mat 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves. Mat 23:16 Woe unto you, [ye] blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor! Mat 23:17 [Ye] fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold? Mat 23:18 And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty. Mat 23:19 [Ye] fools and blind: for whether [is] greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift? Mat 23:20 Whoso therefore shall swear by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things thereon. Mat 23:21 And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein. Mat 23:22 And he that shall swear by heaven sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon. Mat 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier [matters] of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Mat 23:24 [Ye] blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel. Mat 23:25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess. Mat 23:26 [Thou] blind Pharisee, cleanse first that [which is] within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also. Mat 23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchers, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead [men's] bones, and of all uncleanness. Mat 23:28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity. Mat 23:29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchers of the righteous, Mat 23:30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets. Mat 23:31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. Mat 23:32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. Mat 23:33 [Ye] serpents, [ye] generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? Mat 23:34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and [some] of them ye shall kill and crucify; and [some] of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute [them] from city to city: Mat 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous bloodshed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. Mat 23:36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. Mat 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, [thou] that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under [her] wings, and ye would not! Mat 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. Mat 23:39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed [is] he that cometh in the name of the Lord. 8. Should God not create those who would respond to His love simply because others would refuse it? Luk 11:2 And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth. God’s will supersedes mankind’s will both selectively and collectively; whether we regard it believe it, or fully understand it!!! Luk 11:3 Give us day by day our daily bread. Luk 11:4 And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil. 9. What if God created a world in which a maximal balance of least condemned and most redeemed was realized? This is not unloving. He is all knowing ever present and omnipotent. What we do and decide to do with our Free will is known from the beginning to the end by the Alpha and Omega. He sees from the outside of time and space contingencies and restrains, the boundaries given to man, because our knowledge and wisdom is limited and finite (RG.) Jud 1:21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life. Jud 1:22 And of some have compassion, making a difference: Jud 1:23 And others save with fear, pulling [them] out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh. Jud 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present [you] faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, Jud 1:25 To the only wise God our Saviour, [be] glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen. 1Ti 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 1Ti 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; 1Ti 1:11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust. 1Ti 1:12 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry; 1Ti 1:13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did [it] ignorantly in unbelief. 1Ti 1:14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus. 1Ti 1:15 This [is] a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. 1Ti 1:16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting. 1Ti 1:17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, [be] honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen. 10. “Why wouldn’t God, from the start, make us like heavens saints-loving God while unable to sin?” “Even Angels and heavens host have free will! The Devil and a third of the angels fell for trying to usurp the throne of GOD. Every idol that mankind puts before GOD is at enmity with the only true Holy Creator and only REAL GOD!” (RG.) Exd 20:1 And God spake all these words, saying, Exd 20:2 I [am] the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Exd 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Exd 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness [of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the water under the earth: Exd 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God [am] a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth [generation] of them that hate me; Robust freedom on earth-to embrace freely God’s grace or resist it-is a requirement for arriving at one’s final destiny. Our earthly direction is “sealed” in the afterlife; our heart’s desire is finally granted-God or no God. So God couldn’t have created a heaven-like state in which the redeemed no longer sin without damaging this vitally important freedom. (Or perhaps, rather than “sealing” us from sin in the afterlife, God simply foreknows that no saint will actually freely sin, guaranteeing a sin-free condition in the final state.) Finally, because God has so fully given of Himself to make salvation freely available through His Son, we can confidently entrust any lingering questions about hell to His excellent character. By: Paul Copan ( is in Italicized blue print excerpts) Those in hell have committed the ultimate, infinite sin-not simply a string of finite sins-in rejecting a relationship with the self-giving God. Also, hell is the logical outcome of a mindset to live apart from God-not simply committing individual sins. The punishment fit’s the crime. You want no God, you get no God. There are two kinds of people: Those who say to God, “Thy will be done,” and those to whom God says, “Thy will be done” (C.S Lewis). This bears repeating I missed You (((ALL))); I can finally write again...I sprained my hand so I will be back tracking posts/threads I have only been able to read as yet!!! I hope to catch up on at least some of them!!!

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Merry Christmas Linda Z and to Your Family!!! Thank You for sharing both the magnitude and simplicity of the GIfts only GOD can give us!!!

