wrdsandwrks

Thanks. If you think the info is too graphic, you could just send it to me privately.

In my 25 years as a midwife, I've observed a couple of totally UN-scientific things: People who eat the all American meat-and-potatoes diet ... these folks have more boys. And people who are either vegetarian or junk food junkies ... have more girls.

Sorta makes you wonder about the old wives' tale:

"Sugar and spice and everything nice

That's what little girls are made of.

Snails and nails and puppy dog tales

That's what little boys are made of.

But this is not at all Doc Rawlins' methods. Seems like she taught something about whether or not both mommy and daddy fully enjoyed the intercourse that made the baby. OK. Too graphic? And maybe I'm not remembering correctly. It was such an unusual theory that I'd like to find the actual teaching, so I know I'm not just imagining this.

Shifra, I think a lot of the same info is in the book I posted above. Has to do with acidity, alkalinity, timing and depth of (well you know), and yeah there's the enjoyment factor too, if I recall it's all in there.

I must have missed picture day, I do not recall it and do not see myself

Oh Martha Jacobson ...Where are they now?

She's in San Antonio with her hubby Bill F*ry. I talked to her about a month ago. PM me if you want her phone #.

Gosh you guys look young.

OK, so this may not apply to some of you.

" God hates fairies!"

ok I know while in The Way, I totally shunned any movie or book that had witches, fairies or magic.

I know it's innocent. Kinda like when I was so crass to say ''Jesus wasn't born today, (xmas)". or "There is no Santa Claus"..........People looked at me the way I am reacting to him I guess..... <_< <_<

I think sometimes kids talk about the things they think will impress others kids the most so that may be why they're dwelling on this with your kids, going for the shock value.

But I know my views on "fairy stories" have changed quite a bit in the past few years. C.S. Lewis and J.R.R. Tolkein have convinced me that most fairy or fanatsy type stories are healthy for children and adults and arouse in us "desire" for other worlds, not like ours, in other words for heaven. They arouse hope in us for a another world, not like ours. Here are some quotes from Lewis and Tolkein that have changed my views on the subject:

J.R.R. Tolkein from "On Fairy Stories"

"The peculiar quality of the ‘joy' in successful Fantasy can thus be explained as a sudden glimpse of the underlying reality or truth. It is not only a ‘consolation' for the sorrow of this world, but a satisfaction, and an answer to that question, ‘Is it true?' . . . In the ‘eucatastrophe' we see in brief vision that the answer may be greater–it may be a far-off gleam or echo of evangelium in the real world . . . The Gospels contain a fairy-story, or a story of a larger kind which embraces all the essence of fairy-stories. They contain many marvels–peculiarly artistic, beautiful, and moving: ‘mythical' in their perfect, self-contained significance; and among the marvels is the greatest and most complete conceivable eucatastrophe. But this story [i.e. the Christian Story] has entered History and the primary world; the desire and aspiration of sub-creation [those who write and enjoy fanatasy literature] has been raised to the fulfillment of Creation. The Birth of Christ is the eucatastrophe of Man's history. The Resurrection is the eucatastrophe of the story of the Incarnation. This story begins and ends in joy. It has pre-eminently the ‘inner consistency of reality'. There is no tale ever told that men would rather find was true" (Peculiar Joy and the Christian Story).

C.S. Lewis from "On Stories"

"It would be much truer to say that fairy land arouses a longing for he knows not what. It stirs and troubles him (to his life-long enrichment) with the dim sense of something beyond his reach and, far from dulling or emptying the actual world, gives it a new dimension of depth. He does not despise real woods because he has read of enchanted woods; the reading makes all real woods a little enchanted..."

"And I think it possible that by confining your child to blameless stories of child life in which nothing at all alarming ever happens, you would fail to banish the terrors, and would succeed in banishing all that can ennoble them or make them endurable. For in fairy tales, side by side with the terrible figures, we find the immemorial comforters and protectors, the radiant ones; and the terrible figures are not merely terrible, but sublime. It would be nice if no little boy in bed, hearing, or thinking he hears, a sound, were ever at all frightened. But if he is going to be frightened, I think it better that he should think of giants and dragons than merely of burglars. And I think St. George, or any bright champion in armour , is a better comfort than the idea of the police."

