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  1. Shaz, I do the same thing! It's a great little melody..."He's so-o fine"..."My sweet Lord..." :)--> I think we agree, no free passes or coupons for being good or prolific or selling lots of units. Obeying the laws of the land seems reasonable and downra-ht biblical. Jesus did, He paid taxes didn't he? Really, I'd think that one bennie of being the Messiah would be you wouldn't have to pay taxes, but He did. Just goes to show ya, I guess. Shaz you've inspired me to drag out that old chestnut topic I like to pick on and give it a whack, and that's the selling of "God's Word" for money, IE personal gain. I think that the laws of ownership, copyrighting, licensing and all that good stuff pointedly apply to the writings under discussion becuz they were written, printed, published and made available in the marketplace. Sold for money, both as part of the registration fee/donation for the class(es) and through the Way Bookstore, or any other outlet that would carry them. Is that a bad thing? Let's say for a second no, not on face value. Peopel write books, they're published, they get sold. So what's the beef? The beef is that if and when we choose to function within the public marketplace, we have an obligation to observe and obey the laws that govern it. Maybe they're not fair or even right...so we could go about trying to change them, make new ones, better ones. But what's so bad about footnoting sections and saying "these x paragraphs have been used with permission by the author as they appeared in the book "ABC", or whatever the case may be. If you thought it represented the best way to express something, you could just ask the author for permission to use it and if you were granted it, you could use it. Course that opens a whole nother can o' worms I bet. ;)--> Otherwise...we should not do it. It just seems like basic honesty - and even more so when you're dealing with a topic like the bible as taught in PFAL where the core message is the INTEGRITY of the Word. VP decided to write, publish, print and sell his writings. By doing so, he was obligated to observe the laws and regs that govern such an enterprise. Whaddya think, Mike? Was every i dotted and t crossed? Given the estimated intelligence of VP, doesn't it seem like a somewhat more circumspect and expansive approach to his publishing enterprise through the Christian American Press would have been fair, honest, and the right thing to do? 'when you're in love, there's no time and no space. there's a permanent smile on your face... and hey somewhere, you threw your fear in the sea of no cares...'
  2. Rafael, I figured you'd appreciate that. I really think the whole issue speaks first and foremost to the honesty of the person doing the writing. It's rampant in music on all sorts of levels. The Rolling Stones would be pumping gas if not for a few artist's whose music they absorbed, Muddy Waters, Chuck Berry, Jimmy Reed, some others. Now all these years later, they have their own "sound" but they clearly and consistently recognize and point others to the "originals" that influenced them so strongly. They obviously feel their music is their own but anyone who knows American music knows the bucket they carry their tunes around in was made by others. It would be laughable to claim it's cut from cloth of their own making. When we get to talking religion though all bets are off, every person who blows their nose with a bible can say their guided by the very hand of God and they're usually doing it while they're selling you brand spankin' "new" bible hankies for cold, hard cash. And that's the rub. It's all about money. Here's a guy who says he's got the very promise of God that if he'll teach it, God'll teach him bible like nobody's business, and what's he do? He sells it. 'when you're in love, there's no time and no space. there's a permanent smile on your face... and hey somewhere, you threw your fear in the sea of no cares...'