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TWI didn't write the HOLY BIBLE the Scriptures are HOLY they were in existence long before TWI... Cman The accusation that you make that they separated man from GOD is without foundation. We all were touched in a multiplicity of ways and degrees by TWI's errors and hurt by the TWI abuses but leaving the study and adherence to GOD and HIS WORD and WILL is an inexcusable excuse to cast into GOD's Face as a recompense: 2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake [as they were] moved by the Holy Ghost. Mat 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. !!! Being angry with GOD is a reaction to the abuse of HIS WORD. HE GOD and HIS Word are not the abusers of anyone or anything, but in like manner as TWI's abuses were, GOD is now being abused by many that were abused; and to quote Geisha: I do believe that GOD is now is the hands of angry sinners!!! For as much as the abuses of TWI were cruel, harsh, horrifying, devastating, and debilitating what makes abusing GOD and HIS WORD any better than the abuses received through TWI's abusers or any other abusive system in this world. How do You then not escape being in the same category of abusing as TWI's abuser of GOD and mankind, by rejecting GOD's WORD and WILL for doctrines of men. Such audacity of thought!!! Can anyone judge what GOD does or does not excuse and excuse themselves from GOD's WILL and WORD, constantly bringing forward their TWI's or anyone elses sins without recognizing that GOD is not the problem and neither is HIS WORD and the answer is not Hewing out one's own doctrines and thinking and doing as one pleases. GOD alone is Judge!!! Rom 2:1 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things. I myself am far from perfect but I do not blame GOD for my sins or the sins of others!!! GOD could only be accountable if we were not given free will and we were merely HIS Puppets. Then all err would be HIS responsibility!!!

This is true...Yet it is GOD's desire that You do...You, Cman have made you choice and chosen your way and inadvertently answered all my questions!!! I hope out of HIS Love that You do change to do GOD's WORD and WILL. Peace and I do Love You ((((Cman))))...It is your carnal doctrine that I oppose!!!!

THOMAS Thank You, for Your Beautiful Heart of Love and the Music it holds and shares!!! God Bless You!!! and RainbowsGirl

I am Not Yelling; I am emphasizing FOR THOSE WHO ARE ACTUALLY READING!!!!!!!

Jam 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. Mar 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel. Pro12:15 The way of a fool [is] right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel [is] wise. Pro 21:2 Every way of a man [is] right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts. if it is No boundaries no control that you seek abandon GOD, Run Away from Him Try to Hide, for He authored all boundaries and controls. He is Perfect Righteous Just, and Loving. In fact if all the love of mankind was put together from the beginning of the world to the end of the world it could never come close to GOD's PURE and PERFECT LOVE!!! You cannot escape the Alpha and the Omega. GOD is all powerful and everywhere present. BUT YOU CAN PRETENT ANYTHING YOU WANT TO!!! If You reject GOD's Righteousness and Justice and Lordship over You His workmanship His Vessels, His Clay then You reject GOD and are at enmity with Him. He gave us Free Will to chose: His Way or Your Way; Then you run out of options!!!!!!! Teaching is instruction and we are to teach and instruct for a purpose: 2Ti 3:16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: Pro 12:1 Whoso loveth instruction loveth knowledge: but he that hateth reproof [is] brutish. Pro 15:10 Correction [is] grievous unto him that forsaketh the way: [and] he that hateth reproof shall die. Pro 10:17 He [is in] the way of life that keepeth instruction: but he that refuseth reproof erreth. Pro 1:23 Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you. Pro 15:32 He that refuseth instruction despiseth his own soul: but he that heareth reproof getteth understanding. Job 33:16 Then he openeth the ears of men, and sealeth their instruction, Psa 50:17 Seeing thou hatest instruction, and castest my words behind thee. Pro 1:2 To know wisdom and instruction; to perceive the words of understanding; Pro 1:3 To receive the instruction of wisdom, justice, and judgment, and equity; Pro 1:7 The fear of the LORD [is] the beginning of knowledge: [but] fools despise wisdom and instruction. Pro 1:8 My son, hear the instruction of thy father, and forsake not the law of thy mother: Pro 4:1 Hear, ye children, the instruction of a father, and attend to know understanding. Pro 4:13 Take fast hold of instruction; let [her] not go: keep her; for she [is] thy life. Pro 5:12 And say, How have I hated instruction, and my heart despised reproof; Pro 5:23 He shall die without instruction; and in the greatness of his folly he shall go astray. Pro 6:23 For the commandment [is] a lamp; and the law [is] light; and reproofs of instruction [are] the way of life: Pro 8:10 Receive my instruction, and not silver; and knowledge rather than choice gold. Pro 8:33 Hear instruction, and be wise, and refuse it not. Pro 9:9 Give [instruction] to a wise [man], and he will be yet wiser: teach a just [man], and he will increase in learning. Pro 10:17 He [is in] the way of life that keepeth instruction: but he that refuseth reproof erreth. Pro 12:1 Whoso loveth instruction loveth knowledge: but he that hateth reproof [is] brutish. Pro 13:1 A wise son [heareth] his father's instruction: but a scorner heareth not rebuke. Pro 13:18 Poverty and shame [shall be to] him that refuseth instruction: but he that regardeth reproof shall be honoured. Pro 15:5 A fool despiseth his father's instruction: but he that regardeth reproof is prudent. Pro 15:32 He that refuseth instruction despiseth his own soul: but he that heareth reproof getteth understanding. Pro 15:33 The fear of the LORD [is] the instruction of wisdom; and before honour [is] humility. Pro 16:22 Understanding [is] a wellspring of life unto him that hath it: but the instruction of fools [is] folly. Pro 19:20 Hear counsel, and receive instruction, that thou mayest be wise in thy latter end. Pro 19:27 Cease, my son, to hear the instruction [that causeth] to err from the words of knowledge. Pro 23:12 Apply thine heart unto instruction, and thine ears to the words of knowledge. Pro 23:23 Buy the truth, and sell [it] not; [also] wisdom, and instruction, and understanding. Pro 24:32 Then I saw, [and] considered [it] well: I looked upon [it, and] received instruction. Jer 17:23 But they obeyed not, neither inclined their ear, but made their neck stiff, that they might not hear, nor receive instruction. Jer 32:33 And they have turned unto me the back, and not the face: though I taught them, rising up early and teaching [them], yet they have not hearkened to receive instruction. Jer 35:13 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Go and tell the men of Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, Will ye not receive instruction to hearken to my words? saith the LORD. Eze 5:15 So it shall be a reproach and a taunt, an instruction and an astonishment unto the nations that [are] round about thee, when I shall execute judgments in thee in anger and in fury and in furious rebukes. I the LORD have spoken [it]. Zep 3:7 I said, Surely thou wilt fear me, thou wilt receive instruction; so their dwelling should not be cut off, howsoever I punished them: but they rose early, [and] corrupted all their doings.

