penworks

Here's an idea: we each drop out of this topic and go read a book.

Mike, just so you know, VPW even said himself that his writings were fallible. Here you go ....

PFAL book page 83: "Not all that Wierwille writes will necessarily be God-breathed; not what Calvin said, nor Luther, nor Wesley, nor Graham, nor Roberts, but the Scriptures--they are God-breathed."

11 minutes ago, Mike said:

Hi Charlene,

We’ve chatted a little here a few years ago, and we knew each other only by face back in the Groovy Rye days, as well as HQ. As time permits I’ll have to check out your book.  I do respect your skills.

What you say is true, that I am keeping myself within a very contained world view. This is very deliberate on my part, but you are wrong in your supposition that I fail to learn and expand.

My Way Box is a lot different from yours. There are similarities, though, and I’d like to explore them. Where can I get your book? 

See, I just came out of my customized Way Box via the secret back door to take in information contrary to my deliberately chosen world view. I did this same thing ALWAYS in the 1970. while you were practicing the opposite technique of learning, and staying inside your Way Box. Did your box have a secret back door back then?

In the 70s I’d go witnessing about JCNG (even before the book was written) to ministers of conventional churches JUST to get a thorough overview. I wanted to be VERY sure about the Trinity. Sometimes I was in tears driving home, because they had studied their position well. It was very hard to get a rounded spiritual education back then. No other grads would join me in these endeavors.

I made my deliberate decisions back then to follow ideas that proved out to be solid, not the latest bandwagon issues coming down from leadership. I saw many WaYBoxed grads follow their emotions, do very blittle research on their own, and fall into leadership worship.

If you’ve been reading my recent posts here, I’ve dropped many comments that show I’ve been educating myself in many surprising ways all along, still am, and my deliberate decision to stay within the city walls God has provided me is an intelligent one.  What I post I can back up, and can show it is more consistent and more commplete than most posters here, and maybe even yours.

All that I posted about the 3 kinds of research above is correct, and I can post the places where we were taught it. It just didn’t quite all sink in for us all back then, and we forgot a lot. I search the records to refresh my understanding of what we were taught. It’s much better than memory.

I only arrived at my present world view  in 1998. It’s a lot different than how I thought in the 70s and 80s. I those days I vaguely thought there were some sections of the 1968 film class that were either God-breathed or “straight prophesy” but I didn’t know how to find where each such section would begin and then end. It never occurred to me that it was just an introduction to the printed publications.

My new 20 year old customized Way Box is tight and useful. I fine tune it daily.

Undertow is at Amazon and Barnes and Noble.

Peace.

14 hours ago, Mike said:

 

You simply did not understand what they meant. Let me try to translate.

 

There are three main types of research VPW taught us about, but most of ue (ME INCLUDED) were not sharp enough to get it. He did put it all in the record, though, so we can recover it.

The first type of research is OBTAINING the Word. During the period of time before October 1942, VPW’s scholarly research  brought him to the correct conclusion that the Word was buried, and that ALL existing ancient and modern Biblical texts were merely tattered remnants of the irrecoverable originals, and entirely DEVOID OF AUTHORITY.

This correct conclusion of VPW’s in 1942 has been a major thesis of mine here, and I can back it up profusely.

The reaction VPW had was to quit, and to inform the Father that he needed something solid to continue in the ministry. God accommodated him and showed him how to OBTAIN the Word through 5-senses research where possible, and then receiving revelation when necessary.

That was the kind of research VPW did.

For the second type of research VPW also encouraged us to so SIMILARLY (but not identical) where a small few (like Walter) would assist him doing many similar 5-senses research tasks, minus the main revelation guidance. VPW also encouraged the rest of us grads to do so SIMILARLY with the 5-senses research in order to gain a trust in the ministry and in the OBTAINING process that was going on.

The more Word that was obtained each year meant more put into book and magazine form.

The third type of research VPW also encouraged to do was to apply all the same 5-senses techniques, but to turn them on the collaterals of book and magazine form. This encouragement started as the OBTAINING process started to wrap up. In 1979 VPW strongly demanded that all Advanced Class grads to master RHST, and on the tape it's obvious that he was very unhappy that NONE of them had done it yet. By 1985 in his last words to us he twice pointed to written PFAL as what all grads need to master, ESPECIALLY top leadership.

The OBTAINING type of research is what we were told was pretty much done as that project came closer to a successful conclusion in 1985.

