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Now, Satori, how about giving us the EXPANDED version, according to usage? :D--> George

Raf, "The Twelve Pains of Christmas" gets a little airtime on the oldies station here. I think it's my favorite, too, although "Walking in Women's Underwear" (to the tune of "Winter Wonderland") is close. George :D-->

They were in Houston several years ago, but I haven't seen or spoken with them in over ten years. I don't think they're still around here. Sorry. George

Accepted! :)--> George

Actually, a cubit is the length from a man's elbow to his figertips, usually given as about 18 inches; an a span is the distance between the tip of the thumb and the tip of the pinky when the fingers are separated as much as possible, usually given as nine inches. So Goliath would be about 9'9", still quite large. (Of course a cubit and a span would both be larger on someone that tall -- and Goliath DID have six fingers on his hand! ;)-->) George

Valerie, Did you ever find Sherry? George

Eagle, As I recall, it was you who started this thread by asking what we believe. I'm not sure it's accurate to say that I WANT to believe that the Devil has children, just that my reading of the scriptures convince me of it. As is obvious from this thread, I'm NOT the only one who believes it. You, too, may believe what YOU choose to. George

The pay was lousy, but the perks were GREAT! George

I can't argue with that! :)--> George

I wonder how many surrounding states they need to get enough Corps? Even including "Corps Grads," there can't be that many left in Texas! :D--> --> George

I AM willing to admit that we're not getting anywhere, but I didn't ask you to prove a negative, just show evidence for it. There are plenty of negative statements in the Bible: "God is not a man, that He should lie"; "No man hath seen God at any time"; "I am THE LORD, I change not"; etc. I, and others, have shown several scriptures referring to the Devil's children, his sons, and his seed. Do I have a scripture that says, "The Devil is the father of anyone who commits the unforgiveable sin"? No, any more than I have one that says, "God is the Father of anyone who confesses Jesus as lord and believes in his heart that God raised him from the dead." Sometimes it means putting scriptures together. George

Maybe if you put the beers in "Big Gulp" tumblers? :D--> George

I admit I haven't taken out my concordance to look up all the uses of "tree." If it turns out that in every instance that the word refers to a literal tree (or at least part of one, as in "Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree"), I would have to conclude that the "Tree of Life" and the "Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil" were actual trees. In EVERY instance outside of Gen. 3:15, "seed" refers literally to seed or figuratively to progeny (the result of seed). That's why I say that you need a better reason, to conclude that it means something else in Gen. 3:15, than that you don't want it to mean that. George

What evidence? Where does it say in the Bible that the Devil can't have children? George

I imagine that "tree" has several figurative usages in the Old Testament. The only figurative usage of "seed" that I can find is progeny. If you believe that the word "seed" in Genesis 3 means something else, you'll have to back it up with more than personal preference. George

Actually, a better analogy would be: When a bill is due, (you must) pay it. Before a bill is due, pay it if you want to. George

An interesting sidelight: in Eph. 3:2, the word endings (in Greek) make it clear that it was GRACE that was given to Paul, not a DISPENSATION. (See also vv. 7,8.) On the other hand, in Col. 1:25, "given" agrees with "dispensation." George

Fine. Be that way! ;)--> George

Let's not forget bema, which in the Wierwille years was only a place of rewards. (I guess that Jesus DID get a "crown" at Pilate's bema!) Interestingly, Martindale corrected this years later. George

Indeed, that was my point. Incidentally, the CONTRAPOSITIVE of the original statement would be "If you don't forgive him, he hasn't repented." This IS logically equivalent to the original statement. (If repentance demands forgiveness, then lack of forgiveness requires lack of repentance.) But, neither the inverse nor the converse follow from this. So, If he repents, FORGIVE. If he doesn't repent, forgive if you want to! George

Since year2027 has started a "seed of the serpent" thread in the Doctrinal forum, I suggest that further discussion on this topic be directed there. George

If you have a "dollar cinema," go there! So what if you see the movie two weeks later than everybody else? And feed the kids BEFORE you go! You can probably feed a family of four a decent meal for the price of one large popcorn and a coupleof drinks at the theater. George P.S. Buying in bulk isn't always cheaper. Sometimes the tougher packaging required for a large size may cost more. I've often found that two half-gallons of orange juice cost less that a gallon. If your store lists cost per unit (ounce, pound, whatever) next to the price, that will tell you which is a better deal.

Alden does appear to be a fine young man. And he's preaching a worthwhile message. I use Ad-Aware regularly. Let's hear it for Bow + Son! George

This was just as much of a surprise to me when stumbling upon this, as it might be to you, but - No he ISN'T. Satan is NOT the "God of this World" - at least here in 2 Cor.4. This passage does NOT refer to Satan or "the Devil". At least the second-century early Christians I've read -namely, Tertullian of Carthage in his work against Marcion (Book V) - did not interpret "the God of this world" (or "Aeon") as "Satan". Tertullian, rather than rebuking Marcion for identifying the "God of this world" as "the Old Testament God (in contrast to the New Testament God) - merely shifted a comma _and actually agreed _ with Marcion, that the "God of this World" was - at least to Tertullian's view - the one and same God of both the Old and New Testaments. So we've one proto-orthodox dude and one heretic here who are agreed on one thing - Satan is not the "God of this world" in 2 Cor.4:4. Danny I must admit that I'm not up to speed on Marcion or Tertullian. Correct me if I'm wrong, But I seem to recall Marcion equating Jehovah (i.e., the Old Testament God) with Satan, in that he couldn't reconcile teh apparent hardness of the OT God with the love and light of the NT. As described by Bullinger, et al., OT declarations of God hardening Pharaoh's heart, sending plagues, etc., was an eastern expression of permission; i.e., God allowed such things to happen. (While I agree with Garth that the term "free will" doesn't arise in scripture, I find it inconceivable that God would take over Pharaoh and make him evil just so He could punish him with plagues!) Something else that must be considered is that at least three different Greek words are translated "world": ge, meaning the actual substance of the planet; kosmos, the inhabited world; and aeon, or age. The ge is the Lord's, and the fullness thereof. God so loved the kosmos that He gave His son. The god of this aeon has blinded the minds of those who are lost. I don't have the time now to elaborate (my lunch hour is almost up); but I expect that a working of these words, and especially aeon, will show that the god of this world cannot be Jehovah and must be Satan. George

Happy Birthday! Any news on that OTHER stuff we're praying for? ;)--> George