  3. Hey Raf. Poked in when I saw your name. Just for the "record" :)--> :D--> the lawsuit regarding "My Sweet Lord" was over it's similarity to the song "He's So Fine" by the Chiffons, released in 1963, 7 years before George Harrison released his song. It was a matter of musical similarity in the chorus. And here's a quote from the court regarding Harrison's song: --- The court in Bright Tunes Music Corp. v. Harrisongs Music, Ltd., 420 F.Supp. 177 (1976), concluded that George Harrison had indeed infringed upon the copyright of He's So Fine . The decision was unique in that the court acknowledged that Harrison may have unconsciously copied the tune. The court stated: "His subconscious knew it already had worked in a song his conscious did not remember... That is, under the law, infringement of copyright, and is no less so even though subconsciously accomplished." --- I am a real fan of George Harrison and his music and have some familiarity with the field myself, so I'd have to state two things that could be relevant to the discussion of copyright law and it's moral and ethical underpinnings - 1) George Harrison was certainly familiar with the Chiffons music and the music of that era of that there is no doubt, he was steeped in 50's and 60's rock. The court decided against him because it allowed for a "subconscious appropriation" of the material in the Chiffon's song, and although he may not have deliberately copied it, I doubt he denied the similiarity. Morally there may have been no foul, but in application, the two songs were extremely similar to each other in parts. 2) Nothing musical is new under the sun, unless you count actual sounds such as artificially created sounds. All notes/pitches already exist and it would be safe to say (and I doubt any trained musician would argue) that their various combinations have been rendered at one time or another. So similiarites are going to abound and every musician that learns and develops will also take on an "ownership" of what they learn, in the same way any artist or craftsperson will tend to feel they own their own talents and experience. Still, it's all been done before, and where we see "new" musical renderings are in the various combinations and sounds that are written and performed. But no musician will likely say that their musical output is "new". Improved, rewritten perhaps but not new. Harrison could never have intelligently argued that he was "too late to get the legal ownership" of the song, because his song was in fact completely separate from the Chiffon's song and came years after the other one which had already been written. He wasn't "too late", he simply wrote his own song based on elements of another one. The similarities were in the melody of the chorus and of course the lyrics were much different. Because it was George no one held it against him over the long haul. Of all the musicians you could name, his was certainly a good heart when you look at his life. Had he argued and challenged the court I'm sure it would have only worked against him. Arguing along the lines of no one really owning anything "it's all Gods anyways" is an interesting argument though. Hey, I like your pants, gimme. They're God's anyways. Don't show me no receipt, GIMME. --> 'when you're in love, there's no time and no space. there's a permanent smile on your face... and hey somewhere, you threw your fear in the sea of no cares...'
  4. vickles, it hurts to read about that. At least it's past. I can't think of many situations that would benefit from public discussion like that. It's a totally stupid way to deal with important concerns if they are that, yet it's so prevalant in the Way. I used to hate it when VPW would do that, too. Two of the very few times he and I had it out when I worked at the Way Nash involved his temper tantrums and his tendency to fly off in public over things that he could have handled privately. Everyone would figure "well, maybe God told him to do that". Right, that's a good excuse for anything, y'know. Unfortunately he set a horrible example in that category. Many of the people who were exposed to him up close picked up on it, figuring if that's the way he handled things there must be a good reason for it. They just turned around and copied him. It also gave people with short fuses a license to Rip, rather than control their anger and do good by people. Many people liked that feeling that "God is HOT TONIGHT!" when some toilet mouth would get on a rant about someone or something. Like cheap entertainment, but the cost to people is very very high. Sick... In observing various leaders over the years, I'm sure that the power/control side effects of that kind of thing were big motivators. Now, that might sound obvious, but some people act that way just because their callous boors. Others do it so that they can establish boundaries to control with. It's like "I'm the Boss and if I say you need a New One ripped tonight, that's what's gonna happen". Plus some people are just plain mean, they like to hurt others and some people like to watch it. Add a few Singalong the Way tunes and you've got a Branch meeting in some places. Very weird. Isn't it good to be out of that whole environment? As far as Nose Goblins in public, ya gotta say something! I'd want to be pulled aside and handed a kleenex or something. That's probably what I'd do with someone else. ;)--> I went walking in to work one morning with my zipper down. :D--> A guy I know grabbed me and pulled me over to look at the cafeteria menu that was posted up and leaned over and said "zip it up man you're going to catch cold!" I greatly appreciated his approach. :D--> 'when you're in love, there's no time and no space. there's a permanent smile on your face... and hey somewhere, you threw your fear in the sea of no cares...' [This message was edited by socks on June 19, 2003 at 2:42.]
  5. Charcoal! Reason - flavor! 'when you're in love, there's no time and no space. there's a permanent smile on your face... and hey somewhere, you threw your fear in the sea of no cares...'
  6. Tannis, our love and prayers are with you and your husband, and family. I pray his health will be there many more years to come. I can't help you with the people you're looking for, I hope someone can. Love. 'when you're in love, there's no time and no space. there's a permanent smile on your face... and hey somewhere, you threw your fear in the sea of no cares...'