 

 

 

What an amazing way to keep the propaganda going ... with more propaganda! With posts like these, you keep yourself and others from climbing outside the TWI box and learning new things, like what research really means. Your spouting off about VP's so-called research would be funny if it weren't for the fact that it shows how some people are still very delusional when it comes to understanding what VPW did. To me, this is a sad reminder of the damage he caused.

Penworks.

P.s.  My real name is Charlene Edge and my personal story of being on the research team in The Way can be found in my book, Undertow. 

13 hours ago, Mike said:

 

You simply did not understand what they meant. Let me try to translate.

 

There are three main types of research VPW taught us about, but most of ue (ME INCLUDED) were not sharp enough to get it. He did put it all in the record, though, so we can recover it.

The first type of research is OBTAINING the Word. During the period of time before October 1942, VPW’s scholarly research  brought him to the correct conclusion that the Word was buried, and that ALL existing ancient and modern Biblical texts were merely tattered remnants of the irrecoverable originals, and entirely DEVOID OF AUTHORITY.

This correct conclusion of VPW’s in 1942 has been a major thesis of mine here, and I can back it up profusely.

The reaction VPW had was to quit, and to inform the Father that he needed something solid to continue in the ministry. God accommodated him and showed him how to OBTAIN the Word through 5-senses research where possible, and then receiving revelation when necessary.

That was the kind of research VPW did.

For the second type of research VPW also encouraged us to so SIMILARLY (but not identical) where a small few (like Walter) would assist him doing many similar 5-senses research tasks, minus the main revelation guidance. VPW also encouraged the rest of us grads to do so SIMILARLY with the 5-senses research in order to gain a trust in the ministry and in the OBTAINING process that was going on.

The more Word that was obtained each year meant more put into book and magazine form.

The third type of research VPW also encouraged to do was to apply all the same 5-senses techniques, but to turn them on the collaterals of book and magazine form. This encouragement started as the OBTAINING process started to wrap up. In 1979 VPW strongly demanded that all Advanced Class grads to master RHST, and on the tape it's obvious that he was very unhappy that NONE of them had done it yet. By 1985 in his last words to us he twice pointed to written PFAL as what all grads need to master, ESPECIALLY top leadership.

The OBTAINING type of research is what we were told was pretty much done as that project came closer to a successful conclusion in 1985.

 

 

 

What an amazing way to keep the propaganda going ... with more propaganda! With posts like these, you keep yourself and others from climbing outside the TWI box and learning new things, like what research really means. Your spouting off about VP's so-called research would be funny if it weren't for the fact that it shows how some people are still very delusional when it comes to understanding what VPW did. To me, this is a sad reminder of the damage he caused.

Penworks.

P.s.  My real name is Charlene Edge and my personal story of being on the research team in The Way can be found in my book, Undertow. 

Thanks for giving the context of that letter's impact, DWBH.

I happened to be at HQ when you guys sent it out. I did not see a copy then. I hadn't seen it until 10 minutes ago. When you wrote it, I had already resigned from the Research Department (all that drama is in Undertow) and I was sewing draperies in the OSC at the other end of the hall. I was also trying to gain some sanity by attending college classes at OSU in Lima and packing up my stuff to get the hell away from HQ that August. I wish you and I had had a chance to talk then ... 

I know how hard it is for anyone who wasn't around at that time to grasp how chaotic the whole shebang was. Over the years I've tried to paint the picture for former Wayfers and for outsiders who never heard of TWI. The best analogy I have so far is to say it was like a tornado came through a small town and demolished a lot of it. A few survivors tried to rebuild using the same kind of original materials, but some of the people who closely examined the situation discovered that the original materials were rotten to begin with. They decided that the best use of their time and energy was to rebuild other kinds of houses elsewhere.

Thanks, Chockfull, for providing that link.

Undertow is also available at Barnes and Noble. Independent bookstores and public and university libraries can order it easily, too. The ISBN is 978-0-9978747-0-9.

NEWS UPDATE:   Part II of the American Studies blog interview is now published at http://blog.asjournal.org/escaping-fundamentalism-interview-charlene-l-edge-part-ii/

Cheers!

