brideofjc

Everybody dance!

Tex Ritter?? Wow, now that's a name that I haven't heard in a very long time. Wow.

Merry Christmas Waysider.

Someone else will revive them. If the demand is there, someone will supply it.

They're for sale on E-bay! LOL

Well here we are 12/21/12. . . and still here. . .

Well today is Saturday, 12/22/2012 and I slept in until

10 a.m. ya know...too tired from dodging the chunks of sky

falling all over.

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Following the Lord Jesus Christ often takes us down roads that we never planned to go, much less actually finding ourselves on them. Could be why the Lord Jesus is our Shepherd, who is leading us through the wilderness to the Promised Land.

Bride: "Where two or three are gathered....there I will be in their midst." Not questioning your intent here, Bride, but, just pointing out that there is a lot in that ellipsis (...). Jesus is not in the midst of those who gather any more than you are the Bride of anyolewho. You are the brideOFJC, just as Jesus is in the midst of those who are gathered IN HIS NAME. Just because people started going to buildings with steeples that became known as THE church of the Lord Jesus Christ doesn't mean it was the church of the Lord Jesus Christ any more than people who gather in homes (because that's the way the 1st century church gathered) are necessarily gathering in his name. The early believers achieved the reality of Jesus in their lives because they followed him, not because they followed principles such as the church in the home. No "church," mega church or church in the home, or any combination of those, pretenting to the name "The Church" attains justifiably that name - that we should listen to the Holy Spirit to lead us to the place where we belong. Those who truly trust in the Holy Spirit accept His truth that we are already placed in the Body where it pleases Him. Any other "trust" in the Lord is misplaced. We should just trust that God is placing us in fellowship with others who are likewise believing the truth of the present reality of the One Body - accessing by believing the grace wherein we stand. "Believing" God to place us, when he already has, precludes his sufficiency and replaces his sufficiency with an institutional requirement to access his grace.

Sufficient in Him,

Tom

The reality of having the Lord Jesus Christ in your life and thus His teachings being manifested in your life is what constitutes you as a true member of the Church. As I said before, though a group of people may meet in a building with a steeple or even in the home, if they are not His Disciple, then they are none of His in all reality. "Though I give my body to be burned..." Same idea. One can go through the show and still not be the real McCoy.

Wow, I've been busy with so much for so long and I just get back to find that GSC is closing down. I just wanted to say Thank you as well for all of the wonderful people that I have met out here as well.

For anyone interested, here is my email that I can be reached at:

newcovenantchristian@gmail.com

Also I am at Facebook as: JANICE ROBINSON

Feel free to add me as your friend and I will add you as well. I feel no need to hide my real name.

Geisha...I hope you look me up on Facebook...I so enjoyed your posts. There are so many others as well, I could go on and on.

It doesn't really matter to me which tribe - or how many angels, Waysider.

I'm just a bit surprised that having announced that we (yes, we) are the real Israel, as well as being the Body of Christ, the true church / called out, the faithful remnant -- our beloved leaders didn't seek to further categorize us as some other type of believer / Israel. And having condemned millions of faithful, compassionate, loving and giving Christians practicing mainstream Christianity, surprising our beloved leaders didn't seek to categorize them as unstable, or cruel, or lazy (Issachar), or judgmental backbiters (Dan) - but that might mean having to give a word of praise, too. Obviously, and I mean this completely (in)sincerely, folks, TWI would be Joseph.

Glad I'm out...and can choose to be who I want to be, in Christ.

The Apostle Paul made it clear that we have been grafted into the root stock of Israel. Personally, I'm glad....for all of Israel shall be saved. Amen.

Sounds like my cup of tea. I ordered the CD audio version a few days ago when I first read this thread. I haven't received it yet. I figure that God has placed me in the body where it has pleased him, & we ARE the church, & we are complete in Christ, so going to "church" doesn't exist. It is an artifice within which people then engage in all manner of artifice. Truth exists there only because the darkness of the artifice cannot put out the light.

Where two or three are gathered....there I will be in their midst.

Church does not have to be in a building with a steeple, it's just that people started going to such and it became known as the church of the Lord Jesus Christ.Most of us out here came out of TWI and know the abuses that went on there. Certainly there are churches that are also abusive as well...just listen to the Holy Spirit as leads you and you will find the place where you belong. No one is an island.

Just thinking about the title, "Indelible Image" and I'm wondering if it is a discussion of "Imago Dei"? Let us know what you read when you get the book. I've perused some of his commentaries.

