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Hey cman. I thought the scripture you shared seemed like closure to me. Pardon me for appearing to "bail". I thought Dot and Wrds were very eloquent in what they had to say. If I didnt address specific questions you had, I apologize. If I didn't directly answer questions, it was because I felt someone else covered it and thought there was no need to repeat it. Is there something I can do for you?

ok, how do I share that record without sounding TWItish. I thought I got rid of all my TWIthood. Seriously.

John 8 Jesus is teaching in the temple and the Scribes and Pharisees bring in a woman caught in adultery and "set her in the midst". Verse 5 says, Now Moses in the law commanded us, that she should be stoned: but what do you say? Verse 6 This they said, tempting Him, that they might accuse Him. BUT JESUS STOOPED DOWN, AND WITH HIS FINGER WROTE ON THE GROUND, AS THOUGH HE HEARD THEM NOT (He was not going back to the "files of his mind" or contemplating eating kippersnacks with Dave B@dard) In other words, He didn't go "mental". Jesus was shifting gears and getting His mind out of the way so He could access the spirit realm. A person has to be at peace to enter in. Remember, it is the "still small voice". Verse 7...He who is without sin among you.... How can that answer come from his mind? Jesus reached out and took the revelation. Revelation is spiritual information you cannot know by your senses or mind. It is spiritual. Jesus fulfilled the Law and introduced love. Love came from heaven and not His mind. Jesus didnt work the Word beforeehand and wait for the opportune moment to teach this new material. This is one of my favorite records. He showed mercy instead of judgement. Jesus commuted her death sentence and gave her a new life. Scribes and Pharisees were hung up on the knowledge of the Law (in their minds) and carrying out the law in the physical. Jesus waxed spiritual and received the revelation of Love. It is important to study the Word. It is important to carry out the Word with Love.

Waysider - you are absolutely right. the spirit should take dominance... Food for thought - Fellowship with God= when the soul and body are submitted under the authority the spirit The cake analogy was really good, too. Got milk?

Sorry but you lost me. Are we talking about the spirit of man or the manifestations?

9 does not equal 1. The verse doesnt say "one and selfsame soul". Please explain or start a new thread on "one". I dont have a clue how you are associating "one" with the topic of S,Sand B. Please teach me. Signed, Worshipper of the Greek text (sarcasm)

That is true "Post 37". There are parallelisms (synonyms)in verses in the bible. There are different words in verses that mean the same thing but not in spirit, soul and body verses. "Psuche" and "pneuma" in the greek are in the same verses and are not related or have the same meaning.

My question is, if soul and spirit are the same and there is no difference, then why all the verses with soul and spirit, and why different hebrew and greek words for each? Hebrews 4:12...dividing asunder soul and spirit... If they are the same how can they be divided? spirit is the part of man that deals with the spiritual realm. It is this part that knows God soul is the part that deals with the mental realm. Mans intellect and will and emotions. This part reasons and thinks. body is the part of man that deals with the physical realm (obviously) I Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not (does not understand) the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them because they are spiritually discerned (understood). T- perhaps we should spend some time and pray together and I will show you. Speaking in tongues bypasses the mind. That is the foundation of "the 9". One does not interpret or prophecy with the mind... It is spirit to mouth, spiritual utterance. It is all spiritual operations not mental excercise.

"With my body I contact the physical realm. With my spirit I contact the spiritual realm and with my soul I contact the intellectual realm". Kenneth Hagin I Corinthians 14:14 says, For if I pray in an unknown tongue my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful (unproductive)... The soul is your mind, abilities, emotions, intellect James 1:21....and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls. Psalm 23:3 He restoreth my soul... Our souls get saved by renewing our minds. Romans 12:1,2 The renewed mind has nothing to do with the spirit. We were mistakenly taught to try to be spiritual with a verse that was designed to focus our minds on the Word in order to conduct ourselves scripturally and not according to fleshly desires. Soul is soul and spirit is spirit. The greek word psuche is a common word for soul and pneuma[] is a common word for spirit. There are other words and meanings for both. I spent years in the spiritual wilderness, learned through private prayer time and ministering to literally hundreds of others, how to bypass my mind and walk out on revelation. It is always a work in progress. The more you do it the better you get. To know how to bypass the mind one must understand the different ways revelation comes to your spirit.