  7. "Change is good. You go first"....dilbert. Well, here goes, socks posting, winsrv.dll error coming up. Expect thread deterioraton in 15 minutes. All systems go. BSOD pending....Next stop, party at Ground Zero. :D--> "Oaks, play it again, you know the one, 'Sounds of Silence' ". I have to say that although I'm only reponsible for about 15, tops, of the 25,000+ hits on this thread, everytime I scroll past it I get a little rub at the word "ubiquitously" and the way it's used. This may have already come up. Dunno. It's a minor irritation, on par with say, that little scratch on the inside of the entryway in to our home. I have it down to address that little scuff this summer, so it's a minor irritation at most. I've wanted to offer this illuminating observation and had it down to do so in my little mental pad so here goes. Hope it's not too petty. Ubiquitous is an adjective and it means: Being or seeming to be everywhere at the same time; omnipresent: ?plodded through the shadows fruitlessly like an ubiquitous spook? (Joseph Heller). dictionary.com Ubiquitously is an adverb. A ubiquitously hidden teaching....? One that was/is hidden everywhere at the same time....I dunno. It reads as if to say that it was "everywhere hidden at the same time" by VPW. It seems to imply further that VPW therefore deliberately hid it from view so no one would see it. Or maybe the teaching was hidden until such a time that someone would "find" it. Another offering of same: "The Hidden Teaching That Was In Everything Taught".... Still another: "The Teaching That Was Hidden That No One Could Find". And yet another: "The Teaching That Was Hidden That No One Could Find But That Didn't Work Because I Found It And Now I Know That It Was Omnipresently Hidden So That It Could Be Found But Not Until Someone Found It And Finding It Is Only Part Of The Story". There are others, but these are possible options, and perfectly servicable and useable if they fill the bill and fit. I offer them expecting no renumeration or recognition of any kind, financial or otherwise, only the personal satisfaction of a job done, if not well, then well, done. I'm done. Which reminds me, that "done" is one of those words that, if said enough times, sort of loses it's meaning. Try it...."I'm done. I'm done.I'm done.I'm done.I'm done.I'm done.I'm done.I'm done.I'm done.I'm done.I'm done.I'm done.I'm done.I'm done.I'm done.I'm done.I'm done.I'm done.I'm done.I'm done.I'm done.I'm done.I'm done.I'm done.I'm done.I'm done.I'm done.I'm done.I'm done.I'm done.I'm done.I'm done.I'm done.I'm done.I'm done.I'm done.I'm done.I'm done.I'm done.I'm done.I'm done.I'm done.I'm done.I'm done.I'm done.I'm done.I'm done.I'm done." After awhile, it sounds weird. "Duhn". Then you have to try another word. "Finished". But then if you say it enough times, you get this whole Swedish-Norwayish-Finland thing going, or is that just me? Anyway... I'm finished. (note to self, check thesaurus.com for alternate words....) ----------------------------- quack
  8. Happy Birthday, my man! Join the club! A little birthday humor: Knock knock. Who's there? Squi. Squi who? Squi! Gee, can't you here??? See, windows, the things that...never mind. :D--> Have a great day! ----------------------------- quack
  9. In honor of April 15th, George "the quiet Beatle" Harrison sings: The Taxman Let me tell you how it will be There's one for you, nineteen for me Cos I'm the taxman, yeah, I'm the taxman Should five per cent appear too small Be thankful I don't take it all Cos I'm the taxman, yeah I'm the taxman If you drive a car, I'll tax the street If you try to sit, I'll tax your seat If you get too cold I'll tax the heat If you take a walk, I'll tax your feet Taxman! Cos I'm the taxman, yeah I'm the taxman Don't ask me what I want it for (Aahh Mr. Wilson) If you don't want to pay some more (Aahh Mr. Heath) Cos I'm the taxman, yeah, I'm the taxman Now my advice for those who die Declare the pennies on your eyes Cos I'm the taxman, yeah, I'm the taxman And you're working for no one but me Taxman! ----------------------------- quack