My mother also learned to HATE OATMEAL. She always said it was served every morning without fail. Of course, conserving sugar and butter, so had to eat it plain. Also, she wouldn't eat yogurt either. Back then they didn't call it the fancy name of yogurt, but exactly what it was, i.e. clabbered milk.

My mother grew up in a frugal lifestyle and she transmitted those values to me. I still can my own food and dry others.

One story that was always told was that of course being the great depression, traveling salesmen would come around a lot. One time my grandfather (BeeKeeper) who only had broken English told the young man that if he could stand to have a bee put on his tongue for one minute, my grandfather would buy something from him. He told him too that he would also put one on his tongue too to show the young man that it could be done. Well of course, my grandfather put a drone (non-stinging) on his own tongue and put a worker bee on the salesman's tongue...well...you know what happened...and my grandfather didn't have to buy anything because he won the bet.

Another one we heard growing up was that my grandmother used to put a penny in the electric meter and almost got caught one day when the electric company was coming to read the meter.

But I'm thankful that I have learned to "waste not, want not!"

During these tough times, it's been paying off even if its not at the level of the great depression.

The story book Jesus person was a liar and a fraud.

e.g.

The Christian understanding is that the messiah, Jesus, died for the sins of the people. The messiah is supposed to be a human sacrifice that is the blood sacrifice necessary for the forgiveness of sin.

But we are taught in this proven self contradicting bible that no one can die for the sins of another. -

If you are going to debate, then at least get your own facts straight. The verse you are using, you use incorrectly. These people would beput to death by others, the LORD JESUS CHRIST laid down his life willingly...a big difference.

In Deuteronomy 24:16 (KJV) it specifically says this:

The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the father. Every man shall be put to death for his own sin. (Online Source: http://whatjewsbelieve.org/) - What Jews believe Point 1.)

cf.

Fathers must not be put to death for what their children24 do, nor children for what their fathers do; each must be put to death for his own sin. (Deut. 24:16) NET

This was later confirmed by -

Ezekiel 18:20 RSV

"THE SON SHALL NOT SUFFER FOR THE INIQUITY OF THE FATHER. NOR THE FATHER SUFFER FOR THE INIQUITY OF THE SON; the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself."

Ezekiel 18:20 also "pulls the rug out from under" Christianity's main premise, that all generations of mankind are burdened with sin and death stemming from Adam's act of disobedience. Only Christ's redeeming shed blood can end this never-ending cycle of sin and death. Quite clearly Ezekiel refutes this notion. "The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father." (Online Source: http://www.bibleorigins.net/MoabiteBloodMessiah.html)

More so -

Jews correctly also, do not believe in original sin.

IN SHORT... Jews do not believe in the existence of Original Sin. The concept of Original Sin simply states that because Adam and Eve sinned in the Garden of Eden, they brought Death into the world. Every human being dies because Adam and Eve committed a sin, and for their sin, all humans are punished with death. However, the Bible describes something entirely different. Adam and Eve were kicked out of the Garden of Eden because if they remained, they could eat the fruit of the Tree of Life, which would make them IMmortal. If Adam and Eve had to eat the fruit of the Tree of Life to become IMmortal, then they were created mortal to begin with. They did not bring Death into the world, and we don't die because they sinned. As a matter of Biblical fact, the answer to Question One shows that one person cannot die as the punishment for the sins committed by another. We die because Death is a natural part of existence, and has been since from the moment the first human beings were created. That is why God told the animals, before Adam and Eve ate the fruit from The Tree Of The Knowledge Of Good And Evil, to be fruitful and to multiply, since they needed to replace themselves. God also told the same thing to Adam and Eve before they ate that fruit as well. (Online Source: http://whatjewsbelieve.org/) - What Jews believe Point 5.)

I am a long time experienced debater and set high standards, however I welcome all reasonable responses and please try to focus on the text and what you think it says or have been taught to believe and why, rather than the typical so called christian barrage of insults, name calling, troll accusations, why are you here?, you hate us garbage etc. etc. so typical of self acclaimed christians.

Thank you

Uummm, ... ok.

You're so cute, Garth

/scratches head

/wonders --where I have a heard this thread before?

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Good Luck bofjc

O yea thats it!

Nnnoooooo....that's not my book....but I wish I had their millions, though.

Updated my web site and finding out just how cool html coding can be. Also, web traffic is up since I'm now using Google adwords for my Greek class and I'm going to try it out for my book too. This is really getting to be fun.

