rascal

Lol...we were posting at the same time wayfer....I`d like to reply about being *outside* Sure it is tough out here at first, you are in a major process of rediscovering who you are...what is real...what is of value....is God mad....where should I be now..have I wasted my life up to this point...lol Growth and change isn`t always easy, but highly worth the effort. If you talk to anybody here, once they have been out a while, and seen the greatness of God working in their life...free from the constraints of anal leadership, and missapplication of some really wierd doctrines....as tough as it got at times out here...they would NEVER go back to twi. Churches get a bad rap from twi....they don`t ALL pray to jesus, lol...even those that do, have areas that they have Godly longsuits in....somethings understood and operated even better than twi... Belief in prayer, great ministries in healing...great outreaches to communties...ministering to anyone in need...taking God to the prisons....all Godly persuits and part of balanced spiritual health. But how are folks gonna recieve any of that, or apreciate their value if they are convinced before they ever walk through the doors that they already have all the answeres and that the churches are ignorant at best and evil at worst? Let me tell you something, not ONE of the many churches that I have attended (whether they prayed to Jesus or not ;-) in ALL the years since leaving.....have EVER treated its followers as vilely as twi. Very few of them were coercing the pretty young women into *servicing the Man of God* as part of their spiritual *duties* either lol Sometimes I wonder if twi is so focused on the *word*, that it misses a great majority of the OTHER important details of a spiritual walk with God..... That is the blessing of getting out wafer, imo you get the pleasure of developing an even richer more diversified relationship with God, and your bretheren. Not that I am saying that you or anyone else, cannot enjoy yourselves while involved with twi.....I just wanted to correct the idea that life outside of the walls of zion cannot be exhilerating and spirit filled as well, (even more so than when in sometimes) ......... I`m not here to bash twi, I`m just anxious to correct the misperception (is that a word?) that someone has to stay with twi even when they are miserable.....simply because *there just isn`t anything better* Think about *who* told you that and why they might say it.... Cathy

That is very encouraging to hear about John and Harve, maybe they will be able to turn things around. I really hope so, for all of the folks whom remain there. I can however say, that it will be a difficult process, because having read from the many people who have worked with their (John n Harv`s)boss through the years....she is a real snake. She is responsible for the most onerous and controlling mandates in twi, even when lcm was in charge. She appears to be very adept at manipulating from behind the scenes, and has been doing so for many years, even BEFORE her presidency. With RR in charge, I doubt any serious changes can/will be made. Anyway, I am glad that you are here, I am glad that there are some in twi, with some guts left, folks that are still able to stand up to leadership over things that were never any of their business anyway. A word of caution, I hope you will remain discrete in revealing personal details about yourself, your state, or your fellowship. This sight IS monitered, and usually when leadership pin points who you are, they attempt to make life miserable. Folks busted here have been labled possessed, and thrown out more than once. If you aren`t ready to leave....please be carefull. Cathy

Hey, let me first say...Welcome to greasespot! Glad that you are here...don`t worry about what people here think...we have a multiplicity of opinions and experiences here. I am glad that you have the choice to stay and stand up for yourself...lol many of us were thrown out, and m&a `d for far less. I know some here whom were lied about and slandered because they refused the *blessings* that the Man of God proffered. They never had the chance to stand up and defend themselves, to tell their side...simply were just escorted off grounds between armed security men. They found when returning to their areas that ALL of the believers had been notified of their suspiscious spiritual darkness, and were warned not to speak to them less they become possessed as well. I hope that you are right, that things are changing for the better....however, keep in mind....that those in charge now, those whom you are willing to entrust your spiritual life to...backed lcm in all of his lunacy to the HILT and in many cases actively participated in the cover up. Lol...hang on it is bound to be a bumpy ride as you hear the side of the story you never knew... It will be a rough ride....but well worth the trip. You are not alone, there are other posters here that are still *in* that we very much love and respect. We are not innie bashers...lol but keep in mind, many here have suffered atrocities that are unimaginable at leaderships hands. Many here HAVE found meaningfull fellowship and growth outside of twi, so don`t be upset if all do not share your enthusiasm for twi`s *truths* anymore lol. Seriously, glad you decided to *check* us out....don`t be afraid to jump right in the forums and mix it up a bit! If you hgaven`t checked out the main page yet, there is a lot of usefull, eye opening information. Cathy

P.S. Hawk ..... Mark apreciated the peppers you sent home, and wanted me to relay his thanks:-)

