brideofjc

I was just funnin' with you.

The kind of "Greek" he talked about in CF&S was not a language.

No offense intended.

OOOOHHHHH... Are you sure it wasn't French????

Like..."Excuse my French??"

me too. well, I can't bring myself to beat up a lady..

Bride.. do you have a bachellor's degree?

just a thought.. there are a few universities *dumb* enough to actually PAY squirrels to torture freshmen with math symbols, or in other words, teach math..

and toss in a generous (almost a living) stipend.. and FREE graduate classes to boot..

Sorry, I still see the humor in all of this.. (i.e. can't stop laughing)..

I won't get rich, but it will be fun..

a man (or woman's ) gift makes room for him (her)..

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might not be at the pay scale one might want.. but what the hay..

Hey, Ham....

I have my Master's Degree. Plus, I have taught this course before and I taught it for free....Started out with 11 students and ended up with four...

I guess it really is true...people place more value upon that which they have to pay for. At the time, I didn't feel led by the Lord to charge a fee....but the Lord has since released me from that premise. I didn't charge before because I was unsure if it would be considered as the Gospel and the Gospel should be taught for free. However, I have since come to terms with that....and I am teaching a language class, not the Gospel.

First off, my point to George wasn't a complaint against Bride's pricing perse (Heck, I have no idea what the going price for Greek coins--err, Koine classes would be.)

Just wanted to point out something else about the free enterprise system to George when he (apparently) thought it was being attacked or something. And that is customers gripe and squawk about prices, whether they are actually 'too high' or not.

And here's to success for Bride's coin--err Koine Greek classes.

Thanks RumRunner and GarthP, I hope so too.

Didn't "Dr." talk about Greek in CF&S?

Talking about Greek and TEACHING Greek are two fundamentally opposed positions.

Shame on you silly boys for being ugly towards Bride's post. I don't agree with a lot of her posts on doctrinal but she is,

as Ham pointed out, a lady. She has always acted so in her posts.

Bride, I love words, languages and the origin of them. I don't know where you live but if I was close enough and my schedule permitted I would take your class.

Like you, I have a business of my own. Besides, being a culinary arts instructor at the college, I give private sewing lessons. Right now my largest class is a group of home-schooling mothers. Whether, I have one or 10 (the limit) the price is the same....$30.00 an hour. They pay one month in advance. The class is once a week for 2 hours. I have a waiting list. The tougher the economy gets the more people are interested in learning this art/skill.

On top of that I have 2 clients I cook for. I go to their home and cook a week's worth of meals. One is an older lady and her children have me do this and pay me. The other is a couple. He is a neuro-surgeon and she is head nurse in her dept. This pays more than teaching sewing. My price does vary with the number of meals I prepare.

Funny, how it is thought the fee you charge is all profit. After planning, studying, preparing, materials, gas, oil, tires, wear and tear on the vehicle, food, hotel, cost of room to hold classes, taxes, and more taxes, insurance, wardrobe, hold $$$ in reserve in case the aforesaid vehicle croaks etc., etc., the profit margin dwindles. Did I mention taxes?

You go girl!!!

Thanks Kimberly,

It is being offered at a ridiculously low price, one place charges $1200 and another $1800. Of course they offer college credits and I do not. You could take their class and AUDIT it for a slightly lower price, but I'm guessing it probably is still way more than what I'm charging.

As far as profit goes??? LOL....You're right, after I have to set aside money to pay IRS for a self employment position, gas to get there if it is within the 200 mile range...or airfare if it is not....hotel, food, printing, possible conference room fees unless a church can host me in their building etc. etc.

So 755.00 for somewhat local and $1000 for further away and the class is being taught at a college level, and it's live with students being able to ask their questions live and not have to do it via email. Yeah...I'd say the customer will be getting a rather cheap price indeed for a high octane class.

Hey, Kimberly....

Like I posted....I am offering to travel as long as there is a minimum of ten students...so if you go to church ...or perhaps you could do me a favor and post it at your university, if you are allowed to do so. I think ancient Greek is the most fascinating of all the languages. Perhaps this is why God chose that moment in history to write the New Testament. :)

I do not know if anyone here would be interested, but I will make it available anyway.