Congratulations. Way Cool! I ordered it and look forward to its arrival.

Again, Congratulations.

Kit

Yeah, thank you....thank you very much!

I'll be getting it out to you as soon as possible.

We're finally getting snow and ice!

Do let me know when you receive it, okay?

So I take it this isn't the sequel to "The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly"?

Well, I guess you'll have to buy a copy hot off the presses in order to find out.

One thing I think I can promise you is that it is filled with "Rational Logic" and

it won't be a "Wandering copy of Cyber UU GYPPIE"

Congrats. All the best to you.

Please give us a brief synopsis of what it's about.

Hey Polar Bear

Click on Post #4 link above and it will take you to my website....click on BOOKSTORE

and then page down to you see the title. Blessings.

Hi Bride,

The clothing add is still here and funny for me too.....MWAAAHAHAHA. And on top is an add for Minneapolis area singles and an add for earmuffs. chuckle, snort, chuckle

For me it's enough to find that I can reign in those sometimes natural urges treating people with respect and decency is far more important to me than any friggin dress code.

I think the reason why this topic came up for me is because of what Victor Barnard put the women through in River Road Fellowship.

For a while the women were not allowed to wear jeans, and the men were told to not wear them either. The women were told to wear long dresses until in the heat of the summer Barnard decided to be merciful to them and allow them to wear tasteful shorts in the summer heat while they were doing gardening and other outside chores.

Then for a while everybody in leadership was trying to watch everybody's (especially the guys) eyes and where they came to rest. They sought to accuse us foul men of lusting after Barnard's women. What a freakin mess, especially as Barnard has been the one reported to be sleeping with women of all ages and marital staus within the group.

So while I have been put through a bit of a wringer with the rest of River Road Fellowship I hope everybody can understand why some people maybe could use a view of this topic that may help them get away from the insanity in River Road Fellowship.

Ahhh, but he will stand for his actions before the Throne of the Ancient of Days. You might be able to fool yourself and others, but no one will be able to hide their works from the Lord Yahshua, will they?

What is it about? I couldn't find the picture?

I just uploaded the cover pic today. Also, to read a brief description about it, go to

http://www.newcovenantchristianministries.org

click on BOOKSTORE, arrow down to you find it.

I'm working on transferring these descriptions over to the bookstore proper. But like all things, my web site is a work in progress, always needs to be "improved. "

I don't know...a sense of proportion, or keeping things in persepctive, maybe? With all the violence going on in the world and with man busy destroying the earth, why would God be concerned with gay sex?

I've heard some wacked-out religious nut jobs (Jerry Falwell, etc.) declare that HIV/AIDS is God's punishment for gay sex. To believe that that God punishes gays while they are here on earth but does not punish serial killers, mass murders or pedophiles while they are here on earth is ludicrous.

The Lord God Almighty is concerned with all of humanity. I do not believe He just picks and chooses the causes He stands for, but is concerned with everyone's salvation, that no one will be cast permanently from His presence.

The Romans and Corinthians verses seem to support your argument (I'm not entirely conviced) but Leviticus? Come on...here's a book that tells us about burnt offerings, blood sacrifices and skin diseases. It goes on to tell us about male "discharges" (nocturnal emissions? venereal disease? it doesn't specify), how long males and females are "unclean" after their respective "discharges" (don't touch a menstruating female or you'll be unclean until sundown -- that's a good one).

Sorry about the sarcasm.

The Book of Leviticus holds little moral or spiritual value for modern man. It's pure fiction with no redeeming value that I can see.

Women were considered to be unclean strictly because of the blood. Blood was used in the sacrificial system but it was blood freshly spilled. However, when a woman has her menses, the blood is not fresh, but is already old, so to speak, which is why it is being discarded. As soon as the body determines that the egg has not been fertilized, the blood rich lining begins to be cast out. The woman was unclean during her menses and unclean for an additional 7 days afterwards so that there wouldn't be any traces left. This also gave a woman 2 weeks off from her husband and children. I dint kno, but the system sometimes seemed to have some perks with it, if you know what I mean. LOL

I disageee. Every survey of homosexuals that I've ever seen indicates that homosexuality is most often not a choice. Most report that they've always felt that way, or at least since puberty.

Homosexuality is usally derived rom iniquity from the foreparents. But it is still the choise of the person to choose to sin in this manner, it is not inevitable that a person with this iniquity will absolutely sin. You're right, it is their choise to sin and doesn't belong to anyone else.