Here's a bit more detail:

ICSA was never bought by Scientology or any other organization.  ICSA has always been independent.  In the 1990s the Cult Awareness Network (CAN) was driven into bankruptcy as a result of law suits.  Scientology or individuals associated with the organization obtained certain assets of CAN in the 1990s.  See this article for a detailed history of the cult awareness movements in North America: http://www.icsahome.com/articles/changes-in-the-north-american-cult-awareness-movement”

After doing some research, I just found out that the group you're referring to, Thomas,  was Cult Awareness Network (CAN). That's was a different group.

22 hours ago, Thomas Loy Bumgarner said:

Pen, isn't this the group that was purchased by Scientology? or is that a different group?

No.

I have no idea what group you might be referring to.

You can check the history of ICSA at http://www.icsahome.com

Here's a snippet:

In December 2004 AFF (American Family Foundation) officially changed its name to International Cultic Studies Association (ICSA). The change of name had been discussed for many years. Until a few years ago, those who felt that "AFF" had established an identity and was "known" had prevailed. However, several factors tilted the name-change decision in favor of those wanting a change.

First of all, the constituency of the organization has changed over the past 25 years. Initially, nearly everybody who contacted AFF for help did so because he/she had a child involved in a cultic group. AFF's unique role was to bring these parents into contact with helping professionals, increasing numbers of whom became interested in and/or involved with AFF as time passed. By the early 1990s, however, the majority of people contacting the organization were former group members who had left their groups without an intervention ("walk-aways"). By the late 1990s, AFF and people associated with the organization had completed a sizeable body of research and an increasing number of people, particularly researchers, from outside the United States began to get involved with the organization. At some recent conferences 25% of the attendees were from outside the U.S. Today, we speak of our four international "constituencies" of family members, former members, researchers, and helping professionals (including mental health, law, clergy, educators – some of whom are also former members of groups or family members of involved persons). Consequently, although "family" may have reflected the organization's focus in its early years, it no longer is THE focus, though it still remains a vital concern.

Most people favored "cultic studies" because it expressed the organization's interest areas without being so narrow and precise as to exclude phenomena that might be similar but not equivalent to those associated with the admittedly vague concept "cult." Many high-control or abusive groups from which people leave are not necessarily "cults" in a strict sense, but they may nonetheless resemble "cults" in some ways. "Cultic studies" also gives us a link to the past, for our journal has used that term since 1984 and our main Web site has used the term for the past several years.

For more visit, http://www.icsahome.com/aboutus/name-change

Hi Grease Spotters,

I thought I'd pass this info from the International Cultic Studies Association (ICSA) along to you in case you or someone you know would want to attend this conference.

High-Control Groups: Helping Former Members and Families

Santa Fe, New Mexico - November 3-5, 2017

ICSA offers a whole lot of info to help people. I have spoken at two of their conferences, although I won't be going to this one.

More such conferences are available throughout the year at different locations.

Cheers,

Penworks
Online Information

Online Registration

ICSA will conduct a conference in Santa Fe, New Mexico November 3-5, 2017.  This conference will focus on the helping needs of former group members and families and will include a training track for mental health professionals.  Conference sessions will emphasize discussion so participants can address issues pertinent to their individual concerns.

The conference will take place at La Fonda on the Plaza, one of Santa Fe's finest hotels, located in the heart of the old city.

Santa Fe has been chosen to give ICSA's western supporters an opportunity to attend a conference closer to home.  It is also a lovely setting for those who come from other parts of the USA, Canada, and the world.

Speakers include some of the cultic studies field's most experienced mental health professionals, as well as former members and family members who will share their experiences.  More Information is available online: http://www.icsahome.com/events/conferencesantafe (links to hotel etc. on left).

Attend this conference if you are interested in how psychologically manipulative and demanding groups can hurt people and what can be done to help those who are harmed.  The agenda will address the needs of those seeking help and those who want to help others.  Among the topics to be explored are

• What helps people leave cultic groups and relationships?
• Dealing with cult-related trauma
• Coping with triggers
• Building relationships and communicating with the cult involved
• After the cult: who am I
• Support groups
• Exit counseling and conflict resolution
• Spiritual issues in recovery
• What churches can do
• Cults and children
• Case discussions for mental health professionals
• Postcult sexuality
• Hypnosis

Because Santa Fe is a “daytime” city, we have scheduled 2-hour lunch breaks so that attendees can enjoy walking around old Santa Fe, where there are numerous art galleries, museums, and quaint shops, as well as stunning Southwest architecture.  The hotel will permit the special conference rate 3 days pre- and post-conference for those who wish to spend time touring Santa Fe and its environs.  Call La Fonda’s Reservations Department at 800-523-5002, #1 or 505-982-5511, #1. Give group code 873870. Please call between the hours of (Mountain Standard Time): Monday – Friday: 7am-8pm; Saturday: 8am-5pm; Sunday: 9am-5pm. Or register online.