  10. Hey, almost forgot! The wif' an' me went with some friends and saw the Moody Blues a couple weeks ago. It was GREAT. They had 3 of the original band, with a keyboardist filling in on this tour, two backup singers and a second keyboardist plus a second drummer. I used to listen to them some, enjoyed their tunes, had a couple friends really in to them, but never followed them closely. I have to say I went thinking well, this will be interesting and enjoyable but I didn't know just what to expect. They completely knocked us out. They ROCKed, did some new songs plus lots of earlier tunes, so many songs I hadn't heard in YEARS. It really took us back to a cetain era of our youth that was to some extent all but forgotten. I found myself thinking of old friends, things we did. (my wife and I met as teenagers and I'm tipping the scales over 50 now. She's close but looks 30 wouldn' ya know. :)-->) It was a really wonderful night, nostalgic in a good way. We all felt like their lyrics were so much more meaningful now than when we were younger. It really made me respect the songwriting craft and thought they have put in to their music over the years. If ya like them way back when and you can see them now, do it! It was a great night. ----------------------------- quack
  11. Mr. Hammeroni, welcome! Is that Spirit of Randy California/"I Got a Line On You", Spirit? LOVED that band! Not many others I've talked to have heard of them! COOL! ----------------------------- quack
  12. Glad y'all enjoyed it! As to who sang it, I heard several do it over the years JessJoe, in the Way. It's just a great song. Charlie, I agree that is a great tune too, alright! Thanks for the word. :)--> The way it's put opens up on different levels, reading it. It's cool. There's a few Jeff Beck fans round here, good to have you! ----------------------------- quack
  13. Jesse Joe, that would be "Turn Your Eyes Upon Jesus". Here's the original lyrics: O soul, are you weary and troubled? No light in the darkness you see? There?s a light for a look at the Savior, And life more abundant and free! Turn your eyes upon Jesus, Look full in His wonderful face, And the things of earth will grow strangely dim, In the light of His glory and grace. Through death into life everlasting He passed, and we follow Him there; Over us sin no more hath dominion? For more than conquerors we are! His Word shall not fail you?He promised; Believe Him, and all will be well: Then go to a world that is dying, His perfect salvation to tell! Turn your eyes upon Jesus, Look full in His wonderful face, And the things of earth will grow strangely dim, In the light of His glory and grace. :)--> It's a sweet, sweet song. ----------------------------- quack
  14. Interestin' topic, Yana! For the Beatles, I'd say it was Rubber Soul. [Drive My Car Norwegian Wood (This Bird Has Flown) You Won't See Me Nowhere Man Think For Yourself The Word Michelle What Goes On Girl I?m Looking Through You In My Life Wait If I Needed Someone Run For Your Life] They jumped way out on this album, from the cover art, to the writing. The Beatle suits went south. They really staked a claim with their songwriting on it. Norwegian Wood is on my personal top 10 list of all time greatest songs. So poignant, understated, musically simple, so much implied and so sweetly. Michelle really set the McCartney tone for years to come. It was like he took the whole cabaret songbook and lept from "Till There Was You" and stamped his own tune in the book with this one. French lines. Killer tune. In My Life...a classic. You Won't See Me...whew! The bridge harmonies and chords on: "time after time you refuse to even listen. I wouldn't mind if I knew what I was missing. (no I wouldn't, no I wouldn't) great rhythmic pacing...a real Lennon/McCartney irony/contrast twist to it. I think they sharked out on this one. :)--> ----------------------------- quack [This message was edited by socks on April 06, 2003 at 23:20.]
