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Just doing a weather check A la and saying hi! Hi! :)--> If dogs were ducks they'd be happy as frogs today in the northern west coast of the Golden State. I've been in it twice and will again, but I'll stop complaining because -20 celcius! is way colder than it was when I got up this morning. Get out those thick, fuzzy socks! :D--> It's not near that cold here. I actually had to switch out of my shorts for sweatpants last night after I got in, it was THAT cold. On to the next system...and beyond! (work, who's idea was THAT?) :P--> ----------------------------- quack

Yae Oaks! Sad they're gone. I really wish Roy had found the right niche for himself and stopped drinking, too. Reading that last autobio of his by Phil Carson shook my tree. I could understand some of the things he struggled with internally. It was hard to finish it. It seems his family background may have led him to Christ early in life, it's hard to tell. Any idea on that? I ran across a live version of a tune called "Blues in E" online, but the only download I found was a partial. It opens with one of the band saying "Blues in E...look out!" Ever heard of it or any idea where I could get it? It sounded like it was really going to be good. ----------------------------- quack

Got a minute, take an hour! :)--> Hey, A la, it's rainin' like the dickens here, whatever that is. Just let up a bit ago. How's the no'thern country? Here's a cool lyric from Keb Mo. This guy sounds like he's "been there/done that". Neat tune for the GS lunch rush... :)--> ----- I'm Telling You Now So much has went unspoken Along the way Hearts have healed And hearts have broken In the pain of yesterday Gone are the shadows They vanished in the Light Let your heart surrender Let your soul take flight (Chorus) And let bygones be bygones And troubles be long gone And if I never told you How I feel about you I'm telling you now We gather here together With all of our friends In a room full of love and laughter The healing begins And if this was my last moment My last breath I'd wanna be surrounded With joy and happiness (Chorus) And let bygones be bygones And troubles be long gone And if I never told you How I feel about you I'm telling you now And if I never told you How I feel about you I'm telling you now -------------------------- ----------------------------- quack

Oaks, I hope ya know I'm a major Roy B fan. Do you like "The Messiah Will Come Again" with that organ intro?...killer tune. That Peter Gunn version is great. My favs of his vary but I really like "5 String Blues" with the crying sound he gets at the end (gives me goose bumps even still) and "Johns Blues". I read in an autobio that he broke a string in the studio at the end of "5 String" (thus the title) and never stopped playing, and you can't hear it happen. I've listened to where it sounds like it COULD have happened, but man, he was in another WORLD at the end of that tune so I guess it didn't matter to him anyway. :)--> Say Tele, and you've said ROY! I won't start a debate, (or maybe I will!) but Danny Gatton, who's been compared to him often, was never quite up to par. He was also billed as..."The Worlds Best Unknown Guitarist" on occasion. Roy had that funky 4-flat-tires-on-a-muddy-road blues sound that was so natural it just flowed. ----------------------------- quack

Hey Oaks! John Mc is a great guitarist. That's cool, and he has done some incredible music. I remember his "Johnnie McLaughlin-electric guitarist" he did that had some incredible playing on it. There's a group I haven't heard come up yet, maybe so, not sure. "King's X"...Ty Tabor is the guitarist, great rock player. The bassist uses an 8 string bass, each string doubled and it makes an awesome sound. Rattles your teeth! :)--> Has a piano like sound on some stuff. Been taping some albums lately and found my old Jimmy Reed Anthology album, on Vee Jay. They put all his hits on it through the 50's and early 60's, and each song has an interviewer asking him about the song and Reed tells the story behind it. Awesome album. Reed lived his last years in Oakland, California my home town. Great blues songwriter and player. Wrote a lot of his stuff with his wife, Mary ("Mama") Reed. Another piece I picked up on recently is Michael Hedges "If I Needed Someone", his instrumental version of the Beatles song. MAN! That song is deep the way he does it. It just floats along almost timeless. It's really beautiful. well....to bed...catch you all later! [This message was edited by socks on January 20, 2003 at 1:37.]