Please tell others about this conference.  We hope you join us!

Online Registration  (https://icsahome.givezooks.com/events/high-control-groups-helping-former-members-and-families)

Thanks for posting this, Rocky!

The topic question asked what was the purpose of The Way Corps training? I was in the 2nd Corps. I'll venture this. The purpose was to indoctrinate us with Wierwille's ideology (propaganda) and have us spread it "over the world."  We were unthinking puppets. There's enough on this website to fill a planet with information about how this was done. Besides the few that have spoke up here, I would like to see more "Corps trained" people speak out about the sham that Wierwille perpetrated. Hello?

Well, I grew up in Salisbury, MD and have relatives in D.C. so I may get up there. Will let you know. Send me a message on my Contacts page through my website.

Tonight at my local library, only 4 days after Hurricane Irma reeked havoc in our town, about 20 people showed up for my presentation about cult life. I expected 2. Gee, do you think people are interested in cults? Duh. 

Hi GreaseSpotters! This thread is very good and very timely. Thank you everyone for contributing. In the near future I am giving another talk, this one titled "Life in a Cult: How I Lived and How I Escaped" which is sort of a Cliff Notes version of my own story. I will also include general info about high-demand, high-control groups of any kind. I've learned a lot about ways to communicate on this topic from the  International Cultic Studies Association

Lately I've run into people who, when they find out about my story, gasp and say "how did you ever get out?" as if I were held in chains in a basement. They've seen Leah R.'s show on T.V. and shudder that I was in a similar situation. What I emphasize are the psychological "chains" that held me for so long. They were just as real, at least to me ...

I admit I have not yet watched Leah's show ... just not ready to plunge back into the topic, but I will eventually. The similarities posted here between Scientology's tactics and TWI's are helpful guideposts. Again, thanks.

Warmest wishes,

Charlene

On ‎8‎/‎15‎/‎2017 at 1:57 AM, chockfull said:

So I just checked the Way home site because I needed to feel better about my life, so I went there and looked and realized my life couldn't be that bad because I still am not in a cult anymore.  So I've got that going for me.....

Anyway, right there before my eyes is the Way twitterfeed:

"God is good to me. He holds my hand. He helps me stand. God is good to me!"

So now Way followers, you too can have a Waybot make up new modern nursery rhymes to send you daily.  At first I thought this might be artificial intelligence.  And then I realized, no, it is just another Way Corps job LOL.  

I'll tell you, if I had that job, I would change it into the Way haiku feed.  Or I would shoot myself in the head.  One of the two.

That was part of an actual children's fellowship song we taught to the kids back in the 1970s and 1980s. Simple lyrics for young minds.

Indeed.

It is an interesting time. I won't say who, but one person on that list of "signers" recently contacted me to say she just finished reading my book, Undertow and appreciated it (not her exact words).

Mmm...

Yes, they do say Paul's letters were "written" by Paul (just as every other book was written down on parchment or vellum or whatever by a man) but the documents, VPW insisted, are exactly what God wanted Paul and the others to write ... God told them what to write. VPW made it very clear his position was that the men were merely the writers BUT God was the author. Which led vpw to say that therefore the Bible is God's Word. That doctrine is throughout every bit of TWI teaching I ever heard. Anyone hear differently? I will never forget VPW shouting, "Either it's God's Word or it isn't!" That doesn't seem to leave any room to disagree in wayworld.

2 hours ago, TLC said:

Translations/versions aside, so do most genuine Christians.

I think you're grossly overstating your case.  Unless things have radically changed from years ago, they do acknowledge they were written by Paul (even as other scripture was written by men.)  Your point, I suppose, is that you don't believe they were written by revelation (or by however else one might care to express or communicate divine inspiration.)  Then again, at this point in your life 1Thess. 2:13 probably doesn't carry much significance or bear any weight with you either. (Please don't take this as anything but that which is intended - to draw out your personal perspective on all scripture, not just what is Pauline, nor something which is exclusive to TWI.)   

Right, this is not exclusive to TWI, of course.