Jessie 14 : The smores and the fire were fun. I liked meeting Cam and Cory. Poker was cool, Thanks Lori! Stephen 12 : Fishing was the most fun for me. Cooking the marshmellows was great! Thanks everyone for inviting us! I hope that we can do it again! Abby 11 : The Mother deer and her two fawns that came so close were beautifull to see. The cookout was really good. I thought Jessie falling in the lake was the funniest part.... Benji 10 : I think riding fast in the boat was the most fun, thanks Mr. Hawk! (Ok I`ll swap the puppy, but the box of twinkies will have to be REALLY big, and you have to throw in another fishing expedition ;-) Aaron 6 : The smores were the BEST! Camping was fun too.....I miss Lori, and the rest of my friends. Hannah 4 : The smores an all the people, an the campfire, an cheetos an hotdogs an hamburgers an the twinkies an flashlights an water an...... Zoreta 2 : (Aka becca for those of you who remember waydale)...lol was particularly pleased to be able to watch Scooby Doo in the cabin with Mr Mike! She voted xena the most fun....and was especially crazy about lories brownies. I thank you guys once again for making it such a memorable weekend for the kiddoes and myself:-)

LOl.....What more can I add...the weekend was fabulous! I was deeply concerned that the noise and activity of my boisterous youngsters would be a problem...lol shouldn`t have worried, Hawk, mike n Tessa were saints! Cam and Cory, were so patient with the younger children, who were quite the pests, at times. Bless their hearts, what decent, fine young men your boys are, Mike and Hawk. They were so well mannered and helpfull, it was a genuine pleasure to get to know them, you Dads should be very proud. We thoroughly enjoyed every miniute. When I needed to lay down with the younger children, Tessa took up the slack and took all of the older kiddoes to the rec center where it was reported there were ping pong n pool tables. When I needed to put the babies down for the night, she took charge of the older kiddoes, and instucted them in the fine art of poker....lol they LOVED it! Tessa amazed me with her gentle patience that she displayed with the children. They adored her,(Tessa...thanks for making their weekend special for them) Tessa`s dear cocker spaniel *Zena* was so mellow, she allowed the babies to maul her the entire weekend ...without so much as a wimper. Not to MENTION the poor dog having to deal with the two rat terriers (Tigger and Winnie)my son Benji brought with him....lol Winnie is only 4 months old and less than two pounds, but never the less, insisted on grabbing Zena`s dragging leash at every occasion, lol and trying to drag Zena around the cabin......TOO funny! Hawk took my older boys fishing, along with his, and Mike`s sons....this was a very special treat. My boys had been very unsuccessful in their fishing attempts, because they did not know what kind of bait or tackle to use...Cory and his Dad were so kind to teach the boys the *secrets* of catching a big one! Thanks Hawk, it was a special treat......the boys will NEVER forget it....that was the highlight of the weekend for them. Hawk even managed to find the time to rescue a family in distress...(they had missed their charter, so he ran the family around the lake till he found their party`s pontoon boat) Hawk and his son Cory hosted the evening meal around their campfire.....We had such a wonderfull time! Hawk n Cory fixed a wonderfull stew, and a huge pot of beans.....they also provided the buns n fixins for the burgers and hot dogs. The homemade sausage that Hawk provided for breakfast was delicious. Everyone was SO patient with me...... I was responsible for the burgers...and was agahst to find when I got ready to cook ...that the beef I had placed in the cooler the night before was still frozen rock solid !!...AUGH..not only that, the grill I had dragged all the way from home had lost it`s middle part in transit and was useless! I was just mortified at my ineptness. Lol Hawk n Mike managed to get a local grill going and after much delay.....we finally got dinner on....(kids got tired of waiting, and ended up just sticking their hot dogs on sticks and cooking for themselves over the campfire). Mike n Hawk play a mean guitar, (I played a little as well) it was a pleasure to sit back and listen as we quietly chatted. It was great, Cory provided a home grown mellon that was delicious. Mike, our benevolent dictator....without whom this weekend would never have been possible...lol He was the one that made all of the executive decisions, and kept us all on track. Mike was the one that remained unruffled when the rest of us became overwhelmed with the details....and started getting panicky. He seemed to be the string that kept us all tied together, and made sure that everything went smoothly, and stayed peacefull...Thanks Buddy! Tessa...she did the coordinating of details ...making sure someone was bringing everything we would need....Most important of all, She remembered to bring the coffee...She even remembered the the toilet paper!!!! lol Thankyou Mike and Tessa for letting the kids and I bunk down in the cabin with you.....it was much nicer than my plan to sleep in the van...(specially after the kids punctured the air mattress) I guess what amazed me is what a special blessing each and every individual there was. It seemed like each person brought something special and needed to the mix. Even the kids.....it was such a treat to watch them all sitting around the campfire getting to know one another. Mike, Tess, n Hawk, it was a privlege, and a real pleasure to meet you, in person. There never seemed to be any awkwardness...almost like we have all been best friends forever, and that we got together every weekend. Simply amazing for something so impromptu...you know? The only dissapointment was that the weekend was WAY too short...lol It was a pleasure to meet you guys, Thankyou ALL for the help with the kids, everyone was so helpfull and saw to it that every single person there had a great time ...even down to the smallest child. Cathy [This message was edited by rascal on October 07, 2002 at 13:04.]