This is for you A la (quack) :P--> and Kathy and all those who love great literature when it's combined with great melody. Here for your reading enjoyment and pleasure are the lyrics to what has to be one of the greatest songs ever written: Hello Mother, Hello Father Hello mother, hello father, Here I am at Camp Grenada. Camp is very entertaining, And they say we'll have some fun if it stops raining! I went hiking with Joyce Fivey, He developed poison ivy. You remember Lennard Skynard, He got tomain poisoning last night after dinner! All the counselors hate the waiters, And the lake has alligators! And the head coach wants no sissies, So he reads to us from something called 'Ulysses'. No, I don't want (this should scare ya), But my bunkmate has malaria! You remember Geoffrey Hardy, They're about to organize a searching party! Take me home, oh mother, father. Take me home, I hate Grenada. Don't leave me out in the forest, Where I might get eaten by a bear! Take me home, I promise that I will not make noise, Or mess the house with other boys. Oh please don't make me stay; I've been here one whole day! Dearest father, darling mother, How's my precious little brother? Let me come home if you miss me; I would even let Aunt Bertha hug and kiss me! Wait a minute; it stopped hailing. Guys are swimming, guys are sailing. Playing baseball; gee that's better. Mother, father, kindly disregard this letter! ----------------------------- quack

Hey ya, Ted! Thanks. Same to you, brother! It WAS a long time ago, wasn't it? Some things never change though. Wouldn't have missed it for the world! ------------ ----------------------------- quack

A la! Have you ever visited the Corn Cam? It's better than watching ice melt! They say you can tell things about a person by how they eat their corn on the cob. CHECK THIS out for more information! ............... ----------------------------- quack

Glad you're diggin' it, A la! Quack!!! back!!! (or is it Bach?) By the way, do you really like corn on the cob? :)--> ----------------------------- quack

Hope, you make me think yeah, what would the Beatles be like if they'd stayed and "kept it real" in Hamburg and The Cavern, playing for beer and chips? :)--> No, they had to clean up and bring us those collarless suits! And some pretty decent music :D--> Read an interview with Todd Rundgren years ago, where he said he figured, not to be egotistical, but he pretty much had the "pop song" genre down and could pump out tunes in that format with relative ease. (I'd agree wholeheartedly!) He went on to say that he wondered if all the possible combinations of music had already been written and that looking for that "lost chord" for a song was less likely to produce more music as looking to simply create and using whatever forms we knew. It was an interesting observation. Probably represents what most writers do in reality. Hearing that Avril cd reminded me of that, because the music is nothing new. Lyrically, it seems there's a lot of ground we can open up to when we speak from the heart with our own perspectives. And still and whatever...there's always those few songs that come out every year that just seem to put it all together in a new and interesting way! I was never a Ramone's fan, but could see the attraction. They were cool in their own way. I was sad at Joey Ramone's death last year. ------------------------ ----------------------------- quack

another lyric... Out of the mouths of babes... Just got the Avril Lavigne cd. Saw her on SNL last night and went "that's my daughter!" She looks so young. Kids! This song lyric caught my ear: "Complicated" Uh huh, life's like this Uh huh, uh huh, that's the way it is Cause life's like this Uh huh, uh huh that's the way it is Chill out whatcha yelling' for? Lay back it's all been done before And if you could only let it be you will see I like you the way you are When we're drivin' in your car and you're talking to me one on one but you've become Somebody else round everyone else You're watching your back like you can't relax You're tryin' to be cool you look like a fool to me Tell me Why you have to go and make things so complicated? I see the way you're acting like you're somebody else gets me frustrated Life's like this you You fall and you crawl and you break and you take what you get and you turn it into honesty and promise me I'm never gonna find you fake it no no no --------------- ----------------------------- quack

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!! You're Tops!!! ----------------------------- quack

Ha! :D--> A la. Well, God forbid I should ever throw away a piece of music. I'm looking at the photocopy of the "Poems, Prayers and Promises", by John Denver, with the lyric sheet. Looks like it was in D with a dropped D tuning. I seem to remember Ted pulling this one outta the hat. I have it scratched out "pass the pipe" and sang "share the Word around". Denver uses the phrase "my old lady", which really dates this tune. :)--> Back in to the drawer ye go! -------------------- Is the time/space meter needle supposed to be jumping around like that? *tap-tap*...sqwrkltpzfttt@#$%^&!!!!!!.....

alfa, you remember that one?! Thanks, I had a cassette copy of our set that year and loaned it to out, have to see if I can get it back. Thanks for remembering it, man! --------------------------- Is the time/space meter needle supposed to be jumping around like that? *tap-tap*...sqwrkltpzfttt@#$%^&!!!!!!.....

