wrdsandwrks

I was out of TWI by then though, I'm fully aware that if I had still be in, I wouldn't be alive today to type this to y'all.

So glad you did get out and that you're here!

Mike made a mistake - Oakspear used that term.

I heard that in certain areas the price of the class fluctuated to as high as $500.00 and as low as $50.00 (that was a "special" price.)

When I took it in 1974 it was $35.00.

I remember trying to comfort her after the night, and her biggest fear was being kicked out of the Corps. She is amazing! It wasn’t the first or the last time that she was berated for what happened to her and for her lack of believing for healing.

I re-reading this I think I need to repent. I don't remember the details of our conversation after she was devastated by LCM's cruelty. However, I'm sure that being the good little wayfer Corps grad that I was, that I tried to rationalize LCM's behavior. I can imagine that I believed and told her that he was just trying to help her "believe" and that he had her best interest at heart. Right! Even though any rational person would recognize that what had just occurred was out and out cruel and unloving.

I should have told her that we should both get the heck out of town right away and get as far away from these un-Christian, hateful people as we possibly could.

But I didn't. Forgive me Lord.

What a bunch of bullies.

I would love to go to one of there teachings today.

Too bad, I think we missed the 65th shindig. Too bad, so sad!

Any thoughts on that? It would have to be a new edition of the book and currently I am forming a small publishing company to move this book as well as others. Since I don't feel that too many at GS greatly admire VPW, though some may, I thought I could get honest feedback here.

Should I go ahead and edit his name out and rewrite it quoting only the doctrinal issues? I can do this.

Eagle,

I haven't read the book, but it sounds very interesting. I think it depends on who your target audience is. I wouldn't remove references to VP to make it more appealing to VP lovers. But if your target audience is way or ex-way people then definitely leave the references in. It seems that it would be a big help to those trying to make sense of doctrinal errors post-way.

If you're going for a broader audience, after all, most people have never heard of TWI or VPW, then it would make sense to relegate him to the footnotes. I could see people scratching their heads, going, VP Who?

The last time I saw Liz she was getting ready to get married to man she met in one of her classes. They were buying a house together in the Bay Area. I've tried to find her by googling her or her husband's name but had no success. I pray that she is happy and well.

She and I both believed that God wanted to heal her and restore her sight. The destructive criticism about "Why aren't you believing?" tore her down so much. I still pray for a restoring miracle to clean up the damage done to her optic nerve.

Does anyone else who was at HQ or Emporia during this time remember Liz? (I think she went by Elizabeth in the Corps.)

This story just breaks my heart.

I understand I was in a similar situation.

I also spent my middle year at HQ for my slave labor training.

It was this time of the year first or second week in Oct.

I worked in Way Builders in the cabinet shop.

One day I got poisoned and ended up in the

emergency room the admitted to the hospital for a few days

Only one person from HQ came to see me.

One call from JT saying I was wrong for being there and

bla bla bla . Maybe if your believing was bigger.

Not being on staff long enough for there insurance to kick in

guess what I get a bill for many thousand of dollars and they say to bad

it's your problem. Even though we poisoned you.

Yes this is the greatest place on earth that has the love of God.

I know first hand and feel for Liz

I don't know to be angry or cry.

((((((((Danny))))))))

I don't even know about the Dr. bills for the surgery. I imagine she was left to fend for herself.

Would this be another case of "the blind leading the blind"?

Yes PB, I think some are more blind than others, and the leaders who were supposed to be servants were expecting to be served and so weren't leaders at all.

More about my amazing friend...

Liz, despite her blindness, was determined to finish her Way Corps training. She is an amazing person and once she puts her mind to something she does not quit. The obstacles for her to overcome were incredible, but she was determined. I saw her at Emporia when I went there to teach. It was heart-breaking what she was going through. Really, thinking back on it, I can’t believe the cruelty of the leadership.

When I saw her at Emporia, she was almost starving to death, I mean that literally. You see, apparently the wonderful compassionate people of the Way Corps were determined to not help her in any way. So she would sit at the meal table and not be able to eat because she couldn’t see the food. No one offered to help her. I couldn’t believe it. I remember sitting with her and helping her by telling her what was on her plate and where it was and she was finally able to eat. She had no training in coping skills that a person who loses their sight normally gets by going to life-skill training classes, so she was completely on her own.