Let me try to re-explain the "revelation" aspect of what I said in my last thread. What I was trying to say is not the same as the great principle (gp). The GP, to me is like a formula for the revelatory process which occurs rapidly. In the span of time, revelation can come very rapidly and one must be very locked in to get it. The gp does include the involvement of the mind. What I explained is that revelation (spiritual information) comes from God to your spirit. It BYPASSES the mind. For instance, when I minister to people, I am "in the spirit". I do not engage the mind. the revelation goes from spirit to mouth. I speak the revelation out without thinking about it. Thats why I love to SIT out loud so much. It cleans out the mind and gets us out of the flesh and into the spirit so we can minister effectively and see people delivered and healed. I teach a class on "how to minister healing". A large portion of the class is spent on revelation. The success of our lives hinges on what we do with the word of knowledge and the word of wisdom and discerning of spirits. God speaks to us more than we know. The catalyst is the Love of God. That is for another thread. Later, I want to continue on from my last thread and discuss the usages of the spirit of man I typed earlier.

Usages of the "spirit of man" The spirit of man is a lamp unto the Lord. Prov. 20:27 Who knows the spirit of man which goes upward... Ecclesiastes 3:21 With my soul have I desired thee in the night, yea, with my spirit within me, I will seek thee early...Isaiah 26:9 The burden of the word of Jehovah for Israel, saith Jehovah, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him. Zechariah 12:1 And her spirit came again, and she arose straightway: And he commanded to give her meat. Luke 8:55 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit. Acts 7:59 For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of His Son...Romans 1:9 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; I pray God your whole spirit, soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. I Thessalonians 5:23 Hebrews 4:12 OK, who doesnt know this by memory! But there is a spirit in man, and the breath of the Almighty gives him understanding. Job 32:8 There are more verses. My point to this whole thread is that man is a three part being and not "dualistic". "Man is a spirit being, possessing a soul and living in a body. When man is born again, The Holy Spirit enters our spirit and dwells there. We are not just body and soul and God's Spirit becomes our Spirit. It is HIS Spirit. Man and God "interface spirit to spirit. Revelation is spiritual information. Spiritual information does not go to the mind. It bypasses the mind and goes directly to your spirit. That enables a person to walk by the spirit without the stupid mind messing it up. We are not walking by the spirit when the mind is involved. We do draw from information in the mind but the mind is not the source of revelation. Your mind does learn but the interaction with God is spirit to spirit. It is late.

I think everyone here has tremendous insight. More importantly than trying to prove who is doctrinally correct, I see hungry hearts genuinely engaged in sharing about Godly things. I am touched by that. My hunger was ripped out of me after POP and CG clergy meeting. It took me YEARS to get back a hunger for God. I saw friends go down, give up and fade away. Because I was tore up, I sat back and watched Satan divide a body of the greatest teachers and servants of the Lord I ever knew. I saw my best friends turn against me because we didnt believe the same doctrine. Remember someone said, "I have no friends when it comes to the Word?" I thought, "they have no Word when it comes to their friends". What happened to the unconditional love of God. We may not believe some of the same things, we do agree on a majority of the Word. At least we could still pray like minded prayers. Despite doctrinal differences, we still have the ability to reach a lost and dying world...together. I lost track of my closest friends. Some I havent seen in twenty years. One is still in TWI. Knowing this man's heart like I did, it is still beyond my comprehension why he remains. My prayer for all in GSC is, "may the Holy Spirit re-ignite the flame of passion for God our Father and His Son Jesus Christ. Instill a HUNGER in us again and HEAL OUR HEARTS. Hearts be healed in the name of Jesus Christ. May we rise up again as a body of teachers and servants boldly proclaiming that Jesus is the Lord. The harvest is plenteous and the laborers are few. Lord, let us once again get in the spiritual battle and raise up a HUNGRY generation who will stand on the Word of God". Love to you all.

I haven't been called a fool that much since I was in high school. I am not as fast as I used to be. It was lots of fun. It IS addicting!

DOT ---- Glory to God. I am blessed that you had a peaceful day at the dentist. You have the Prince of Peace with you and in you. When I read your latest sharing, I thought of the different names of Jesus in the Bible and how He takes care of us in so many ways. His names represent what He is to us. His name is Wonderful (still love that song, too)...Mighty Counselor, Our Rock of Salvation, our High Tower, Redeemer, Savior, Immanuel... He is our everything and our Loving Lord. And to think He suffered, died and rose for us. He loves us. I pray for more and greater victories in your life, Dot. May your ministry and love reach the nations!