Ha! I have those lyrics around somewhere, have to see what we did with it. Perhaps some kind of plumbing reference was used. :)--> Is the time/space meter needle supposed to be jumping around like that? *tap-tap*...sqwrkltpzfttt@#$%^&!!!!!!.....

A La, one of the tunes we used to do in JN back in our first year was Denver's "Poems, Prayer's and Promises". I sang it, it was a nice tune. Back when we went out WOW in '72/73, "Country Roads" was getting played everywhere it seemed. When I hear that tune I can still recall the place we had at the time and hearing it. Funny. ------------------------------- Is the time/space meter needle supposed to be jumping around like that? *tap-tap*...sqwrkltpzfttt@#$%^&!!!!!!.....

White Album, such good memories, thanks for posting that A la. Dance With Me is just like that for me, just pops out and comes right back! Really love that tune. Love Dear Prudence, Julia, such a soft brooding song, like a dream. "I Will", Blackbird. Cry Baby Cry. I love the way that song sort of wheezes along, like an old organ. Ob-La-Di, such a nice tune, Peruser I agree! That's so funny you mention remembering that, I can still picture my daughter sort of skating across the kitchen floor one day I had that album on couple years ago, dancing along. Fun stuff. "Happiness is a warm gun, momma" (bang bang shoooot shoot!) :D--> Quack! ------------------ Is the time/space meter needle supposed to be jumping around like that? *tap-tap*...sqwrkltpzfttt@#$%^&!!!!!!.....

the 70's. One of my favorite bands was Orleans. John Hall and Lance Hoppen were the guitarists doing nice harmony stuff. John Hall had worked with Seals and Crofts, Bonnie Raitt, lots of people and then bam! Orleans. He wrote a lot of their songs with his then wife Johanna. Here's the lyrics to a song they charted with from their September 73 release, Orleans ll. An all time socks family favorite and an open invitation... Dance With Me Dance with me, I want to be your partner. Can't you see the music is just starting? Night is falling, and I am falling. Dance with me. Fantasy could never be so giving. I feel free, I hope that you are willing. Pick your feet up, and kick your feet up. Dance with me. Let it lift you off the ground. Starry eyes, and love is all around us. I can take you if you want to go. Dance with me, I want to be your partner. Can't you see the music is just starting? Night is falling, and I am falling. Dance with me.

Yeah, Hope. Reagan and that Born in the USA thing...Reagan would have been embarrassed I'm sure, if he could have remembered what he said about it later.... This all reeks of the "genuine suspicion" thing that came not too much later, doesn't it? In Noebel's book, the only way a person for sure isn't a communist is if they've got it stamped on their forehead "Me No Commie" and they've got their Good Citizen card stamped. If a person looks to any kind of alternative solution, approach or philosophy that isn't straight up the flag pole saluting to God and country and apple pie, then they're SUSPECT! I'm sure some of the people he comments on appreciated the publicity. "Finally, someone sees we're here!" And again, Pete Seeger. Everyone knows banjos are dangerous tools of the takeover. :)--> :D--> Perhaps the greatest conspiracy song of all time... Louie Louie! Is the time/space meter needle supposed to be jumping around like that? *tap-tap*...sqwrkltpzfttt@#$%^&!!!!!!.....