If God's love is unconditional we would not need saving. He would just love us all without any conditions regardless of how we acted or what we believed. Unconditional is after all totally without any conditions. In fact then, why would we even need God to love us unconditionally? What I do believe we do need, is to understand God's word and his attributes as well as all of his conditions and his ways; A Directive of God is to study His word in order to know Him and what His will is: 2 Tim 2:15: "Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. I also believe God would state that His love is unconditional; if it were so. "The use of the term, “the unconditional love of God" has roots in hyper-Calvinistic ideology. Theologians who created and espoused the man made doctrine of fatalistic predestination also infected the church with the notion that God's love has no conditions attached to it. This is a convenient doctrine, for it places all of the responsibility in God's hands, while denying that mankind has any part in his or her salvation" "The principles of Calvinism can be summarized in the well-known acronym T.U.L.I.P: T= Total depravity of all mankind. U= Unconditional election (i.e. God chooses us to be saved or damned; it is His unconditional election of the redeemed). L= Limited atonement (i.e. Salvation is limited to those God selects to be saved). I= Irresistible grace (i.e. God's grace is supposedly so irresistible that the elect cannot help but to choose it). P= Perseverance of the saints (i.e. The "Elect' must persevere in their predestined election). One can easily see that the "U" representing "unconditional election" leads to the now popular phrase, "God's unconditional love." "Those who quote Jhn 3:16 to prove the position that god loves everyone unconditionally forget the requirements placed on man by Him. As you read Jhn 3:16-18, consider what God demands of those who want to experience His love. Jhn 3:16-18: For God so loved the world, that he gave His only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world; but the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." http://www.bibleanswerstand.org/unconditional.htm This and Rom 10: 9 & 10 state that God set up conditions in His word for mankind. Conditions for salvation, Forgiveness, for rewards and there are many other conditions throughout the bible and all its administrations too numerous to name. God's Love is greater and higher and more enduring that we can understand: Isa 55:9 For [as] the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. His love is one attribute of God; His love is perfect as well as all the other attributes of God because He is perfect: 1 Jo 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness. Attributes of God and godliness: Exd 3:14 - I am that I am..." Rev 1:8 — "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the ending saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty." God is ever present and omniscient: all knowing Eph 1:4 —"According as He hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love" Rev 19:6 — "...saying for the Lord God omnipotent reighneth. " Omnipotent is all powerful. Mal 3:6 — "I [am] the lord, I change not;..." Psa 138: 2 —"I will worship toward thy holy temple and praise thy name for thy loving kindness and thy truth for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name." Rom 11:33 - "O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are his judgments and his ways past finding out!" An 3:16 — For God so love the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Acts 10:4 — "Then Peter opened [his] mouth and said, of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons." These are merely a few of God's attributes that show his nature and his ways. Attributes of God's love that we are to imitate: Eph 5:1 — "Be ye therefore followers of God as dear children." 1 Jhn 4:18 - "There is no fear in love, but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love 1 Cor 8:1-" ...charity edifieth" 1 Cor 13:1-13 & 13: 8 - "...charity never faileth" 1 Pe 4:8 — "Above all have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover a multitude of sins God's love is perfect, edifying, enduring, never faileth, shall cover a multitude of sins. God know we are flesh he remembers our frame . He is merciful and kind; fore bearing and long suffering; wise, fair and just. God eschews evil — I Pe 3:11-20 (references the Flood of Genesis 6) Psa 103:9 — "He will not always chide or keep his anger forever." God all throughout his word does show his righteous anger (i.e. the flood in Genesis chapter 6. Where 8 souls were saved by water. And Acts 5:1-5 — concerning Ananias and Sapphira.) Love without conditions is not perfect love; it is rather blanket acceptance. God did not create man to hew out his own cisterns: Jer 2:13 — For My people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters,[and] hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns that can hold no water." Cisterns are doctrines, ideologies and religions of man. Romans Chapter 8 states and sets some of God's conditions of his love and salvation. Spiritually we are perfect with the condition that we walk in the spirit and not in the flesh. When we walk in the flesh as we often do we still often need to come to God and ask for His