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Awesome insight Dot! Thanks so much for sharing your journey with us. What a great reminder to ASK.

Dot, great point, The servant was obviously someone the Centurion cared about and he went to Jesus to ask for healing on his behalf. Sure seems like we can and should do the same for those we care about. Intercession is standing in the gap, we all have gaps and we all need others to pray for us. Paul always asked people to pray for him, he realized he needed it. Don't know for sure but it sounds like something that an Indian person would say. Chuck's been to India twice and seen miracles both times. When people are desperate they have nowhere else to turn but to God. That's how Jesus evangelized, by healing people. They wouldn't have believed his words if he didn't have the goods to prove it. How do we know Jesus was raised from the dead, because He still heals people today. Maybe she died from a broken heart. Yeah, she shouldn't have taken him off the meds. Wisdom is a good thing to seek after when dealing with mental illness, but God is still in the healing business. I don't know about hard fast rules, but I think the Bible was written so we could see what can be done. So if the father asked for help for his son and received it and the centurion asked for help and received it, then we can too. I thought he meant they needed to pray more, like as in being prayed up in preparation for a spiritual battle. When it comes to casting out demons, as far as I've seen, you don't pray them out, you command them. Waysider, Wow. Thanks for sharing that. Dot, If someone tells you prayer is a waste of time, I wouldn't ask him for prayer any more, but that's just me.

You're very welcome. Yeah, I dug it up from the ancient history files. So who was in your WOW family? I remember Gary L. Who else? With me was Lisa S. Debbie S. and Kay S.

Hi Dot, Well since you asked, I think that God is waiting for people like us to seek after the supernatural gifts and annointings like healing and working of miracles. I think he poured it out in the 40s and 50s on the healing evangelists and many of them either had character issues that couldn't handle the annointing or people took them and put them on pedestals as if they were the source of the power and made idols of them. Some of them started accepting the worship and fell that way. The book of Acts says (Acts 2:17-18) I think that if we keep after it, and allow the Holy Spirit to change us and fix our characters and stay humble,giving God the glory, the power for healing and miracle working is there for the asking.

Hi, LU I was just responding (in jest) to a friendly challenge about which corps is on the top. Friendly competition, comic relief from some of the deeper things discussed in the other threads, anyway thanks for being such a good sport.

I've heard/read arguments on both sides of this question. I like what your conference speaker said, I'm with her, whether it's in, on, influencing, demonizing, possesing, controlling, or anything else, I just want it gone!

Hey Fellowshipper, Are you around? There's a pic of you in the Open thread "How do you picture your fellow posters?" It's a scan of a pic in the WayMag from 1976 in VA Beach when we were WOWS.

Hi guys, Just dropped by to tell you that I'm going to put 9th Corps back on top now. See ya later!

Wow, Dooj, another great insight. You seem to me to have a ministry of taking very complicated and convoluted subjects and distilling them down to a very pithy statement of truth. Thanks. At one point I was very tied up in knots over the question of the trinity, how to define the relationship between God and Jesus Christ etc. I got really peaceful and relaxed when this thought similar to what you said above came to me. God knows who He is, He doesn't need me or anyone else to tell Him. What that did for me really helped me get close to Him as God, not as a theololgical construct. Doesn't mean I'm not interested in what the Bible says about Him and who He is, just that it's not my responsibility to define Him, lest I make up a God of my own imagination, and one infinitely smaller and tamer than the God of all creation.

Shifra, read your previous post and thought is was truly insightful. Your perspective makes me think of I Cor. 6:16, 17 Or do you not know that he who is joined to a harlot is one body with her, For the two, He says, shall become one flesh. But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him. Corinthians compares the way we "join" to the Lord "in the spirit" with sexual intercourse.

Congratulations to Mr. and Mrs. Bow jr. and to the proud Mother-in-law. (Now you can start bugging em for grandbabies. (JK, LOL))

Thanks for all the suggestions. I cropped them to make them smaller. Here's a pic taken last week, uh I mean, last year, uh no several years ago. (July16, 1981) And, here's one taken before the invention of the printing press, I believe. I scanned this from the Apr/May? 1976 WayMag. That's me, the dizzy looking girl with the long blonde hair in the front. Right behind me (the guy w longish hair, glasses, brown jacket) is another poster at GS. Can anyone identify his GS screen name? Here's a hint, he lives down under.

