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I also, in TWI was told that one couldn't "talk to Jesus" and in 1993, The Lord Yeshua was watching over me so to speak and I really wanted to quit smoking. Anyway, I tentatively looked up at my ceiling and said, "Father God, I don't know if this is going to anger you, but LORD Jesus, please help me quit smoking. I don't know if I'm supposed to talk to you but there it is. The next day I waited for the nicotine fits to hit, and they never did. I received a miracle that day from the LORD JESUS and I haven't stopped speaking to HIM yet, and neither has HE stopped speaking with me.

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There is a difference between "lifting yourself up" which I would take to be pride and "building yourselfup" by SIT. The fruit is displayed because one is in submission to the Lord Jesus and the leadings of the HS. Fruit is not grown because you can occasionally be gentle, kind, temperate, etc. Just because some people are off (balance) lol, doesn't mean that everyone who SIT is the same. I have never assaulted anyone while SIT, nor have I ever deliberately sold faulty goods. I tend to fear the Lord Jesus just a little too much. So, your last comment was a little unclear..."Thanks for your ART. and exploring the Greek with me, and oh yes i see you "ex" from the Text hummmm I think I will like you, even though you need to see this ... hee hee... lol lol just kidding woo woo God bless you I thought I ran you all off the thread I told you all I had another view point. Hay I will say i see how you come up with some of those renderings but I cant say I can agree with your theory in general." Thanks for my ART?? Ex from the Text?? So you don't agree with the Greek to English renderings? Do let me know...Bless you and SIT much (anyway).