And IMO what is "inspiration" is subjective. I enjoy parts of the Bible as wisdom literature, but have many questions about a lot of other parts. There is much history of the canon that's available and interests me, but no, I no longer hold to Christianity's view that the canon we see in the KJV is the Word of God in the way TWI means it. It's been a long journey for me to reach this point ... just my personal take on the situation, not meant for everyone for sure.

My point here was that anti-gay teachings are what we should not be surprised to hear coming from folks who take the Bible as the literal Word of God. What else could they really say and stay true to their belief about Scripture?

There's no getting around it. This doctrine that gay is not okay is the ONLY stance TWI can take on the topic because they believe that the verses they quote are GOD'S WORD. They hold to the idea that if the Bible says something, then you can't debate it. Period.

TWI does not acknowledge the fact that St. Paul's letters were written by guess who ... Paul!

TWI does not believe that any other verses they quote to "prove" homosexuality is "of the devil" were written by men who held those views, by men who lived in a culture that promoted those ideas, that lived thousands of years ago.

TWI believes GOD told men what to write down and whatever of those writings made their way into the documents that make up what we call THE BIBLE are exactly what GOD says about everything. This is all in the PFAL class and hasn't changed to this day, as far as I know. Right? Have you checked their most recent websites?

I'm preaching to the crowd here. But I don't think we can gloss over the fact that these problems (like hateful speech against gays, etc.) stem from believing that the Bible is God's Word. Remember VPW's old saying, "If God says it. That settles it!"

Also, the "family / household" distinction caused a major uproar in the research department in the 1980s. There is no substantiation in the Bible for how VPW taught it. This terrible uproar is described in my book.

Anyhow, "household" was VPW's divisive word to label faithful Wayfers who obeyed him and stuck with the program. His program. 

Yes, writing is hard! Who knew? 

Just for the record, from my experience in the 2nd Corps, when VPW was trying to explain principle #1, he said, among other gobbled jargon, that it meant having common horse sense, so LCM parroted that. 

Initially, I was confused as to what VP really meant by it. I think he was, too. Maybe he got the idea from someone else. Ultimately, I decided it meant listening to my intuition, which I thought came from God, like directions for my personal life, what we used to call "revelation." To me, that was spiritual perception and awareness. If you ask me, that is different from common sense. Who knows? Why do we care? I care insofar as I use examples like this to show people (college students in particular) how mixed up and manipulating VP was.

He usually gave conflicting and/or confusing messages,  so no surprise here.

On 6/30/2017 at 0:53 PM, chockfull said:

So with JY de Loser taking the reins of course we all have some curiosity as to how he is going to handle the hidden sordid past of the Way, the internet, and truths about how the Way leadership is (including how de Loser really is) and what they want to portray with their whitewash campaign.

Now the honest ethical spiritual approach would be to acknowledge the evils, disband the organization that for as they say "70 years" has operated like a MOG cult lying to people about them being a "Bilbical research ministry" and manipulating them, and to contribute the $65 million in assets to any other charitable organization on the planet that genuinely helps people, and to pursue a different avenue in Christianity.

But of course we know that the Stalin-like structure of the Way leadership and the extreme actions of marking and avoiding people (then denying they have that policy) will never allow them to give up on the $$$$ and do the right thing, but they will forever be engaged in what I refer to as the 

Way International Whitewash and Denial Society

until they die.  JY de Loser is the current President of the Way International Whitewash and Denial Society.  So, what is he going to do?  I mean we can't let this pesky internet business sink the ship we've spent all our lives building.  I mean the ship has to sail on, regardless of the trail of dead bodies left in its wake.   We have to fight back.  What are we going to do?

Well, you know, we at the Way are really really technology backwards, because Rosie hates the internet.  That's why Linder has to print out all those sheets for her to read.  Well presto, with a new President we can change that.  Woohoo - commencement - internet warfare mode.  What are we going to do?  

#1 Priority - we have to get Search Engine Optimization going to that the Greasespot Cafe, and John Juedes site can't be found by our young little fresh dupees all ready to obey unquestioning and increasingly controlling mandates.   So let's start up a whole bunch of Way related websites.  This will tremendously advance us in the Way International Whitewash and Denial campaign.  What are they?

1. thewayministries.com - oh wait we can't use that one - it is already an Isrealite Nazarene ministry.  that's ok though it helps.