forgiveness...for not meeting His conditions and His ways. God always seems to endure and forbear us in His unsearchable love. He is merciful and kind ... slow to anger He displays His conditions throughout His word. 1 Tim 4:1 &2 — " 1- Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils; 2 — Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron. If God's love was unconditional these scriptures and many others would not matter. If God's love is unconditional why would we need God or Christ Jesus? God surely does greatly love us, beyond our comprehension; Partly, because of what Christ Jesus has done to make us acceptable to him. He brought our eternal life and restored our spiritual connect with God. God has as well loved us before the foundation of the world; but within His own set of conditions throughout all the ages. I don't unconditionally love my old man nature; let alone anyone Else's, and I done believe God does either. That is why I needed God; His ways His love, His conditions, His word, and His salvation. Further,I will be rewarded with crowns and rewards as in accordance to my following his ways and conditions: 1Th 2:19 —"...crown of rejoicing..."; 2 Tim 4:8 — "...crown of righteousness..."; Jam 1:12 — "...crown of life..."; 1 Pe 5:4 — "...crown of glory...". Rom 8:1 [There is] therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded [is] death; but to be spiritually minded [is] life and peace. Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it not subject to the law of is God, neither indeed can be Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. If God's love is unconditional it would be unconditional for saint and sinner alike because he is "not a respecter of persons" and because "He so loved the world." Rom 8:10 And if Christ [be] in you, the body [is] dead because of sin; but the Spirit [is] life because of righteousness. Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. Rom 8:12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. Rom 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: Rom 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with [him], that we may be also glorified together. Rom 8:18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time[are] not worthy [to be compared] with the glory which shall be revealed in us. Rom 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. Rom 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected [the same] in hope, Rom 8:21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. Rom 8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. And not only [they], but ourselves also, Rom 8:23 which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, [to wit], the redemption of our body. Rom 8:24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? Rom 8:25 but if we hope for that we see not, [then] do we with patience wait for [it]. Rom 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings that cannot be uttered. Rom 8:27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what [is] he mind of the Spirit because he maketh intercession for the saints according to [the will of] God. We still need intercession. Rom 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to [his] purpose. Rom 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate [to be] conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Rom 8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified and whom he justified, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. Rom 8:31 What shall we then say to these things? If God [be] for us, who [can be] against us? Rom 8:32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shalt he not with him also freely give us all. things? Rom 8:33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect?[it is] God that justifieth. Rom 8:34 Who [is] he that condemneth? [it is] Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. Rom 8:35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? [shall] tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? Rom 8:36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. Rom 8:37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. Rom 8:38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Rom 8:39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord I believe that In this the Age of Grace we are the born-again sons and daughters of God. We still sin in the flesh; We are still loved and forgiven, but conditionally. God is not a respecter of persons and in all his ways He is fair and just. Vengeance is His. If we do not ask rightly for forgiveness then we are not forgiven. 1 Jhn 1:9 — "If we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." Phil 4:8 — "Finally Brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things [are] honest, whatsoever things [are] just, whatsoever things [are] pure, what so ever things [are] lovely, whatsoever things [are] of good report; if [there be] any virtue, if [there be] any praise think on these things." Truth is irrefutable. There are not twenty thousand true interpretations of an individual truth. Private interpretation is the removal of God's ways and conditions and is a hewing out of cisterns...which are man made doctrines, ideologies and religions. This is not my opinion; Neither is it my point of view. This is what I know and believe as a workman of God's word.