The worst thing I observed when I was there with her was at a Corps night. The poor dear was still wearing her glasses even though she couldn’t see. She still took her Bible to Corps night and tried to follow along. But since she couldn’t see she was not looking at her Bible when LCM was teaching. She was looking up. He noticed her and starting ranting at her about why wasn’t she looking at her Bible. He tore her apart and she was a mess when he made her answer his question. She said she couldn’t see and he tore into her about her lack of believing and how she was weak and she should be looking at the book, yada, yada, yada. It was one of the cruelest things I’ve ever observed.

I remember trying to comfort her after the night, and her biggest fear was being kicked out of the Corps. She is amazing! It wasn’t the first or the last time that she was berated for what happened to her and for her lack of believing for healing.

We got together after we were both out of TWI and had some really sweet visits. She went to school for life-skills and actually made her living as an instructor, teaching blind people how to live life in a sighted world. There are lots of skills that someone like her needed, from how to arrange food on a plate to be able to eat, to handling money, to cooking etc. She was being a blessing to others who recently became blind by teaching them the skills that she found were essential and were denied to her.

please excuse me waw for taking it upon myself to answer a question from another poster.............EB is earl burton............a real little mean wuss of a man.......never the trunk coordinator.......at the time of this gutless act of "spiritual" terrorism....the assistant to the secretary-treasurer of twi back then, howard allen...and member of the glorious president's cabinet!!...........

thanks for "going on the record" here at the spot, wrdsandwrks.................................peace.

Thanks for the clarification, Don. I do think he should be held accountable. I wonder if he even gave it a second thought.

Liz’s Story

I have a friend named Liz C., whom I’ve sadly lost contact with over the years. I’ve hesitated about posting her story because I haven’t been able to find her in quite a few years. But it’s one of those things that keeps coming up in my heart and mind as a hurt that needs to be exposed, one more of the awful charges to be laid at the feet of TWI in the hopes that one day it will be made right before God. It’s not my story, and I’m not the one who was harmed by the insidious lack of love and care for one of God’s own, except as a friend who saw the hurt and felt a measure of responsibility for encouraging her to enter the Way Corps training where this hurt occurred.

I’m also hampered somewhat in the telling of this story by my rather fuzzy memory of the dates and timing of her ordeal. Anyone who was in residence at HQ and Emporia with Liz, (or Liz, if you’re out there please let me know if this is okay.) who remembers more, please fill in and/or correct. Okay, here goes.

How I met Liz

My husband and I, new 9th Way Corps graduates and newlyweds married in the WC weddings were assigned as branch coordinators to the San Fernando Valley, northern Los Angeles. Liz was one of the believers in the branch and she and I and her friend Irma became friends. I remember taking a dance class with the two of them at a local community college. She was a gem of a girl, just the kind of person that I loved spending time with, fun but serious about living a godly life.

Liz Goes into the Corps

I think that she went into the 12th Corps, a year after we graduated, but it could have been the 13th. I remember we were proud to have her go in the Corps from our branch, and I was happy that she was my Corps sister. Everything seemed to be going fine with her until her interim year. She was assigned to staff at Headquarters for her interim year. I’m not sure when the headaches started, but at some point in time either while in residence at Emporia or her interim year at Headquarters she began having excruciating headaches.

Liz Goes Blind while Babysitting EB’s Kids

Liz’s job on her interim year involved babysitting and housekeeping for EB, who I believe was Trunk leader or some kind of mucky-muck high up in the food chain. Liz's headaches kept getting worse. I remember Liz telling me that her head was killing her all day, and she was standing in the kitchen washing dishes when everything went dark. She was completely blind. She called EB and told him that she couldn’t see. He came home and so thoughtfully gave her a ride to the BRC and dropped her off there for dinner. This young girl who was basically a slave in his house loses her sight and he drops her off? She has to feel her way to find someone to help her. Finally she finds someone to help her and she is taken to a hospital.