2. thewayministries.org - the sister site to the Nazarene org is available - let's buy it up.  Here is a fantastic place to take pictures of all the cards made for MOGLETS.  At the end of each foundational class, it is mandated to make cards for the Board of Doolittle Dummies.  (BOD) here on this site, we have photo pictures of all these cards.  Of course we don't have the sappy cult-sounding innards of the cards, just the pictures.  all on this site.

3. thewaymagazine.com - wow here we can repost old Way mag articles to spam content nobody ready in 2005 when it was published, but we can recycle them here.  One regurgitated article a week, not new content, but taken from all years.   Wow, some of the way mag articles they are reprinting took place during the worst times ever, as written about at GSC.  That's OK, they can just lift out any content that doesn't have people's names, places, etc. in. and regurgitate.  Because that's what the Way is great at - regurgitation.  They call it research.

4.  www.slideshare.net/TheWayInternational - Cool a new place for sharing presentation slides.  Except for that the Way has never used these 6 presentations in any teaching known to mankind, it is just an exercise in some poor fool in Way Publications putting together another generic vanilla presentation with nobody's name on it.  Never been used, never been published, never shown on a screen anywhere.  Yes yes the Way slideshare.

5. thewayinternational.weebly.com/ - Weebly - a one page site with a nice picture and a generic organization description, external links to articles and content on the Way site.  Hey that will help raise the search engine rankings

6. thewayinternational.strikingly.com/ - Strikingly - another external links site pointing back to theway.org - for SEO.  Here there is a cool tagline "Sharing the Rightly Divided Word of God".  And it describes how they "draw from decades of research".  Which technically isn't 100% a lie.  I mean there's no research going on now, and hasn't for a while, but they  used to have a research department.   All we need to do is make sure nobody can find the only originally authored piece produced by the person whose name is on the title in the entire research department published anywhere.  And the only one you can pick up at Barnes and Noble  That is Charlene Edge's book Undertow - https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/undertow-charlene-l-edge/1125195298.  You see this one wasn't published by "American Christian Press" or whatever dummy non-existent publishing org the Way owns - some publishing company that is external to the Way actually read this book, approved it as a project, and it is published through normal channels.

Congrats, Charlene, you finally modeled to the Way how to publish something correctly in the world.  I hope they can't cover it up.

7. Twitter - @thewayinternational - now you too can have 140 character whitewashed daily devotionals spewed to you.

8. Flickr - www.flickr.com/photos/thewayinternational - all photos all the time, Flickr.  Dang.  Look how beautiful those multi-million dollar log cabins are at Camp Gunnison.  Look at all the fresh grass there mowed so beautifully.  It is divine.  I mean that grass is so pristine.  It gets less use than a PGA tour golf course on a Monday.  Nobody is laying on that grass.  Nobody lives in the buildings either.  A skeleton crew - all to run an Intermediate class with 15 people in it for a few weeks, and have a semi-occupied hotel at other times that nobody stays in.  Any former member would either be not allowed on grounds or if they were it would be total creepsville anyway.  Actually Camp Gunnison is starting to look more and more like that deserted hotel in the Shining with Jack Nicholson.   And we can see pictures of all these people too.  The old bat looks like an old bat still.  Rupp has some grey hair going on.  Is that because you got passed up for Pres there guy?  And De Loser still looks like a major condescending d-bag, just like always.

Fun times on the internet for the Way.

I'm sure they will think up more crafty strategic approaches for The Way Whitewash and Denial Society as we progress.  I mean the show has to go on.  There are more people to be marked and avoided.  And more $$$$ and power to collect.

Hi Chockfull,

Just a note to offer one major correction about publishing my book Undertow. On my website I have written about how, after rejections from publishing houses (every author knows this process takes a long time) I created New Wings Press, LLC and "self-published" the book. I hired professionals to edit and design it. I gathered promotional blurbs from experts, other former Way followers, and authors in the field. The print-on-demand company I used is IngramSpark. They have dependable distribution channels around the world.

So, in essence, I did what a regular publishing company does, but paid for it myself. And now it is up to me to also do the marketing.

Thanks for the mention here.  I hope Undertow reaches many former Way folks.

It is now available in e-book, too. That cost me a bundle for Ingram to make, but every penny spent on this project was worth it the moment I got the first of many emails telling me it helped that person heal. My intention was exactly that ... for it to heal and inform. 

I describe this process on my website, http://charleneedge.com

Cheers,

Penworks a.k.a. Charlene Edge