Hey Buck! I don't know whether Dylan's conversion was a scam. If it was, what did he gain? He lost some fans who figured uh oh. I don't think so, personally. He has had a way of jumping around over the years from one thing to another. I read some reviews of concerts too, where he was preachin' from the stage. There was a church here in California he was attending at one time, can't remember the name. On face value I'd say he was legit, but face value is a hard thing to determine with Dylan as you say. People grow and change, and he's entitled. Although (IMO) he's very talented, he was also sort of a hack the way he glommed on to the folk scene and invented himself in to a figure of the times, but hey. He saw a hole and he filled it. If he hadn't had something enduring to offer, he'd be next to the Easybeats in the music bins. :)--> That tune "Man Gave Names" is a cool song! For me, it was a nice surprise, an indication of Dylan's song writing chops. That rhyme thing he uses gives it an internal rhythm that makes you go, "yeah, well sure. That animal's a Bear!" It's slick. Who the H ever came up with a song like that before, y'know? :)--> Then after he's got ya ready to fill in every name because of the rhyme scheme, he tosses in the word "lake" and you know what's coming...and it's so cool because it made me think, Damm! I can guess the name, but ol' Adam and Eve never saw him coming... ;)--> "Serve Somebody" was another one. Classic statement, "it may be the devil or it may be the Lord, but you're gonna have to serve somebody". He doesn't say what that means, or how you'll do that or say you're going to heaven or hell for doing either one . He limits the song to one idea and he just works away at it. On one level a person can think, yeah, no matter who you are you're still answerable for your actions. On another, there's a spiritual ring to it. It's a cool tune. Some songs take an idea and try to express every single angle of it..."God saved me, I'm blessed, angels rejoice, the sadness is gone, His mercy made me whole", etc. and you get the whole range of what's on the person's heart all at once. One thing Dylan does very well is take one thing, one idea or sentence and then explores it, makes a big diamond out of a little piece of coal. He's good. ----------- Is the time/space meter needle supposed to be jumping around like that? *tap-tap*...sqwrkltpzfttt@#$%^&!!!!!!..... [This message was edited by socks on January 06, 2003 at 14:42.] [This message was edited by socks on January 06, 2003 at 14:54.]

hey a la, no prob. :)--> Yeah, Taylor's a commie. He and John Hall did that whole anti-nuclear thing years ago and boy, if being against nuclear power plants don't make ya commie, what does??? :D--> Just kidding. I like electricity, too. Voltage rocks!!! The rush to judgment without any real substantive information is typical of Way-Borg "mentality", and I use that word loosely. If Taylor's a commie, pass the armbands. I love that song Home by Another Way. Nice tune. I don't exactly look to entertainers for factual information (rather the way it's processed and expressed), but J.T.'s thoughtful approach to his music and wide range of observation makes me interested in what he would think as well as why he would think that way. No, I've never heard anything in his music close to him suggesting anything more radical than how difficult it can be at times to sort through what goes on in this life. I've seen him a few times and it's like watching your brother play, the one who's been gone away for a long time and now's come home with stories to tell and gifts to give and you can't wait to just sit down and hear all about it because now the family's all together again and we can celebrate our love together. His is a very unique voice. He brings calm to an audience by simply being who he is. It's very interesting. He's a keeper. :)--> Is the time/space meter needle supposed to be jumping around like that? *tap-tap*...sqwrkltpzfttt@#$%^&!!!!!!..... [This message was edited by socks on January 06, 2003 at 14:46.]