I read it or rather looked at the flow charts provided. The IRS may frown on it, but it is not illegal. As any good accountant will tell you (and this applies to secular businesses) "it is not illegal to AVOID paying taxes, only if you EVADE paying them. A NFP won't even come up on the IRS crosshairs until they start bringing in $100K per year at which time they must begin filing 1090's and declaring what they bring. So, if you are a qualifying church with active services on a regular basis and are tax exempt because of it, again why should the church apologize. Secular businesses AVOID paying taxes if they can as well. I think most of the shareholders of ENRON stock would have wished they could have looked at the books ahead of the catastrophe and then not just the CEO's etc. could have been allowed to dump their stock into the market as well. I personally think that churches should be upfront and open to their congregants and adherants as a matter of integrity before the Lord...but to secular jerks? Just try and get a detailed analysis, completely open... of notable businesses and if there's a way to force a legal injunction against your desires, I'd bet they do it...even if it's just as simple as saying you're not a shareholder, etc. As far as her ministry tithing, hallelujah. Belle commentedMy comment: That's IT?? That's ALL they spend out of $8 million/month?!?! Well, let's see, there are salaries to be paid, utilities, if they serve food, then kitchen costs etc. If the ministry owns vehicles, there's fuel, insurance, maintenance (whether they maintain them on grounds or outsource) there's publicity costs, they mfg their own teaching tapes/CD's, there's studio costs unless they have their own, if they do there's equipment costs for that, plus they might have health/life insurance for their employees and I'm sure the lists could go on and on, such as internet charges, telephone charges, it's not cheap to have 800 #'s for people to call in their prayers etc. etc. So the fact that they give $880K per month....HALLELUJAH! This means lesser ministries are being provided for in the Lord's economy! Please don't knock on ministries that you do not have an inside view of. Since I have a NFP myself, I watch what I do and constantly ask myself, "Will this look all right or would someone question my integrity? Well, enough. I don't listen to her as much, but it bothers me when people just take back slaps without knowing the whole story. Because you can know this...secular newspapers will always write with their own slant and color whatever with the color they wish to paint with that day. Ok, so far, unless I'm missing it somewhere, I haven't seen the actual yearly salary for Joyce Myers. I've seen what the ministry brings in and when she asks for money she mandates that the checks be made out to the ministry and not to her personally. SO WHAT'S THE PROBLEM??? Sounds like a spirit of JEALOUSY to me. She also uses merchandizing techniques and I ask you what is wrong with that. I do not know of one travelling prophet or smaller evangelist who does not do the same. The only difference between the two is the size of the ministries. When the evangelist/prophet is still small....let's just call it a LOVE OFFERING...however, when they become well known...OH, NOW THEY ARE FLEECING THE FLOCK. Please, get real! It is always easy to villainize those that are above you. It is always easier to pull down rather than to lift up. "A middle-aged man wearing worn jeans pulled a wad of $20 bills from his pocket and placed them in an offering envelope. An elderly woman in a wheelchair wrote out a check for $100. " Has anyone asked the obvious question yet? Maybe she's a rich old bag in a wheelchair??? Just because you sit in a wheelchair does not mean that you are living in a hovel and begging on the streets for your money. I hope you see the slant that this reporter is using?? Well, maybe it is just me.... “Don’t let mutterers stop you in life,” Meyer told them, shaking her fist in the air. “People are jealous, critical. They’re resentful. Most people want what you get but they don’t want to do what you did to get it.” I WAS JUST ABOUT TO SAY ALMOST THE IDENTICAL THING! "Granville said he’s heard the criticism of evangelists like Meyer: They live the high life while many of those who support them live at or near poverty." BRIDE - "Assertions do not make the point! Could I please see Census Bureau reports for these statements?? “That’s between them and God,” Granville said. “If they’re getting the word of God out, why should they ride around in a 1980 Pinto? Is Joyce Meyer supposed to come out here in Salvation Army clothes or patched-up jeans?” Meyer wears nothing but the best. Her clothes are tailor-made. She has a private hairdresser. Her nails are perfect. She wears glasslike slippers and dangly earrings and sparkly necklaces. BRIDE - If you can afford to go to Sacs...would you go to the Salvation Army...I THINK NOT! Her workers back in St. Louis pack the things she needs at the conference. Perrier water is a must. BRIDE - "I carry my own water too. Oh, MY GOD...I have an undersink purifier...better get rid of that before I get criticized as well. So, she prefers a particular BRAND NAME....What is the BIG DEAL???? I buy certain brand names too, and I bet you do too! "It takes four 18-wheelers to carry her products and stage setup from St. Louis to each conference. On the road, Meyer and her husband live in exclusive hotels." BRIDE - Sounds cost efficient to me...can you imagine what the postage would be like?? In Detroit, they stayed in a suite in the Townsend in Birmingham, Mich., the area’s richest suburb. The Townsend houses movie and rock stars when they appear locally. Privacy protection is the hotel’s hallmark, and it prides itself on its “discreet” handling of each guest. Suites cost about $1,500 a night." BRIDE - Again, if you can afford it, you would too. Joyce is supposed to go down to "RENT-A-BOX" and sleep in the ghetto? OH, PLEASE! No one here on this forum would do that, unless you are forced to, so why knock her about. Why? Because she happens to be a minister? Even Jesus had an accountant (not too honest), but The Lord still had one! Bet He rode the best mule, too? Want to knock HIM? Be my guest! Belle so kindly found Billy Graham's flow chart or whatever you call those wheels...Belle, could you find one for Joyce's personal salary? That would be very helpful if you could. Let's compare apples to apples. $400K for Billy is nothing to sneeze at either. I am not personally a name-it-claim-it adherant. I do believe in tithing/supporting the works of the Lord. But I let the Lord tell me where I should give my money. When I was still in some churches, their theology was to give the tithing to them and any offerings/gifts were over and above 10% I do not buy this theology in particular. I do believe in supporting the church of your choice because there are costs to the upkeep of a ministry. But I let the HS give to me the %'s that I give to various ministries. If that one guy was "giving" to get material wealth...HE WAS GIVING FOR THE WRONG REASONS! I'm sure his marriage had other problems besides giving to Myers. "T.D.Jakes Headquarters: Dallas Reach: Jakes' "The Potter's House" TV program is seen throughout the world on TBN and Black Entertainment Television. His ministry boasts more than 26,000 members. A rally at the Georgia Dome in 1999 drew more than 100,000 people. Wealth: He has mansions in Charleston, W.Va., and Dallas." BRIDE - And I suppose that these reporters are living on skid row?

Sounds to me like you need to get in touch with King Jesus Himself, and if you are in Covenant with Him, under His blood, you will soon find out what that saying means..."God is sooooo gooood!" Amen! Hallelujah! Well, Hello Garth. Haven't seen you since Waydale days. I do believe you're even more negative than you were at WayDale. But good to see you're still alive and kicking.

I hope this is not a bid for trashing Joyce Meyers!

Indeed, this is why you should read other scholars and let the HS teach you and lead you. Will everything you read be 100% correct? No! But all too often people in general, not everyone, are afraid to read outside of their denominational outlook because when they encounter differering viewpoints of theology, it frightens them deep down and so to avoid this confusion, they'll read only RC books or Presbyterian books or PFAL books, etc. I do not wish to apply a brush stroke of color upon you, but it really sounds like your disillusioned to the max. I hope you get past this. I know it took me a long time to get off of the Waycycle, but it is do-able. God Bless you in your efforts, I hope this humbly offered Greek information will help you in your pursuit of Truth. Please remember, Truth is not a "what", but a "WHO!" .