Well,.....my book

The Holy, The Common and The Despised

is finally done and on the market.

http://www.newcovenantchristianministries.org/bookstore

Click on CATALOG and then click the picture of the BOOKS!

Sounds like you've been tempted and tried, dearest Bro! LOL

What is even more amusing is the ad at the bottom of your post: Namely, "quality Islamic clothing"

What a hoot!

There is a pretty wide range in new calvinism beliefs. The pastor of the Acts 29 church plant we attended stated plainly that God no longer heals. He stated that God allowed healing to draw attention to the ministry of Jesus and then for a while to the ministry of the early church. I don't doubt that others do believe in healing. This guy doesn't believe in any of the "gifts" or manifestations or whatever you want to call them, as listed in Ephesians(?).

I had heard somewhere about Matt Chandler and I pray for him too though you won't see my name on any list.

WG

Sounds like your former pastor needs prayer for healing of his faith in the Lord's greatness to heal even today.

Could I learn something from Piper, McArthur, Driscoll, Calvin Himself? Maybe. But I don't think I will ever read any of those guys when I so strongly disagree with some of the doctrines which they clutch firmly in their right fist and will never loosen their grip: Election of the few, limited atonement, God is a God of hate, not love (yes, Driscoll said that)and women are inferior subhumans placed on earth to be the servants of men.

Nope. Wouldn't want to waste my time.

WG

Please don't! This is why MacArthur scares the hell right out of me. His view of women. This is also what the Mormons believe as well. That women cannot get into heaven unless their husband points at them at the judgement seat and proclaims that she was a good wife. Just another way to subject women and keep them walking three paces behind the man.

I then think of the Lord Jesus who lovingly told Mary to sit right down with the men (probably right next to his knee) and learn right along with the men. How this must have shocked the men in that group that the Lord Jesus was allowing a woman to sit at his feet as a true disciple. I stand in awe of a man who was a true MAN.

This point has me thinking W.G. I've been thinking and it seems like that folks who are led into this kind of unhealthy kind of authority figure worship are most likely to be full of themselves.

Maybe it is because they are youthful and in such a ministry have no example to show them the cost of being puffed up with pride as the scriptures say happens to young leadership.

But is has struck me as something to consider that often those who idolize men tend to be very full of themselves as young men with a so-called ministry.

I think Paul really, really meant it when he told people to count him as the Lord's servant and again to not think too highly of men in Corinth, beyond that which is written, which in my mind seems to be something that was clearly a very important issue to Paul.

Not handling these things correctly seem to be more along the lines of being fleshly sect makers, and there is plenty of warnings about that kind of thing in the scriptures too.

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Hi Jeff,

This is because in Corinth, they had a faction of SUPER-APOSTLES, of which they did not accept Paul.

That reminds me of this verse T-Bone. . . .

If we have placed our hope in Christ for this life only, we should be pitied more than anyone. 1Cor 15:19

Why is that? Isn't it about our best life now? Why are Christian lives so often marked by suffering? Sin? The fall?

VP started a whole ministry on the premise Christians should be prosperous. . . . looked around his church and saw broken people. . . . he didn't like what he saw.

There is a whole health and wealth gospel people preach.

The Apostles were beaten. . . imprisoned, and martyred. . . . didn't God like them? Were they sinning? Didn't they have power?

Makes you wonder if there is more to it. . . . that whole refining fire, scourging, and chastening thing sounds painful. If it is all for this life only. . . .

I will take a pass. I am counting on the last being first. . . . God better keep up His end of the bargain.

The Lord Jesus was very clear on this matter Geisha...He said that if anyone TRULY followed HIM, they would also be persecuted, suffer in various ways. The servant is not above their Master. So when we are suffering due to our stand upon the Word of God, we shouldn't be surprised. As far as to the Apostles being beaten and God not liking them.....having myself been going through harrowing times regarding my stand upon the Word of God...I'm looking at the whole situation a lot differently these days. I think now it is to God's Glory when you suffer because of your belief on Him and you refuse to recant your faith or your stance no matter hard they are pounding on you to run you off (unfortunately, a lot of this has been coming from self-proclaimed Christians) because you don't harbor the same beliefs as them. But isn't this what Jesus was persecuted for? The upper Jews persecuted him because they viewed Jesus as someone who was departing from the traditional teachings, even though He was correcting their doctrines. Which they hated Him for because He was showing the error of their ways before all people.