I have been wondering about where you have been. I will miss you terribly. You have given so much of yourself here. Make NO mistake, your postings have had enormous impact, and I thank you for having had the courage to share. Once again ex, I want to say that, it was your sharings that helped remove the scales from our eyes....that finally awoke hubby and I to the fact that twi was NEVER what we had believed it to be.....that vp and leadership were basically, just a bunch of untrustworthey preditors. That was when the healing and growth, the ability to move on, began for us. For that I will never be able to thank you enough. I really hope that you will reconsider, maybe post occasionally? Your humour, and vitality will be sorely missed. If you need to go for your own sake, alright, I wish you well on your continued journey. If it is because of another poster being mean.......lemmee at em ..I`ll give em a good punch inna snoot ;-) Damn.....This place will be gloomy without you...sigh

I`ll be there., kiddoes in tow...... I plan on making my ministry wide famous biscuts n gravey for breakfast!

Welcome Priscilla, thanks for sharing your story. My family resides in Tn as well..... Hope to read more of your story and experiences. Cathy W

Me TOO!

Sorry about spoiling your lunch Linda. I was hoping not to upset anyone.......lol We live on two acres in the county....so I have enough room for the dogs and a horse or two. I keep most of the horses at the Doc`s farm who adopted Baily and Ely. He has a 100 acres, so there is plenty to eat, and great places to ride. The only real trouble is the vet bills....lord I have an ever running tab with him...someone is ALWAYS getting cut, or sick. The vet always charges me cheaper prices, bless his heart....lol he calls me the east central branch of ----- counties humane society. The horse that we cannot keep off the porch is SO nosey...if we shut the inside door so that she can`t see in the front...she walks around the house. .... peeking in the windows until she finds which room we are in. A bouvier de flanders is a belgian sheep dog. They are about 90 lbs and covered with long hair. The reason that there are not many of them is because they were used heavily in ww1 or 2 as behind the lines messenger deliverers, guard dogs ........they used to haul small cannons, and ammo carts. They were so valued and effective, that when germany invaded Belgium.......one of their first priorities was to destroy all kennels and breeding center for these animals. There is a great saga (supposedly true)about how a young girl escaped with her two bouves and traveled across occupied countries at night.......hiding in the day, had many narrow squeezs.........until she managed to smuggle herself and the dogs to the united states. I do not believe the breed ever made a comeback after that. Usually they have their ears clipped to stand up and their tail docked...but mine isnt. They are shaggy like an old english sheep dog. Cory, How is your kittY?.......I hope he is ok. It is so fun hearing about all of your animals, great idea Rottie Girl.

Mary Cate....Congratulations on being a foster mom......There are too few people that are willing or capable of doing it. All of you guys are SO wonderfull to open your hearts and homes to these most neglected, and unfortunate of creatures. We foster as well but usually are only responsible for the orphaned puppies and kittens that need to be bottle raised until they can eat solid food and then be adopted out. Both of the vets in town call me when they have orphans.... We had to stop taking in larger animals , because with as many large dogs as we have...the neighbors are understandibly nervous... We also had to stop taking cats as wellbecause we learned the hard way that xena is a cat eater....sigh. We rescue and rehabilitate horses as well, but unfortunaatly never seem to be able to give them up.....we are currently responsible for 11.