It was. That tape from the Advanced Clas was of Lester Sumrall, giving his account of the healing of a 17 year old Philippina girl who was tormented by devils. We have the book. I'd probably sell it for less than $875. (The link to Amazon has only one for $875.00) http://www.amazon.com/true-story-Clarita-V...r/dp/B0007J3JZW Great stuff Dot, keep it coming.

How'd you get my picture? Seriously, I've been trying to upload some pics but every time I upload the screen goes white and says "done" but nothing is uploaded.

The other thing I should mention about this church is that when we started going there I had been trying for years to have another child. I was emotionally wounded because I had a series of miscarriages and wanted very badly to have another baby. I received the healing there that I needed to give birth to our wonderful daughter, Aimee. She is truly a gift from God.

Sorry Dot, I knew that, it was late last night when I posted, didn't mean to imply that you are. It's just that I know I was convinced that those who practice this were "operating devil spirits" because of what I was taught in TWI and thus was very careful about exposing myself to it. Still am.

Hey Dot, Sounds like a great plan. Don't rule something out that may be a great blessing because VP taught it wasn't genuine. Don't think he had the goods to make such a judgment. But you're right to be cautious and take it slow. Sounds like the prophecy about the stuffed animals is a confirmation to not be afraid. I went to a Pentecostal church for quite a while where this was common. The 1st meeting we went to there the worship was great, the teaching was great and then the pastor called people up to be ministered to for something (don't remember specifically what it was for) but people started falling, it was wild. Hubs and I looked at each other and said, it this the Holy Spirit and we both said, yes, this is for real. So we took it slow, didn't go up for ministry for quite a while, just observed. But things were getting fixed in both of us just from being there and watching. It was amazing. I felt things coming off of me, like shame and fear. There was one night when there was a prayer line and I went up. Bennie Henn's wife was ministering and I was standing at the altar with a big crowd of others. I couldn't see where she was but when she got close to where I was in the line I could "feel" her annointing. It was intense. I started trembling. But it I knew it was the real deal because I still couldn't see where she was. She touched me and I went down like a shot. I didn't stay out long but when I got up I was so "drunk" I could hardly walk. I started to get up and I fell down on the nearest chair. It felt so good I can hardly describe it. I know that even in that church many times people went down because it was expected, it's called a courtesy drop. But I didn't go up for prayer every time there was a prayer line,and I think I only fell down two or three times. I wasn't going to just fall, but if the Holy Spirit wanted to put me on the floor I wasn't going to resist though. I was in another meeting at another church where the speaker was ministering on going "in the spirit". There was an incredible atmosphere of heaven in the place. People were having visions of heaven all over the place. I went down when he touched me on the forehead, but I didn't see a vision. But when I got up I started giggling. It wasn't uncontrollable laughter, but just like joy. I staggered back to my seat, having to sit down several times along the way. At the end of the service I was still so "drunk" that I didn't want to drive home. I had to wait a while to get back to my car. I wonder if you can get ticketed or arrested for driving under the influence of the Holy Spirit. I think God allows us to take part in some of these experiences to get a little taste of the atmosphere of heaven. I will also say that I am very cautious about who I will let touch me in a prayer line. So Dot, you're right to be cautious, you don't have to do anything you don't feel comfortable doing, but don't let fear keep you away from something genuine. You'll know. II Chronicles 5:10 (NASB) and when they praised the Lord saying, "He indeed is good, for His lovingkindness is everlasting." then the house, the house of the Lord, was filled with a cloud, So that the priests could not stand to minister because of the cloud, for the glory of the Lord filled the house of God. Haggai 2:9 (NASB) The latter glory of this house will be greater than the former, says the Lord of hosts. Hebrews 3:6 but Christ as a Son over His own house, whose house we are if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm to the end.

Let us know how it goes.