Okay, kiddo here's the email I sent ya, with an addition or two...Hope heard the guy so that's good input! Okay, A la. Found the book. It's a first edition, copyright 1974, published by American Christian College Publications so I guess that's when it came out, although I could swear I read it earlier than that. Well, there goes the neighborhood, the brain cell said to the ear drum! Author: Dr. David A. Noebel. Got a "$2.00" price on the cover. Whoo hoo! There's actually quite a bit of information in it, he mentions everyone from Lou Adler to Frank Zappa. A lot of it deals with what he says are/were Communist owned and operated music companies. You'd have to read it to see what you think if he's correct in stating that these people were deliberately making music to condition the youth of the world for a communist takeover. I've heard some of the childrens music he talks about and I dunno, it's hard for me to make the connection he makes to them being subversive. Still, he quotes some interesting analysis of the way that the music is constructed. I'm always interested in all-things-musical, so although I don't agree with it, I still find it interesting. I'd call it a very hard core conservative Christian backed book, presented in a factual manner. One of his main premises was that Communist efforts were incorporating the arts and music specifically to infiltrate and influence youth. It's a "conspiracy" book, if we wanted to call it that...Evil forces behind the scenes manipulating music to break down and destroy emotioanl, intellectual and moral fiber, world domination, demonic planning, that kind of stuff. I will say this, the guy had a lot of background information in the appendixes, footnotes, and bibliography. It wasn't just a rant on the evils of 'that dammed rock music'. There's a lot of work represented in it. Some of it hasn't stood up, though. His pieces on Bob Dylan fr'instance, make Dylan sound like the Commie Pied Piper of the folk rock age, but it's well known that Dylan was never fully embraced by the hard core folkie/political community because he wouldn't take a full unqualified stand on every cause that came up. He was a kid who played in rock bands and liked songwriting and is really more a product of the times than a political black hat. Today he states his primary focus has always been on the art of songwriting. He wrote what he heard, what he thought would be cool and what he thought would get him laid. ;)--> His subject matter has varied widely over the years and he deliberately dropped the folk tag for rock to avoid being trapped in a niche he didn't want. At the time of this book though, he probably looked like Lenin incarnated to Noebel. Noebel does this with other people too. Likewise with the Beatles, I think. The book doesn't really answer the question of who influenced them but rather damns them as filthy perpetrators of evil. Here again he missed a very important fact and this is that their producer George Martin was responsible for a great deal of the innovative sounds they produced. Basically they were songwriters and performers, very good songwriters when I look a the scope of their catalogue. Everyone who played with them in later years has commented on how knowledable they were and proficient on their instruments. The Beatles have all credited Martin as the one who made their ideas reality. He brought a whole range of ideas and techniques to them that none of them knew anything about. A lot of their stuff would be pretty half baked, to be honest, had he not influenced and crafted their sound. If I listen to some of the early work they produced themselves after the Beatles disbanded it's easy to see that they weren't experts at engineering or production and a great deal of their group sounds was based on good engineering in the studio and a great deal of time consuming work in mixing and editing. The fact he missed George Martin's influence is a major error. Same with Brian Epstein. He brought the unique dress to their act, the way they stood, all of that. Were Martin and Epstein Commie driven drug addicts? Hardly. Sooooo I'm not sure what I think of the book. At the time, it seemed a little obvious, as if the only people gasping at what he wrote about all the drug references were those who didn't follow music. Some of his conclusions are arguable, some incomplete, some are kind of whacky, others obvious like Pete Seeger's history. As far as the Beatles go, he also missed the fact that MONEY was the prime motivator behind their success and Commies don't like that capitalistic crap. Not a one of them gave it all away for the "People's Cause". The Beatles were fairly straightforward musicians and songwriters and their craft has held up nicely on a lot of their material. They're management and label marketed them like hot dogs. When they tried their ideas on their own with the Apple label, it pretty much proved to be an open spigot for any hair brained idea that walked in the door and they had to cut it way back before they spent all their money. So, I dunno. If you want it, I'll send it to you. Lemme know. love ya, /jr Is the time/space meter needle supposed to be jumping around like that? *tap-tap*...sqwrkltpzfttt@#$%^&!!!!!!..... [This message was edited by socks on January 06, 2003 at 15:11.]

Man, I don't know where to put this, so here goes. There's been a lot of discussion about 1942, the snowstorm, and the promise to VP that if he'd teach it, God would teach the Word to him like it hadn't been known since long time gone. That's actually kind of neat taken on just face value...A message that has been lost and a requirement that to have it shown to you will be you have to share it with others. Can anyone document where and when God told VP to put it in to a class and sell it for money? -------------------

A la, I've got that book out in the garage and I'm going to get it out tomorrow and peruse it, just for you. :)--> I can't even remember why it got circulated, it was around 70, 71 or so though if I remember right. It would poke it's head up from time to time. I'll have to look at it. ---------------------- Is the time/space meter needle supposed to be jumping around like that? *tap-tap*...sqwrkltpzfttt@#$%^&!!!!!!.....

:)--> Cool! Thanks! We got something goin' here. I'm going to work on that, and if there's anymore ideas, lay 'em on us! Happy New Year! Hope everyone has a happy and safe holiday. -------------- Is the time/space meter needle supposed to be jumping around like that? *tap-tap*...sqwrkltpzfttt@#$%^&!!!!!!.....