Dear Sir, That was AMAZING insight and heart. I am going to checkout your original thread. Also, I owe Lone Wolf a response. Lone Wolf your latest was insightful, too. Very logical. I have been busy with work and family and need some time to look into more bible but will respond ASAP.

Listener - I accept your apology and please accept my apology for being short with you. You are entitled to your opinion I was just surprised to have someone react to what I shared because I was speaking directly to Bol.. the starter of the thread who was looking forthe insight and experience of others concerning prayer. I have only been on GSC for a month and am not familiar with the "rules of engagement". My prayer life is anything but somber.

And how long have you known me or spent time or prayed with me to judge that my prayer life is cut and dried or religious. You have know idea who I am or what I am about. Sooo...I wont qualify myself or explain my life Maybe your thinking is to linear to have any understanding about what I said. You are entitled to your opinion

PFAL and Int. 1975 Advanced Class 78 at Emporia Corps 1978 Ordained 83 Resigned assignment Dec. 86 after the Passing of a Predator (POP) and CG armed and dangerous October clergy meeting left early 87 Oh. Married in Corps weddings 81 and still married!

Yes. The Father does love music. In fact, ALL of the music should be directed in praise and worship to Him. Isnt that why music was invented? I thought I read in another thread that BG Leonard called TAKIT music the music of Baal. Thank God for His grace and mercy in our lives for we all have fallen short.

I didn't say that every man is born with Holy Spirit. You might want to go back and read the whole thread. Do you study on your own or do you repeat what you heard in PFAL?

Yes. But, soul is soul and spirit is spirit. Soul is not spirit. VP taught we received no spirit until we were born again We are all born with spirit, soul and body

The purpose of our lives is to worship God and have a close personal relationship with Our Heavenly Father and His Son Jesus Christ. The priority of a persons prayer life is to have a "hot" PRIVATE prayer life. One should only pray publicly if they are inspired or led by the Holy Spirit to do so. I so hated having to do tongues with interpretation in meetings when I didnt feel inspired to but was called upon to "bring it forth". Thats because it wasnt right. since I left the Way, I have never been in a prayer meeting where the pastor or leader TOLD someone to pray. A spiritual leader should be spiritual and a leader. The Holy Spirit is in charge. If one has a good private prayer life, praying and operating tongues, interpretation, etc. will just FLOW. We praise God for what He has done for us. We worship God for who He is. We enter into His presence and enjoy His presence. The Lord wants us to pursue Him in prayer in tongues and with our understanding. I think there should be a balance of both. SIT is important because it is spiritual prayer. I enjoy singing in the spirit and with my understanding. Prayer should be very personal and private. We are also to pray together as a body.

We need to be careful when we talk about Angels and their authority and function. VP doctrine has been compared to new age beliefs. VP taught the Holy Spirit is an "it". Wrong. The Holy Spirit is God. God is not and "it" The OT prophets had the Holy Spirit upon them. They received and "anointing" of the Holy Spirit and the anointing was for service. Devils possess and Angels don't. Devils will try violate a persons free will. Angels never will. Angels are ministering spirits and they don't possess people. As I said before, we must operate "discerning of spirits" when we are dealing with the presence of spirits. The OT prophets knew the Holy Spirit came upon them. They did have angelic help. Angels are also warriors. It is hard to be dogmatic when you read Isaiah 11:2..the seven Spirits of God... theres that number 7. the "sevens" are also mentioned in the book of Revelation. There are at least three different interpretions of what they are. Some think Angels. I believe they are the Holy Spirit. I hope I addressed above issues. This is great dialogue. I appreciate and consider all the input.

The Spirit of God and the spirit of man are two different entities. When we get salvation, God's Spirit comes and dwells in us in our spirit. Christ in you. We get his in dwelling presence. you said... spirit and soul are two different entities. Adam lost his spiritual connection to God (revelation and walk) relationship was lost and introduced sin and death to the world. Please explain to me what "attitude of mind" is and how it has anything to do with the spirit. There is a spirit realm and when can enter in to the presence of God through worship, prayer, etc. The Way with all of its "mind" doctrine really warped our brains. Bottom line it is new age stuff. We study and have knowledge but our power source is in the realm of the spirit. We were taught in the way that anything spirit was always from the devil spirit side of things. The only way we know about the spirits is through discerning of spirits. I am enoying this thread with you.