Some time ago, I read an article or maybe it was a film of some kind... anyway, the substance of the piece was a documentation of many individual "conversions" of Muslims to Christianity. I seem to remember the producer of the piece acknowledged that much more than he was reporting was happening, but he was limiting his report to cases where individual Muslim men and women came to personal epiphanies of Christ, spontaneously experienced, often to the chagrin and even horror of the recipients. If anyone knows what I'm talking about (I obviously don't!), then would you post it here? Is it a book or an article or a film? IIR, there were numerous interviews with former Muslims.

Dan, I know I saw a web site a while back devoted to stories of Muslim conversions, many of whom converted when Jesus appeared to them in a dream or vision. I don't have the URL offhand but I'll look and see if I can find it.

I remember Doc Rawlins talking about and writing about how you could choose the sex of your baby-to-be. It was in one of her "Hey God" articles. Does anyone out there still have this? And if so, could you post it, or tell me how to get ahold of it? Thanks.

I don't know about what Doc Rawlins taught but I have a book on the subject. Here's the Amazon link:

http://www.amazon.com/How-Choose-Sex-Your-Baby/dp/038548562X

Hey 11th. I am more or less just hanging around here any more. It's too phuck3d up out in some of the other areas and with all the shots that are taken. I am retreating as I really don't much want to be a part of it anymore. I have too much to do right here in Grand Rapids so why mess around on a internet scale

Hey Out There! I was wondering where you've been. I was thinking I'd send you a PM to see how you're doing. Understand about the retreat, but you should know that you're a blessing wherever you post and you're missed.

Yea, Belle.......................Thanks for more great books to read, I am trying not to hover over the titles as to be directed right to Barnes and Noble!

TYVM

I do feel better gettin this off my conscience, and I forgot to tell ya, it was raining that day..........but still....................

so far, I am not worthy of penance? Come on Socks, get it together!

I need absolving and cleanzing! :unsure:

Bliss, I can relate! Francine Rivers books have that effect on me too. You've probably already done your penance in bleary-eyedness on the following day. So consider yourself absolved.

Once I get involved in a riviting story, I'll stay up all night to find out what happens. I think it's what C.S. Lewis called "sheer narrative lust".

The lastest one that had had this effect on me was Jasper Fforde's "Lost in a Good Book", appropriately named I think.

Glad to know there are other bookworms out there...

Dear (((((((((((((((((Nottawayfer))))))))))))

Perhaps, the merchants have developed a true concern for the the proper date as well; as highly unlikely as that may seem !

I Love You Nottawayfer, RainbowsGirl

I'm sure they would welcome any excuse to move Christmas decorations and especially Christmas shopping to before Halloween. It seems like Christmas marketing in the stores gets pushed back a bit earlier every year anyway.

Good for you! Let us know how you like it.

First, thank you each and every one, for your thoughts and prayers. I feel I know you all to some degree, having posted here since even before Waydale passed on. And I do know some of you personally from back in the day; Kit from way, way back; Vickles from almost that far and Tonto, aren't you 8th kork????? and almost forgot Z-shot from SLC,UT dayze....

2nd, I am home, surgery sucessful and now some bed rest and ice cream and popsicles and fruit smoothies....

I will find out results of biopsy on the mass in 2 weeks or so and will let you all know.

Just wanted you all to know that you touched my heart and I thank my God(and yours) for you all.

So glad to hear all went well! Praying for results to be fine.

Hope you have a great, peaceful rest. Enjoy the ice cream!

Here's a quote I like about preaching the gospel:

"Preach the gospel at all times -- If necessary, use words."

-- Saint Francis of Assisi

I don't think you ever heard about that time I found that Christian getting ready to

jump off the Willis Avenue Bridge.

It was about this time, a year or so ago, late at night.

I talked to him while I moved close enough to grab him.

I got him to talk about his beliefs.

WordWolf:"Are you a Christian? A Jew?"

Him:"A Christian."

WW:"Me too. Catholic, or Protestant?"

Him:"Protestant."

WW:"Me too. What franchise?"

Him:"Baptist."

WW:"Me too. Northern or Southern Baptist?"

Him: "Northern Baptist."

WW:"Me too. Northern Conservative or Northern Liberal?"

Him:"Northern Conservative."

WW:"Me too. Conservative Fundamentalist or Conservative Reformed?"