A catscan or MRI revealed the cause of the headaches and the blindness was a brain tumor. She had brain surgery to remove the tumor, but unfortunately the blindness was permanent. The doctors told her that if she had come in just hours before, they could have removed the tumor before it caused permanent damage to her optic nerve.

There is more to this story, but I’m going to stop here for now. I’ll post the rest of what I remember later. I am livid at remembering this kind of mistreatment for a precious sister in Christ. I remember talking with Liz about what happened. I think she had been to see a Dr. about the headaches but they didn’t want to spend the money on a proper diagnosis so she was treated with herbal teas or some such garbage and probably told to just “believe” to get rid of the headaches because after all it was her lack of believing which was causing them.

Happy Birthday! Best wishes for a great year!

Happy Birthday to you! Hope it's a great one!

Mr. Hamm,

You are funny!

I don't think squirrels are evil, I think they're cute. I did have a kind of scary experience once with one. I was eating my lunch outside at UCLA one day, and a squirrel came right up and jumped on my lap looking for some of my sandwich. I was so startled that I threw the whole sandwich on the ground just to get the squirrel off my lap.

BTW

Are you single? The reason I ask is because I just read an article in the uk telegraph online (it was on the property market in the UK) and on the side of the page was this singles ad from Telegraph dating. She sounds perfect for you. Of course if you're married maybe you have a relative who would like her:

Why should you get to know SuperSquirrel?

I am a happy, chirpy person, with a passion for scampering about and laughing at mishaps and silly things.

Here's the link:

http://dating.telegraph.co.uk/s/view/23857...-dating05070704

God is so good.

My sister just talked to my brother and Shirley has been talking some today and stuck her tongue out at him, TWICE!!!! She also ate some solid food.

PRAISE THE LORD!!!

Also, thanks for the posts and the prayers.

That is great news! I've been praying and will continue to pray for complete healing and restoration for Shirley, and for comfort, encouragement and provision for her and her family.

Many prayers going up for her dear one.

What a sweet picture!

White Dove, Best Wishes for a great day and a great year!

Have a great one Cowgirl!

Happy Birthday Lifted! Here's to a great year!

I was there, I will have to find some pics also,

I do not recall what branch I was in.............this is kinda fun!!!!!

It's kinda like a 30 yr. online reunion.

Thanks for starting this Act2.

How about those 70s clothes, huh? Bell bottoms and lots of hair.

way to go Acts2 ... on ebay ...

yeah, the curly haired red was 9th ... I actually remember her rolling her eyes at a lead gal trying to instruct her on how to use 3 tp squares, funny since that was spoken of in some thread here LOL

Karen Livedal**n

I don't even know how to spell her last name, but she was from Co. and her brother Gary was in my WOW branch in 75 and I believe in the same WOW fam w Fellowshipper who posts here sometimes. He had the same cool curly red hair.

Act2

I found my Advanced Class 77 branch picture and it's now posted in my gallery. I'm on the bottom row, 2nd from the left.

Wordandwrks, ours was by the lake also.

It is now in my gallery.

Great pic. I was in a different branch, but I know (or knew) at least 3 or 4 of the girls in your picture. Which one is you?

I'm thinking about where mine is. I know I saw it recently, I'll take a look for it and scan and post it when I find it.

I have one of those pics of my branch (don't remember what # it was) from AC 77, taken over the pond at Emporia. I'll have to dig it out.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY! HAVE A GREAT ONE GARTH!

hey there wrdsandwrks........no, i was referring to the 55th anniversary of rosie's ministry coming up in october........yeah.....she's way beyond the double nickle in her age bracket.............peace

Be a good time to retire...

Hey there you guys - - -

I know that some of you have been praying for my Cancer situation - and I just got my latest results back last week - (just in time for my 30 anniversary with Mrs. Too Gray... :) ) and I am Cancer free!! for 9 months Now!! I am headed forward for sure !! -

Thanks to all. This has been the MOST remarkable part of my journey in life so far... really. It has been the best thing that has happened to me. My life has turned over - - - and inside out - - and I get to have the rest of my future - see - and I so much want to live it!! Live it like I have been born again, again. I am not waiting for Christ to return - for me, you see, in a way, it has already happened!

Thanks.

Really.

Too Gray, This is FANTASTIC news. Praise God!