Gosh .....where to begin...I know that I have posted some of this info before..so if you have read previously...bear with me please. I have a Bouvier de flanders.....I was hired to train him 10 years ago. He belonged to a Dr. who was in his final stages of brain tumors. When his *Daddy* died.......the family gave him to me. Every year, The *grandparents STILL send *Stoney* a christmas card with 100 dollars, for him to share with the kids.....bless their hearts. I have two german shepherds....One we found at a picinic area. She had been abandoned with her 3 puppies. They all had mange. We fed them all of our lunch because they were so pathetic......we had no heart to eat in front of them. Well, I could not sleep that night and went back. We got them treated and adopted her puppies out.......but she stayed with us. Mama Dog...(we never thought of a name for her) Takes the children as her *personal* responsibilities....she is ever vigilant in her efforts to keep them safe. The other shepherd, Kirby...named for the way she cleans up the scraps of the floor lol...though she gets into a lot of trouble, she has permanent immunity because as a 6 month old puppy...she attacked a rattle snake that was lying in the path that my very young children were walking down......preventing them from possibly being bitten. We have a giant schnauzer whom I was told to take to the vet to put to sleep, for an ailing neighbor. I never made it to the vet.....in spite of my best intentions and now Xena is part of the family. My neighbor was getting rid of a toy rat terrier, and my son took him in...Tigger is really a charmer...I am suprised because I didn`t think I liked little dogs. He LOOKs like a chiuoa sp? .....on steroids..lol He is also more ferocious than ANY of the dogs that outweigh him by 70 lbs. We have a beutifull cat that we kept from a litter of kittens that we bottle raised for the vet.Not a morning goes by that dear sherbert does not present us with a mouse. We also have several *big* dogs......lol no really horses...but they THINK they are lap dogs...One is constantlly being chased off of the front porch and if you leave the door open long enough she WILL come in the house. We have one that we rescued from the meat buyer. She had foundered..her feet were SO bad that there were abcesses that were filled with maggotts (sorry if that is tmi) There was little chance she`d pull through....but we gave it a shot....n she suprised us n made a full recover...we expecting a really nice foal out of her next spring. We have a precious black pony that was given my daughter. This poor little mare had been so visciously abused that she was crazy...nobody could touch her. Well it took an entire summer,but my daughter regained her trust and is riding her....we are expecting a nice foal out of her in the spring. My all time favorite, is my Tennessee Walking mare......she is my dearest companion and confidante....She is so totally peacefull that you cannot help but feel that *all is well with the world* whenever I am around her. She is the best baby sitter ......I can place the baby on her back...and she will follow me around the yard as I putter......She is one of those truly special once in a lifetime blessings......lol and my aquiring her was an accident. My son has an iguana that he thinks highly of, *Strike* has amazing personality for a reptile.. My Daughter has a neat little red cheaked turtle that eats out of our hands.. We have 5 parakeets that the kids grandfather insisted that they just HAD to have...my daughter walks thropugh the house with them all hanging on her shoulders...lol she looks like some kind of bird perch. We also have a rabbit that never stays in his cage...... Oh yeah, and my daughter has a couple of really neat angel fish that eat out of her hand. (Bear with me if you have heard this one already)One of my proudest accomplishment is the two red boned coon hound puppies that had been thrown out in the woods to die immediately after birth.... (Thisnext part is gross if you want to skip to the next paragraph)They were filled with maggotts, it took hours to squeeze them out through the umbilical chords.... They were so weak, there was little chance for their survival...( their 10 syblings had already died) Well anyway *Ely* and *Baily* pulled through, and this month, I was able to place them with a wonderfull Dr. and his wife.........though the couples 5 cats do not know what to make of their new syblings. These are just some of my current residents........there have been some wonderfull animals that have shared our lives with us in the last 20 years that have since passed. Lol.......add all those furry and scaled, and feathered *kids* with my 7 *human* children......and you can understand the reference under my name about *living in a shoe*.....as in the old woman who had SO many children...she didn`t know what to do;-) P.S. I have to add that my poor husband is NOT an animal lover...lol the poor guy is beside himself as to how to deal with a family FULL of animal nuts :-)

Thankyou for taking the time to post all of that info. THAT is so wierd....I don`t know what to think....all I can say is....at LEAST they seem benevolent.........I mean they let the folks go again. Kind of reminds me of how our scientist sedate n tag wildlife n then let em go so they can track em. Whether it is all hoaxes? I don`t know.........wonder if they still have the x rays showing the objects. I cannot believe that all of those world leaders were there at that time...seems a little far fetched. I have often wondered if the uniformly reported big eyes, and seamless skin...could be some kind of space suit n helmet.......you know? Think what one of our astronauts would look like to some locals...A giant single eye in the middle of the head....a huge deformity on their backs..... hee hee

an Zix? Don`t EVEN think that by swappin your subscriptions around that you will have any better chance o winnin that there Grand prize. I already GOT muh letter from them and it apears that *I* ....(yeah ME!) ... have ALREADY won the million dollar grandprize.... Nyah nyah CathyWs12

I look forward to a visit someday....in the mean time....g`night Dot.....night zix :-)

I haven`t heard of the *Fire in the sky* movie. What is that about?