I am now offering to teach Koine Greek classes this summer. Willing to travel and teach classes within a 200 mile range of my area in all four directions, the class being taught on a particular day or eve of the week. If over 200 miles, I offer an Accelerated Class format so that the classes are taught three (2 hour) sessions three times per day for four days.

Tuition within the 200 mile range is $755.00 including your books.

Tuition for the Accelerated Class is $1000.00 including your books.

I do not offer college credits for this class, but you would be prepped for taking a Clep exam.

In any particular area, there is a minimum of 10 students required so as to make it feasable.

For more info, you can contact me at my email addys: newcovenantchristian@gmail.com or J.Ro@whatagod.zzn.com

So for those who go to church here at the cafe, I would be blessed if you would take this to your churches and make it available for those who don't visit the cafe.

For more information:

http://www.newcovenantchristianministries.org/bible-greek

Yeah WG... I did that ONCE....LOL

When it comes to making sure you're entering into the right door....the FIRST TWO LETTERS ARE VAAARRRYYYY IMPORTANT!

Oh, well...I was 3/5ths correct.......

The equipment on the walls were a dead give away though.

It is a shame that the Word of our Precious Lord has been so misunderstood that even the small things such as recognizing that the epistles in the NT were written to specific churches with their specific problems and they are not always to be taken as universal commandments. I know that this will not go over very well with any Fundy's, and believe me, I am very conservative in my doctrinal beliefs, but this is why these letters are called

INCIDENTAL LETTERS, i.e. they were prompted by specific INCIDENTS.

Did you write that, Roy? How lovely if you did!

I was listening to a teaching on marriage and wives today and the guy was pretty accurate - and said that wives do not always have to agree with their husbands - which shocked me. I was taught that I was to line up my thinking with that of my husband so that I was always without exception, completely likeminded with him. I was told that was the reason our son didn't always obey; he saw me not being sufficiently likeminded with my spouse and consequently thought being rebellious and defiant was okay.

I was never rebellious and defiant, nor did we have any discussions or disagreements within his earshot.

What BS.

WG

That's how control freaks do it!

"This is how we do it....nahhhh!" (no tunes available for GS)

During WOW training I was sitting eating lunch at a picnic table outside with a whole bunch of people and VPW came and sat with us. We had little Jello cups and the girl next to me said she wished she had another. VPW stated a minute or two later he didn't want his and offered to give it away. I nudged the girl next to me who was shy, and was afraid to speak up. So, unwittingly and probably really out of turn but without a thought, I said she would take it. VP handed it to me and said, "Here, you opened your mouth! YOU eat it!"

I freakin' hate Jello. But someone else at the table gave me a stern look and said "DO WHAT THE MAN OF GOD SAYS!" Of course VP loved that, and I almost threw up the Jello after I submissively ate the damn slimy stuff.

That was a huge lesson that year. Submission to leadership, no matter what.

I admit, I was a stupid kid at that point and should have kept my mouth shut. But it certainly was a great spiritual lesson learned. If the Man of God says to eat ...., you eat it. Period.

WG

That's what's wrong when submission is done without the full knowledge of the Scriptures. Like you said....submission....or else. I know back then we would have been totally undone to be banned from our euphoric source....but I wished when I quit the first time, I wouldn't have been sucked back in the for the second. At least I didn't go down for the third time....I might never have come up!

so does this stuff you mention not happen in gay marriages?

How would I know???

so you guys think they should outlaw marriage someday?

No, but outlaw chauvanistic and minimalistic doctrines that affect either gender, ....humbly....IMO.

The ghouls and goblins may be hiding in your bible.

I am not in favor of blaming anyone - especially Adam and Eve - for the situations that a person can find herself/himself in today. The idea that women and men act a certain way today is because Eve and Adam did something way back right after gawd made dirt, just smacks of blame shifting. (Not to mention that I"m finding the whole Adam, Eve, and serpent scenario a bit far fetched anyway.)

This just leads to a victim mentality that does more harm than good. I would rather see personal accountability and honesty in marriage, parenting, and life in general. Then you won't have any one sided affairs.

I'm all for personal accountability when it comes to relationships. It has been too far left undone, to just state that submission is only for the wife, when all along it has been the responsibility of both parties to make the marriage work. Sad, but true, unbelievers sometimes are wiser than Christians when it comes to wisdom....would be different if they asked God and not their church leaders. Especially, when the leaders only want to parrot what they have learned and not what they have personally discovered.