Scripture and verse and example Cman, on that Please???? Mal 3:6 For I [am] the LORD, I CHANGE NOT; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed. Jam 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom IS No VARIABLENESS, NEITHER SHADOW OF TURNING. God doesn't change and you cannot change Him!!! If God were constantly changing (AND HE IS NOT) and has no concern about the varied doctrines, philosophies, pluralistic and universalistic thoughts of men then what do we need him for as we can surely at least evolve to His level in our thoughts doctrines and ways.....NOT...NOT EVER????? Isa 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon. Isa 55:8 For my thoughts [are] not your thoughts, neither [are] your ways my ways, saith the LORD. Isa 55:9 For [as] the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. Isa 55:10 For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater: Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper [in the thing] whereto I sent it. Num 23:19 God [is] not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do [it]? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good? Answer the questions I posted in my posts please Cman and build your scriptural case not your personal opinion please!!!

Scripture and verse Please!!! , Where in GOD's word does it say that anyone or everyone is saved no matter what they think and or do??? Where does it say that ones own private interpretations, doctrines and twisting of sound doctrine along with everyone elses right to do so is acceptable to GOD??? Psa 138:2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name. It doesn't as it is contrary to sound doctrine and GOD is not a designer GOD ...mankinds personal Ken Doll to use to suit your personal thoughts needs and desires...Wake Up and study His Word and His Will !!! You won't find GOD or His Word to back you!!! 2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; Tts 1:9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers. Tts 2:1 But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine: 1Ti 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 1Ti 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; 1Ti 1:11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust. 1Ti 1:12 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry; 1Ti 1:13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did [it] ignorantly in unbelief. 1Ti 1:14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus. 1Ti 1:15 This [is] a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. 1Ti 1:16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting. 1Ti 1:17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, [be] honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen. 1Ti 1:18 This charge I commit unto thee, son Timothy, according to the prophecies which went before on thee, that thou by them mightest war a good warfare; 1Ti 1:19 Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck: 2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 1Cr 14:26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying. 2Sa 7:14 I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men: Pro 19:18 Chasten thy son while there is hope, and let not thy soul spare for his crying. Job 5:17 Behold, happy [is] the man whom God correcteth: therefore despise not thou the chastening of the Almighty: Pro 3:11 My son, despise not the chastening of the LORD; neither be weary of his correction: Isa 26:16 LORD, in trouble have they visited thee, they poured out a prayer [when] thy chastening [was] upon them. Hbr 12:5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him: Hbr 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? Hbr 12:11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby. Deu 8:5 Thou shalt also consider in thine heart, that, as a man chasteneth his son, [so] the LORD thy God chasteneth thee. Pro 13:24 He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes. Hbr 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. Hbr 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? Rev 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; Rev 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. Rev 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. Rev 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: Rev 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and [that] the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. Rev 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. Rev 3:22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Mat 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. Jhn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Luk 11:2 And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth. Bear in mind that:GOD has requirements and prerequisite to standing approved before Him Amen to Your post and Thank You! ((((((((((((Geisha)))))))))))))))!!

Warmest Wishes (((((DrtyDzn))) !!!! I haven't seen you in a long while; I hope and pray that you are well...when I think of all the fine memories of Milw. I always think of You and your Bright Shine, Your Exquisite Heart of Love and the song "In His Own Quiet Way">>>( because when you did things it was in a quiet simple and exemplary way!!! Cheers DD, and May GOD Always Bless and Keep You!!! and RainbowsGirl