I know that what I wrote sounds unbelievable. I can only give bits and pieces. I wish that you could come and have a talk with my neighbor. He is a jewel.......a wealth of information on nearly every subject. The things I relate, ....I don`t do justice. I cannot blame zix for not believing. I wish you could all come up and spend the day. I gaurauntee it wouldn`t be dull:-) One of the crazier beliefs that took a long time for me to even consider is.... Get this...He wondersc if we really ARE the FIRST technologically advanced society to inhabit the earth...as nutty as this sounds on the surface...he has some mighty thought provoking theories. What suprised me is there was a special on tv the other night that sighted some of the very same ideas that neighbor had been discussing with me for years. The mathmatics and astronomy that the ancient civilizations had were fantastic. Were they handed down from someone? was the earth inhabited by intelligent civilisations BEFORE a cataclismic act destroyed all but a few pockets that managed to save the most pertinent info?

Since when?? Since WHEN??? ALways! As long as I have been reading your posts in chat and in the forums.... I have had you labeled in the *friend* and all around general *good guy* category..........lol I had you pegged as one of the really *sharp* ones around here (how could you be anything BUT wonderfull if you were a lensman fan;-).... Guess it was embarassing to feel ridiculed by someone I respect. Sorry I misunderstood.

Shoot...I thought the whole point of this thread was that we were enjoying the freedom to explore ideas outside the realm of twi. I was simply relating information gathered over 9 years of coffee with the neighbors....talking about tv specials that I`d watched, and books that I have read I was having a ball, simply enjoying the exploration of some intriguing mysteries. Even if you didn`t consider any of this to have any merit, I am really dissapointed with your inferance that we are gullible idiots for even discussing these stories and comparing info. I am really not suprised that some were a little put off by where the topic went...I am just a little suprised that it was you of all posters Zix... who decided to get snide. Damn.....I feel just like the good old days.....ashamed and stupid for talking about something that wasn`t deemed *apropriate*

I don`t know WHAT to think......I was only passing on the neighbors speculations. Who knows if they were the attackers or defenders...lol The radar man said that it would have taken a massive power explosian beyond anything we have ever seen to have whited out the radar screen that he saw just before the ships dissapeared. The neighbor did mention that the huge increase in ufo activity coincided with when we started detonating nuclear bombs. He said there was an enormous amount of activity in one state right after they fired up several nuclear power plants and wondered if that wasn`t what had brought us to their attention. He also showed me a book with a picture of a stone covering a grave from south america that showed a man sitting faceing upwards with all kinds of controls surrounding him in what looked like a ship. Now THAT was strange... There is a tribe Dogi I think they were called......who`s belief (now I am fuzzy on this) either came from a planet that rotated around what they called the dog star...or were visited for a while by someone who was....I do not remember...but in their secret cave...they have ritual pictures depicting the star and planet that go back for centuries..They have elaborate rituals .....celebrating this... Scientist finally have telescopes powerfull enough........and have looked at the star that the dogi claim as theirs......and sure enough there IS a planet circling it. I saw a show once where rock hounds had found a strange rock ...they cut it open, and it had a strange component encased. They took the rock and had it xrayed....there was a piece of something shaped kind of like a piston totally encased....The rock was tested for age...was several million years old... Of course......the rock dissapeared shortly after that. All that is left are the pictures and exrays. I once watched an account of a whole town of folks on the coast above the US .......whom all claimed to have watched a ufo land in their bay......they could see it`s lights under the surface of the water......they went out to investigate with boats etc. It was there for a while and then took off at an enormous rate of speed under the surface....I guess folks followed it ALL the way to a military base on the our north eastern coast..... The base is now closed....but I have to wonder how many of the ufo`s we are seeing these days are are our own experimental *models* possibly that we have manufactured from the knowledge aquired from the downed crafts. There is a lot more ........but as I type......my old way brain kicks in and tells me I am nuts for even considering this stuff....and that everyone will KNOW how crazy I really am for even putting it out on the net.......lol This neighbor has a lot of fascinating ideas..... He has an unbelievable grasp of science, and history.....he also worked in high level government for a time...which is what gave him access to much of his matterials.....and yet it has taken me almost 10 years of knowing him and having these conversations over coffee....heck even in bible study...to be able to even CONSIDER the information that he had available.....lol