Wowser-roos! What a tongue lashing!!!!

Slowly, ever so slowly I have moved away from pre-millennialism because of the things that I have seen in the Scriptures themselves. You can see current events in the book of Revelations or things that have been in progress for some time and realize that most likely we've already been in this triulation...maybe not the BIG ONE, but the birth pangs so to speak.

:huh: Adam said the woman gave him the fruit and he ate it. He didn't say she made him do it, or tricked him. I don't see where he refused to take blame.

Are you saying men are forever trying to get back at women or something? Like Lilith is getting back at Adam?

Just cause men generally have more muscles doesn't mean women don't have their own set of weapons. Is it not a mental "fight"?

If it were only JUST a mental fight, then women would be wearing "the pants" all of the time But it's harder when you're heels are dragging on the ground and your hair has a new doo in the hands of your beloved. :blink:

This thread taken a turn towards the macabre.

Where are the ghouls and goblins, Dooj????

Submission is for both parties, not just a one sided affair.

I am meeting with the minister at the little church that we have attended sporadically since leaving twi next week.

I have been a part of this group, worked with the youth, was a part of their womens group...the whole family attends sunday night bible study....I was rabidly against officially joining. I`ll be damned if anybody will get me to commit to anything and then demand subservience in God`s name ever again.

Well, it turns out that if my kiddos and I are members, it opens all kinds of doors college wise. Scholarships, money for dorm rooms etc. I told the minister who is a dear friend that while I trusted her and the current people who attended our church, what happens in a couple of years when she completely retires...what if the person who replaces her is a real goober?

Well I guess that in truth I will be promising no more than I currently do...dfo my best to serve God and support the church which Linda says that can mean the whole church, the body of Christ. I love these people and for many years have considered myself *home* ..., I don`t know maybe this rabid fear of officially being a member or reluctance to admit that I want to join a church is the next big step in my healing.

I don`t know if I will ever submit to anybody ever again in God`s name..I may be broken beyond repair. I think God gets it though.

I know what you mean when you question the "what if" when she retires. It happened to me and the next one REMOVED me from all programs because apparently he didn't get along with me, yada yada. I'm no longer there. It was never the same.

Yes bride - it is all the fault of men - at least your wording sounds like that - NOT religion which controls men as much as women via brainwashing but simply leaves them with the upper social hand. As if all the men of all time said, "Hey bro we can do this to women." Keep your misandry on some radical thread and keep your false religious accusations where they belong - like in some place where people do not take accountability for their own actions - but conveniently use race, gender, sexual orientation, and any other excuse to blame someone else for their biases.

How sad the folong grip of religion, its infatuation with "a" holy spirit (name your drug's flavor) and its drug-like effect on honesty and humanity.

Not all the fault of rvery man, it started with Adam. He refused to take the blame for what happened, pointed at Eve, she pointed at the serpent. God started with the serpent and went back the way it came and ended up with Adam, apparently where the blame belonged for the most part.

But because in all honesty, since men have more muscles, yup...it doesn't take a Ph.D. to figger out who has won the tussle.

Is there a Reader's Digest available for this?

As a result from not only TWI, but others, I will never sign anything again either.

If the HS agrees with what is said, then fine....

I'm gonna put in my two cents' worth and say IMO only the men who controlled the church before, during, and after the reformation. I watched a smidgen of a PBS program on the English reformation, which came after the German reformation chronologically. It dealt with men like Tyndale and someone else who founded the Lollards whose name escapes me, John somebody I think. I know Tyndale translated the Bible into English and Luther into probably German (?) and so they would have to had been the ones who said "Oh, by golly, I think I'll just make sure everyone understands women are inferior and men are superior.

Just my opinion. I think a lot of men admire and respect women, but of course it's the ones who don't that get in a lot of trouble.

WGfor causi

Unfortunately, it predates then as well....even Augustine was a mysoginist...and Jerome, the author of the Latin Vulgate was so brazen that he actually changed the case ending on Junia's name to JUNIAS - i.e. from female to male.

Need I say more....?????