Him:"Conservative Fundamentalist."

WW:"Me too. Fundamentalist Great Lakes Region or Eastern Region?"

Him:"Eastern Region."

WW:"Me too.

Northern Conservative Fundamentalist Baptist Eastern Region Council of 1893, or

Northern Conservative Fundamentalist Baptist Eastern Region Council of 1912?"

Him:"Northern Conservative Fundamentalist Baptist Eastern Region Council of 1912."

WW:"DIE HERETIC!" *shoves him off the bridge*

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I've noticed that focusing on what we have in common heads off a lot of arguments

among Christians. vpw was fond of starting arguments as quickly as possible,

and inventing as many dividers and "deal breakers" between "US" and "THEM"

as possible. (There ARE no "US" and "THEM", just different Christians.)

Great story, LOL!

There's a quote from St. Augustine that I love:

St. Augustine's prayer:

On essentials unity

On non-essentials liberty

on everything else love

god is GOD ! :)

Excie I think you nailed it.

Cman

Som and Wrds and Wrks had some insight on this I believe.

I will send her a pm and see if she has any insight, but I believe SOM had some really big insight on WHO we are.

Great topic

Hi, Cman and SirGuess, If I'm following what you're saying that the real "you" is not your body or mind but it's an eternal spirit, created in the image and likeness of God.

Those two verses really express it well...

I've been working on "a soft answer turneth away wrath." I've no where near perfected it yet, but I am working on it.

Sometimes people come in here and come across offensive for reasons we don't even begin to know. But if we respond softly, if we give them some room and some time, we may find they are really good people afterall. On the other hand, if we respond in kind, by being offensive, well, it may be our loss in that we may never get to know them, never get to see their softer side, never get to discover what great contributions they may be able to add.

Abi, You are a very wise woman. I want to be like you when I grow up. (Ok, you're probably younger than I am, but I do admire your wisdom.)

I know that while we were involved with TWI many of us were extreemly driven and pressured toward outreach; witnessing, holding fellowships, moving about the country... maybe even compulsively or by constriction we dutifully performed.

Did TWI kill the desire in you to share the gospell?

It did for a long time. But thank God I got involved in a church and got excited about sharing the good news of Jesus Christ instead of trying to get people to take "a class" and/or join my organization.

Will continue to pray for all to be well and a successful surgery and complete recovery.

Law enforcement is missing it's "golden opportunity". Sure, a few kids might get mauled.. officers maimed.. but what if.. what if.

They could covertly train massive armies of these little bits of fury on four legs.. and set them on a mission. Run gangs out of Orlando, Tampa, Detroit..

Or they could send them in to Iran as spies. This is a "real" news story.

Best quote from the MSNBC news story: "Still, the squirrels that breached the Iranian border carrying sensitive spying equipment must have been nuts."

Iran's spying squirrels:

http://worldblog.msnbc.msn.com/archive/200.../20/280529.aspx

I never heard VPW say "I hate the Jews."

However, here is what I did hear him say:

1. The Holocaust was not real.( "If you don't believe it, read the recommended books.")

2. "The Jews of today are not the 'true' Jews."(" The Jews of modern times are descendants of Attila The Hun".)

3. " When God brings Israel back together, he won't use jet planes to do it"

(This was in reference to the establishment of the nation of Israel after WWII.)

4."God gave up on Israel as being His 'chosen people' and that role now belongs to us."(TWI believers)

( Yes, those are quotation marks.)

Nope, never heard him say, "I hate the Jews."

Here's one I heard him say:

5. The US was fought on the wrong side in WW II. We should have sided with Germany against the Russians.

Nope, never heard him say, "I hate the Jews."

Wrds, what sparked this thread was my frustration with the obnoxious behavior of a few (certainly not most) relatively new posters.

When I was in twi I was expected to put up with and even coddle nasty people, whether they came to our twigs or if they were above us in the way tree. Like I said, I do my best to avoid jerks but when I see one barging into the cafe, breaking bottles over the counter and jabbing at people with the jagged edges I tend to get "frustrated".