Well, my neighbor said he has no idea.....however he knows (from personal experience) that there is more than just Roswell being covered up. He speculates that maybe there was some sort of battle being fought, judging from the number of crashes that night, and the enormous sections of the craft that had been blasted away with some sort of heat. Could these guys have been defending us? As for why there is no open personal contact.....who knows...Maybe we are just being observed maybe we are at times too ignorant and volitile to expose to the rest of the galaxy yet...lol Guess we are in a sort of cosmic *time out* chair...lol So I am curious.......did any of you read the account in ezekiel, and revelation? What did you think? What could he have possibly seen?

ok guys.....I went over to visit the neighbor, and ended up spending half the day going over the info he had gathered through the years.....lol It is hard to remember everything....but here are some of the major points I remember. One of the things he told me was that he had a friend who had told him ....that he (the friend) wasn`t ALLOWED to tell him, that as a radar operator that night.....he had seen FIVE ufo`s (so much for the ONE downed weather balloon story) He said that, he wasn`t ALLOWED to say that..the screen went white........and then there was nothing there. Everything had been dropped from screen and presumed destroyed. He had several different sources describing to him what had been found at the various sights. One of the ships had a huge hole in it...as ifsomething had burned into it......but yet when they took ascetteline torches to the structure .......they couldn`t make any impression at all. Whatever had caused the damage.....it wasn`t anything WE could have done. One of the ships when it landed was discharging enormous amounts of electricity.....like a huge power line. But most sources of information had been intimidated in one way or another through out the years to keep their mouths shut. Some of em figured they were old enough now, and would soon be dead...they weren`t afraid anymore...so were finally telling. I was mistaken about the other guy being a friend ........it was information in a book GIVEN to him by a friend. The book was written by the retired general or whoever it was ......who`s job it was to take the bits of technological stuff around to have them analized. He couldn`t find it.......but is looking. He gave me a book which discussed at length the tanguskan explosian in the early 1900s..Now THAT was wierd......for some reason the Russianscientific investigations and information were never really made available in this country. Today, most here claim that it is some kind of meteor that exploded before impact. But this book compiled the information that the Russian scientist had gathered, and interviewed living witnesses at the time. It is fascinating because tens of thousands of people actually SAW a metallic cylinder......not only that but the record shows it went all the way north to alaska BEFORE it turned around and went BACK to tanguska.....mighty funny behavior for a meteor. Kind of reminds me of an airplane pilot that knows his plane is going down, and trying to find a sparsley populated area so that the impact will affect as few as possible. It tells of the explosian being bright enough to read a newspaper at midnight in london half a world away. I have just started that ......and will pass on any fun stuff. He took me to Ezekiel... we started reading that account.......when you read it from the view point of what he says he saw rather than just passing it off as a vision.......it is kind of eery. He took me into revelation and showed me the account about when heaven comes to earth.......how it is 1500 miles by 1500 miles......how it is illuminated from inside...if you read the descriptions it SOUNDS awfully familiar. Anyway ........it was a fun afternoon......we covered so MUCH interesting information ( I am having trouble keeping it all straight....Some of it even MORE thought provoking than Roswell.

Isn`t it FUN to be allowed to think, and wonder .....to consider things that were *forbidden* in twi? Kay...I would NEVER be willing to disbelieve your relatives stories about abduction.........based simply on what twi taught us....They were wrong about TOO many things to allow their doctrine or *take* on the universe to be the criteria by which I measure ANYTHING! Right or wrong, ufo`s or not, it is ALL about permitting ourselves to think and consider beyond the boundaries of the box that twi manufactured for us. (ps Still waiting on roswell info from the neighbor)

I do not remember the specifics....I just remember thinkin *wow.......That IS wierd* If he is home....I will ask him this morning and get back here....maybe I could talk him into visiting here, and posting his own info. CathyWs12 P.S That was supposed to be dot AND zix in my post before....sorry couldn`t find my edit button