I really like reading John Piper. . . . especially his work on the attributes of God. Seems to me he knows the Lord and well. . . . . . I love listening to Matt Chandler. . . . great preacher. . . . and just because they are both Calvinist doesn't mean I can't learn from them.

Matt Chandler is friends with Mark Driscoll, although I can't figure out why. . . . but, nothing like him. I love RC Sproul, he is a brilliant man. . . . do I believe everything he says without question? No. . . . but, I do learn from him and benefit from his teaching.

John MacArthur mostly scares me.

I enjoy reading Reformed Theology and although I don't get the whole predestination thing. . . . I still appreciate the high view of God they hold.

Many of the New Calvinist preachers really know God. . . . I wouldn't ever declare them not initiated.

The only thing that are to be PREDESTINED to is to be CONFORMED TO THE IMAGE OF HIS SON! Sproul is very well educated and yess......MacArthur scares me as well, but probably for different reasons than you.

I'm curious how you reconcile this with the scripture that says God is not a respecter of persons. (ie: treats everyone equally). I really don't believe your interpretation of that passage is accurate. What you've stated is a Calvinist approach to pre-destiny

God is not practicing the "respect of certain people" WS, as I just wrote today, if you are living a life of sin as per se homosexuality and you contract AIDS...is God giving you the AIDS or did YOU open yourself up to it by living a sinful lifestyle. You should already know the answer. God simply states that we are to not live sinfully, because HE knows that sometimes it will affect our physical health.

Well, a point I'd like to make is that Jesus Christ paid for all my sins with His death on the cross. I think this pastor was encouraging me to continue to walk around in guilt and fear. I don't think I want to do that.

Roy, this guy's problem is that he is a Calvinist and believes more what people say about God than he believes God. We left the church plant some months ago and attend another church which we like better.

Kimberly, you're right - this doesn't make a lick of sense. But both this church plant and the one before it seemed to thrive on pointing fingers. I was made to feel second rate and unworthy to so much as sweep the floor after they ran the class that dumped this load of doctrine on me like manure out of a barn.

This guy taught Jonah as evidence of God crushing you until you repent and obey. He scorned anything we said that was different from his own narrow little set of beliefs. He doesn't seem to realize God loves us.

I mentioned last night to Mr. Garden that I wish I had pointed out to this guy that Jesus died for my sins and thus my sins are forgiven, confessed or not confessed, so why would God kick my butt without telling me why. That's like if your kid is sitting at the table quietly doing his homework, and you storm into the room, yank him out of his chair and beat the s#it out of him, then just leave the room without saying anything. Not only are you leaving a bruised, bewildered kid in your wake, but he isn't likely to want to be around you after much of that.

(Of course this guy also told me that comparing God to a human parent is blasphemy; I guess he forgot that Jesus did the same.)

WG

Hi WG,

If we want forgiveness from the Lord, you have to confess. Nowhere does it state that our sins, transgressions or iniquities are automatically forgiven, except at the very beginning. This being complete grace. After this, you must confess (I need to do so daily) to get back into right fellowship with the Lord. As far as Jonah, you can look at it as abusive, I guess, but perhaps it's bette to look at it as The Almighty's Taxi Service for recalcitrant servants.

As far as your former pastor is concerned, he was probably thinking of the gospel account ( don't have my bible for the exact book) where Jesus is healing the blind man from birth and his disciples ask him, "who sinned?" Jesus states neither the man or his parents. But just a few accounts later??? another healing is taking place and Jesus tells the man "go and sin no more lest a worse thing come upon you." Obviously, sometimes sin does bring about physical illnesses, but it isn't to be applied to all. You would need prophetic revelation from the Holy Spirit as to what is causing the illness. For example: if you are living a homosexual lifestyle and you contract AIDS from it, then you are reaping from your sinful lifestyle. Same thing as regarding drug abusers contracting AIDS or hepatitis from using dirty needles.

Blessings

No, he's not mean or cruel, but he seems to think God is! He doesn't seem to recognize evil for what it is and thus believes that everything that happens "passes through the hands of God" to receive His approval.

He is young, however, and does not seem to be me to be particularly mature. I would have been happy to discuss more with him, but he was getting worked up and I was NOT going to allow him to put me on the defensive.

As I recall, Jesus told more than one person "go and sin no more" and certainly that would be foolish, not to mention the height of ingratitude, being healed by Jesus Himself and then going right back to what made him sick in the first place.

WG

If he was getting worked up, then he was unsure of his own beliefs, but quoting what his denomination spews out and your questions put him on the defensive.