Being a woman in twi (and a woman brought up with all the Southern expectations of how a lady is supposed to behave) was stifling. Looking back on my thirteen years in the cult, there were so many times I had that gut-level feeling that something or someone wasn't right...in fact was terribly wrong...but hey, who was I to be thinking/saying anything? We were taught early on to squelch our thoughts and words...(don't want to think or speak negatives, now do we)? I had no voice, but I sure do now. Abi brought up that some are finding their voices, even if they are harsh. ( Sorry Abi if I'm butchering your meaning).

I used the term twit-head because I believe if someone leaves twi but never examines the arrogant attitudes that abounded, then the bad parts of twi never left them. It's still there. It's in everything they do.

Tonto, I can certainly understand your frustration, as well as relating to your experience in the cult (and as a Southerner). I felt the same stifling. At the time of our leaving in 1986, after being badgered for years (not by my own husband but by those over us) to be the good little submissive "leader's" wife, I had nothing left of my self. It's been a process.

Our family had a late night at our daughter's gymnastics competition so we slept in this morning and skipped the church we usually attend on Sundays.

But we are going to tune in to the webcast at Harvest Rock church. We used to attend this church, but it's about an hour's drive away so we started going to a more local church. We tune in to the webcast when we can.

It's open to anyone with a computer to visit their live webcast at 11am PST. Anyone interested in joining us at church?

http://www.harvestrockchurch.org/livewebcast.php

For some reason this thread really got to me. I had to take some time off to get a better perspective on it. I'm not sure what sparked the thread, since I'm fairly new here and just learning my way around. I really like what AnotherDan had to say about being a guest here. I remember a teaching I heard once about how when you're a guest you don't come in and start moving furniture around (different context but applicable, I believe) so I won't try to move any furniture. If I do, I'm sure someone will let me know, okay?

I think it's the use of the expression TWIt-head that bothered me the most. To me it's not the same as calling someone a Trekkie because most trekkies that I know like being called a trekkie. But I can't imagine anyone not being insulted by being called a twit.

Here's the wikipedia definition of a twit.

A British slang referring to a silly, annoying, ineffectual, and/or imbecilic person.

An insignificant or bothersome person.

I've seen that term thrown around quite a bit here, and it was used against someone near and dear to me on his first thread that he started. Funny thing, was that he was presenting a doctrine that was different than what VP taught and the people who called him twittish were arguing for what was taught in PFAL. Seems to me that it can be applied to anyone who disagrees with what someone else says. It's too bad, because he no longer posts here and that is Greasespot's loss. I wonder how many other great people decide not to participate.

On a lighter note, here's a funny Monty Python twit skit. On second thought, maybe that was him in the suit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMSic0V-Xww

Dan, Is that your daughter? Well she is beautiful, has a beautiful voice and obviously loves God with her whole heart. Well done (both the song and your parenting)!

my cockatiel "rascal" flew away in mid-january

today we drove almost two hours away to another state

SHE IS BACK HOME !!!!!!!!!

can you believe it ?

these wonderful people (kids, actually) just found her around the first week in august !!!!!

So thrilled to hear about this!

I fell in love with Jane in college and switched my concentration to British Literature.

When I found out about this movie, I got wayyy excited!!!!

Took my daughter Kat and her best friend Ashley to see this today, we are TOTAL fans of Jane!!!

We LOVED this movie...all three of us experienced the laughter, tears, delight in the literature, etc. ....and plan to purchase it.

We were thrilled when quotes from her books were used in dialogue throughout the movie (we kept nudging each other and smiling).

Apparently, we were also among other Jane fans who got the subtleties, as well.

This is a MUST HAVE for serious British Literature fans!!!!

Anyone else seen it???? What did you think???

Hi Cindy! I love Jane Austen too!

I'm sorry to say that overall I wasn't that impressed with the movie.

There were some things that I did like about it, especially the quotes from her books and the similarities of some of the characters to those in her books.

I thought that the way Tom LeFroy was portrayed, that he seemed more like Wickham than Darcy and that Jane wouldn't have fallen for someone like him. I did like the casting for Tom, I think he fit Jane's description of a good-looking Irishman perfectly.

I also wasn't that taken in by the atmosphere of the movie, set, music, costumes, Anne Hathaway's portrayal.

But maybe I need to see it again. When I first saw Pride and Prejudice with Keira Knightly, I didn't like it (but I always loved the soundtrack). However, I've seen it several times now and it's growing on me. Did you see P&P, what did you think of it?