Okay, I'm scared now (JK). ((((((((Dot))))))) You still look great. Your hair's lighter. (The mouth fits you, the better to tell people about Jesus.)

Yes the Hebrew word yaqar in in Ps.116:15 does mean costly. From The Complete Word Study Dictionary Old Testament, Warren Baker, D.R.E., Eugene Carpenter, Ph.D.: YaQaR (3368) An adjective meaning valuable, rare, precious. It carries the sense of being rare in some contexts (I Sam. 3:1). It is used to describe precious and costly stones (2Sam. 12:30; I Kgs. 10:2,10,11); the valuable foundation stones of buildings (I Kgs. 5:17[31]' any expensive building stones or materials (I Kgs. 7:9-11). It is used of the Lord's lovingkindness (hesed) to His people (Ps. 36:7,8) Wisdom is asserted to be more valualbe than jewels (Prov. 3:15). It is used as an abstract collective term for that which is valuable, noble, moral, ethical or worthy compared to what is worthless (Jer. 15:19). In Job 32:26, it is used in a negative sense of the alluring attraction of the moon's splendor as an inviation to idolatry or astrology. The menacing figure in Daniel 11:38 casts his religious affection on the god of violence, honoring it. It may be used in Zech. 14:6 meaning luminaries or lights, but the reading is uncertain, for it could mean cold.

For some reason this UnconditionlelectionSemiTruck reminds me of the song, "The Mystery Train". Anybody remember that, The Mystery train down through the ages it rolled... ? Can't remember the rest of the words...

Wan't there a thread on "manifestations of holy boredom" or something like that. Seems to be a common observation, the repetition and monotony of what were supposedly an inspired message from God. I've been in many different charismatic/pentecostal church services since leaving TWI 20 yrs. ago (well it took about 8 years to get back into anything but ex-way (lets sit around and pretend we're still in Twig ) Fellowships)). I've never seen anyone conduct tongues, interpretation of tongues and prophecy the way TWI did. I've never heard anyone call on someone by name to bring forth a tongue, interpretation or prophecy in a meeting. I don't see it that way in the Bible either. In the Corinthian church every one had something they wanted to "share", a song, a teaching, a tongue, a revelation or an interpretation. If there's a time for the gifts in a service it will come either by someone coming forward and letting the person running the meeting that they feel they have a message to bring forth. There may be microphones set up for that purpose, or if the flow of the service is such, people who are inspired during worship will bring forth inspired words during or after the worship. The person who brings forth the words has to be inspired to bring them or there is no blessing, either to the congregation or to the one bringing forth the words. Once again, TWI in their obsession with leadership controlling everything, had to control and thus to stifle the flow of the Spirit of God in a meeting, and put fear in people. How can you worship freely or concentrate on a service when you're afraid of being compelled to do something for which there is no inspiration and no blessing, either to the hearers to the one forced to bring forth in such a manner. It's so much better when someone is just bubbling forth with a word from the Lord and it comes forth as rivers of living water.

Agreed! (((((((((((Dot)))))))))))) Just have time to make a quick comment here because we just got home from church and are heading back out for some "back to school" shopping for the kids. I love that AA Allen video! God is still powerful and wants to heal people. Dot, I believe that you have a real ministry for healing and working of miracles. I'm so glad you're after it. I know that God will protect you and give you discernment. One of the things we do at church is pray together in small groups of 4 or 5. You never know who you're going to pray with, (except I make sure I'm always with Chuck). Anyway, this moring we turned around to pray with this man and his daughter who looked like 12 but she was 15. Everyone shares what they want to pray for and I asked to pray for my friend (Dot) in At. to find the right church. Anyway, this little girl name Rebecca prayed the most awesome prayer for you and I felt the power of God in that little group. Just wanted you to know that others are praying for you in your search.

That was Dooj! It's a gem.

I'll bite. My "Spirit Filled Life Bible" has this note on I Cor. 12:30 "Do all speak with tongues? Not everyone will manifest the gift of tongues in public worship. Yet, in private devotion everyone is encouraged to express themselves through their spiritual language."