Then I forget which one....could be Augustine....who BLAMED some woman for causing him to get aroused at the sounds of her skirts swishing in the hallway of the monastery that he was staying in at the time. Like she knew he was in that particular room and so deliberately walked by causing her skirts to SWISH!!! OMG!

Seems to me he should have CONTROLLED HIMSELF, do ya think?

This sounds like a conspiracy theory. BY a few men or all men in general?

LOLOLOLOL

I'm really not looking over my shoulder right now.....

I hope it's not a conspiracy :unsure: just as I said before...if you can see to it that you come out on top....Charles in charge, etc...

All the men...without exception.....

Muhawhahahahahaah!

Like looking at a bad accident is right!

I sure hope our little church plant never starts something like that or I will be making a VERY DRAMATIC exit!

If you happen to run across those notes on context, etc, please post them.

The whole thing is just nauseating; that's not what it says! I looked in every Bible I could find without going downstairs (my office is upstairs) and I don't see this thing about the woman's desires shall be to "rule over) her husband.

Sometimes I wonder if the teachings of the Taliban are infiltrating Christianity.

WG

I do believe, although I am not 100% :) that Abraham predates the Tali-banned!!!!

I will, although I have to go to Panera to do my net thing and so often as it is would be, I do not have my Biblos with me at the same time.

Odd that the writer's of the New Testament would use well known Greek words for well known concepts/beliefs, but mean something entirely different than the accepted use of the words. Seems like that would be horribly confusing to all the newbie gentile converts. Or maybe it was one of those'Christianize the pagan belief to win converts' deals.

Sheol is Hebrew and Hades is Greek. Usually, if you see the original word simply transliterated, it is because the translators had a difficult time of trying to bring into the host language.

I knew it! Couldn't resist....like looking at a bad accident....you just have to....you know?????

Where's that puking icon that floats around the GS?

I think some of the current teaching on submission of women, whatever theological hole it crawled out of, concerns the teaching that when it says in Genesis that the woman's desire will be to her husband and he shall rule over her (Gen. 3:16) that means the woman's desire shall be to rule over her husband and he shall instead rule over her. I am providing a link to an article I found on the internet that discusses this matter, and at the bottom of the article, says this "desire shall be to thy husband" is a term for ruling over him for usurping his authority. He goes on to say the woman represents the soul, and his definition is definitely carnal. The masculine represents the spirit. So the Spirit (God) MUST rule over the soul (emotion, carnal desires, lusts, which are all feminine).

http://pages.prodigy.net/tlbrown/volume3issue2.htm

This is, at least in its discussion of women, submission, superiority and lordship of the male over the female, just about the biggest load of organic fertilizer this side of New Knoxville. I can't find any Bible in the house that translates that verse to mean this.

It is confusing and disheartening, and utterly demeaning to women. Yet this, to my mind, is pretty much what the New Calvinists are teaching; I heard the planting pastor of Mars Hill refer to this in a teaching on marriage.

Oh, yeah, I'm just busting to usurp Mr. Garden's authority. Maybe that's why I consult with him, defer to him and absolutely adore him.

Next thing you know, all these evangelicals, New Calvinists, and other fundys will be wanting women to wear burkas and stay in the house with the doors locked and windows shuttered from the outside.

WG

EDITED TO ADD: I am in NO way advocating this doctrine, merely pointing out some of the false teachings out there that are encouraging wrong practice in man-woman relationships.

Funny, you should bring up those verses WG...when I was in seminary, the professor was pontificating upon those very verses, but then ignored the very fundamental teachings that the seminary was promoting...LOL, i.e. "stay to context"

I unfortunately do not have my Bible with me at the moment, but I do believe I have my notes in the margin and it definitely doesn't mean that.

I don't particularly wish to barf right now, so I won't go the link that you offered based upon your description of the article :blink:

When I GENTLY reminded the professor about the context and offered the meaning.....he just looked at me and I got a "B" on my paper today...do you think there was a cause and effect with that grade??????

It sounded like you were saying that the "false doctrine" has been propagated because of men.

No, not BECAUSE of men, but BY men. If you can fix the odds in your favor....if you know what I mean by that....then say that it is the will of God that you OBEY these rules....

Then keep people (especially the underlings) ignorant of the original languages that the English texts were translated from..well....OMG!

Snowball keeps getting bigger and bigger.....when will it end?