ChattyKathy

Enjoy life dude!

Have fun on your day!

Good to see you around these parts.

Rascal, You were a delight and I await the day that one of your horses joins Rosie and sings us a song. ;) I'm thankful the podcasts are available to listen to after the show for those of us that missed it.

I'm thankful you got away from them and found your joy before you left this earth. Keep The Fire Burning

I was hoping you'd shine through with what I knew you understood, you know I've loved to fight with you since day one, and you gave me exactly what I knew you had inside you in this post Groucho. (((((you)))))

Thanks RG. But hubby has been out of town this weekend and will be pulling in right around 5 so I know I can't join in tonight. Have fun. :)

I won't be joining tonight. Hope y'all have fun. I'll enjoy the recording once available on talkshoe later.

I especially liked that last one. :)

And some of us had to acknowledge it was not all evil and stop dwelling on the evil to get to the point where we no longer consider ourselves a victim. I guess that is why I no longer feel I should participate in this part of the web site because moving on for me means not repeating the same thing over and over again. So on that note, I thank you for the conversations folks, and Catcup for how you seemed to understand my intent, especially in this last post of yours, and my best to you all.

Very cool! I heard an interview with him once with him talking to aspiring musicians and the man is just pure gold he is.

Catcup, You get me! Thank you for that. Kathy

Your use of romaticize comes across to me as a means to throw guilt or shame towards the person who had good experiences. Surely you must get my point Groucho. You are not a one sided individual and I know that. And if you honestly believe that everyone here that has been helped was done so because they abandoned all their good memories in exchange for ones stating nothing good ever came from their time while in twi you are kidding yourself, again I state you are not a one sided individual. But if that is the requirements to post in this part of Paw's forum then you can have it dear. Because I refuse to state the negatives over and over and over again because it is not healthy for me. And this is not twi where I have to abide by their rules of giving myself over to another's pleasure. I'm using the free will I have been given to take care of me for a change and I will not become bitter and give up my memories of good. See ya dude!

Hmmm, for some reason I can't open that link Rick. Although I think you showed me it before, didn't you.

post in that white box then click on shout

look above and see us talking

BB is an incredible man. I never had the pleasure of seeing him live but even in his concert where he had to sit down and play and was notably aging he was the best according to our buddy Rick who saw him not too many years back. In fact not to tell tales out of school but Rick said there will be two days of terrible mourning for him some day, one when his mother passes away whom he loves and respects and one when BB has played his last chord and closes his eyes. But back to Ronnie, he is very relaxing to listen to, just puts you at ease with his playing. Thank you again for bringing him here to us.

I suspect that some are biting their tongues to point out to me how I came in here July of 2002 and cried of my loneliness after walking away from a life I had known for close to 20 years and see poof while nearly all my friends were gone. I spoke of their evil ways and was obviously a very broken person. I was embraced and aided and it was a healing balm unto my soul. But I was also allowed to speak of the things I still held precious while in the way. Why I don't know, I use to think because I was friends with John and Hope and that the respect towards them extended to me. I just know I was not beaten on when I shared the positive. But things have changed and that is not extended to more than a few new folks that crossed our path. They also didn't stay long and that is sad, they could have been helped with the rich experience and helpful knowledge this group holds.

I experientially know rape in the way and how it can cause you to put a gun in your mouth. But you see my dear Dooj, I also experientially understand survival beyond it also and one that even includes thankfulness for the good that I gained while there. And I am not special, not unique in any way so I know it can be done and I know that it has allowed me to still have some tenderness towards others. Tenderness that is real, not forced. And I will not give up that to become bitter because a sister or brother has had a bad, even rape, experience because ones life does not consist of only a time in life. It consists of many times in ones life. Its not cruel hearted to hold onto the good, nor is it betrayal. We all left twi for a reason and thank God we did. But we don't aid all that come here by telling them they really had no good experiences while in twi, we don't aid them at all. And thank you for replying to me. It speaks highly of you.

Hi dear one.

It made me think of Lucille and BB King. :)

Very peaceful player. Thank you. I wonder if his woman or his guitar is named Donna? :)

I really didn't want to address you but wtf. I do not begin to accuse ones that were hurt or killed as not believing or negatively believing or any of the other stock phrases leadership used against us. And I 100% agree that after the first incident of serious injury or rape or of course death that the program should have been stopped in its tracks and if continued done in a way where the risk factors were removed. You didn't have to climb or repel to know how to live according to God's will. That can't be backed up in the word. The closest is in speaking of treating your tabernacle (earthly body) with respect for your benefit not for another's. So my coming into this thread in the first place was not to praise the LEAD program but to acknowledge that regardless of the program, event, class or whatever it was if someone comes in and says they had some good experiences or they still cherish something they were taught (that was right on) then more times than not they are made to feel as if they should be ashamed of themselves that they dare speak of something positive. But if they come in and tell of their horrors and speak as if from day one of being introduced to twi it was nothing but one huge nightmare, but h3ll they joined the corps and stayed around for 10, 20 years but dagnabit it was pure h3ll the whole time then this person is embraced. How is my hiding my joyful times because you had a bad time going to profit either of us. I guess the saying miserable comforters would be one way, yet there is no profit there, if it aids at all it is incredibly temporary and does not help the one hurt to move away from the memories and pain. It instead teaches bitterness and continues to open the wound and pour salt into it. I can tell you a hundred different ways that someone has had to endure tragedy and heartache. So am I to stop living for them? And I to carry their pain and give up what times of joy I have had? Is that the way people are to live their lives? Who of you can reply back to me that I continue to cry of my experiential monsters I faced my entire life? Who? Can one of you say oh yes Kathy you wear your misery quite well dear? Knowing that NO ONE can reply to that I now ask you why can I not be replied to? Because I had roses and peaches my whole life? Yeah right! Or because I have some special link to God that no one else has? Yeah right! Or that I live a cushy life so it helps erase all the pain I've experienced? Yeah right! I do not continue to repeat the same thing over and over because IT PROFITS ME NONE. It keeps me in bondage. It keeps the wounds open. Who is worthy of my continuing to live miserably? If God does not ask me to live that way then who has the authority to ask that of me? NO ONE that is who. People come here for many reasons. I think many come for answers and healing. But there are some here who welcome them one day then the next day when they dare speak positively about something that one of our brothers in Christ speak of their horrors regarding then they are made to be ashamed they don't go out to the wailing wall and get on their knees and ask for forgiveness that they dared to speak of a positive experience. That is just wrong. No matter how you slice it, it is wrong.

It's why I don't frequent this part of the web site much anymore. This thread kept showing up as the last one posted to on the General page and it caught my attention and I thought I would stumble in here and read it. But the fact is that despite my personal h3lls while with that group there are things I am still thankful for, experiences I still cherish and I'm exactly where I am today because I had some of them to go through. Which does not mean I would return to them, nor does it mean I think they are a godly group. But I did have positive things that I refuse to apologize for or to subtract from my memories because another person had bad experiences. If I were to take away all my good experiences because someone else had a bad experience I would become bitter and I refuse to go in that direction. Because some of us had blessings does not mean we support twi, it simply is the truth and the fact that we should be ashamed and hide it has been a good part of running me out of this part of Paw's web site.