  15. Ignore, Oaks???? Can'na be, laddie! In fact, you inspire this confession: I think "Crazy Train" has one of the best opening guitar riffs ever...Randy Rhodes? When Ozzie does his "Aiii aiii aiiii!" it's classic, near as good as Roger Dalty's stutter on "My Generation" as a patented bookmark sound. Course then after the first 30 seconds or so....zzzzzz...... :D--> But Beck....now yer talking! Friend of mine saw him in Oakland, CA. a while back. Said there was no mic onstage, period. No song introductions, no nothing. He just PLAYED, being his skinny li'l bad a$$ self and it was more than enough to sustain the entire concert, he said it was awesome. How many musicians can do that? :)--> ----------------------------- quack
  16. Johniam, never heard much about the Dead while in the Way. They may have been more of an acquired taste, and too "under the radar" since they didn't have much commercial success. (although they made bundles over the years just doing their thing) I know people that sure liked their stuff, though. Chatty, this comment of yours resonates: "But like most organizations there is always the anal retentive snot nosed understudying whispering in someone?s ear the evils of thus and thus. Think that is where their attitude on music came about." :)--> As advisors to The King, they remind me of poor, wretched Gollum in the Lord of the Rings.... "they wants to steal precious, master...don't lisss-sten to them...evil they are, master, follow meeee, my master!...." ----------------------------- quack
  17. (careening off topic.... Hope, they're a kick, hey? The same tired a$$ people saying the same tired a$$ things and flogging the same poor ol' tired a$$ dead horse. "Look at how wonderful we are, can it be so bad when we all smile soooooo much?!" Meanwhile somebody's porking someone else's wife or husband in the next room. The only fun thing about being alone in a room with their "heavy hitters" would be to lock the door and say "Now NOBODY gets out till I say so...." ;)--> Maybe they should've just had a big box of condoms out in the entrance to the WOW auditorium before SNS's. Then everyone would have at least known what to expect. .........back to topic at hand....) ----------------------------- quack
  18. Awwwww, Chatty...please? please please please please please please please???? Just one?????? I'll personally polish to perfection each and ever cd, removing all stickiness. :P--> (releasing barrage of marshmallows - spak spak spak spoink!) Not to change the subject from cake and Ozzie, but I just listened to some GREAT music, Amanda Marshall. (thanks A la! :)--> ) Nice stuff, had never heard her before. Last month it was Jann Arden, I was on her cd for a week like sticky on a stamp. I am also now a dyed in the wool Great Big Sea fan. Those Newfies have a great sound, full of big guitars, lotsa life. Got tickets to see Nora Jones in August! Yae!! Picked them up the night before she scooped up all those Grammies! And tickets to see the Moody Blues, March 27th. Never saw those guys in the 60's or 70's so I'm hoping it will be a great night of music with fine friends. "nights in white satin"....doo doo doo doo dooooo.... :)--> ----------------------------- quack
  19. You may be right Chwester! haa! ----------------------------- quack
  20. socks apologizes in advance and arrears for the above post as he wipes cake out of his hair. ;)--> ----------------------------- quack
  21. A-ha! There ya go, Oakspear, thanks. I thought they were BS'ers. There goes that small bit of appreciation. :P--> Chwester, I see what you're saying. I got tripped up on the food/music comparison, but I think I get what you're saying. I'd compare music differently to eating food, though. Hearing music may be more like rubbing an apple on my head than it would be like eating it. Maybe. In fact, I suggest a test. Let's all rub cake on our heads, the real high calorie stuff, and see if we gain weight. It may take several pieces to get it right. In further fact, let's all rub cake on each OTHERS heads and see who gains weight! Who wants to be first?? :)--> :D--> :D--> FOOD FIGHT!!!! :D--> :D--> (Chatty reaches for her classic Clapton CD set and runs for the door as sock pelts out two, count 'em TWO football size cupcakes at her!!!!) ----------------------------- quack
  22. Well, Chwester, I'd agree with you that Black Sabbath was always a pretty pi$$ poor band outside of the guitarists who came through it, Randy Rhoads, Jake Lee, Zak Wylde, can't recall any others right off. IMO Ozzie O was and is a sad-sack "performer" who sounds like a bad case of nasal drip. (ducking bananas from the BS fans!) I dunno, they never moved me. I figured, if Satan is actually using fat a$$es like Ozzie to pump his stuff, he's pretty hard up. But then your average televangelist has roast rump too. I just never took them seriously. Like, if they think that's evil, they need to take a walk through the neighborhood I grew up in and see a guided tour of hell. Anyway, that's my yearly BS rant. :P--> I don't understand this though: "Any music you listen to is definitely going to have an effect on the listener. Just as any food you eat is going to effect the eater." Any music? Has an effect? How do you figure? Music isn't like glue, it doesn't stick to our brains just because we hear it. I'm not sure what you mean. I'm taking it you're talking about pop music and "songs"? Also. instrumental music is a while different ballgame in my book, it required a much more engaged body and mind. Granted, if I hear lyrics about killing hamsters or abusing ducks, I turn it off right away but in general, I'm not sure what you mean...? ----------------------------- quack
  23. Hey Goey, I'm inclined to agree with you. Another thing that hits me along these lines is that Lucifer/The Devil isn't actually the mirror image of God, as in the "opposite". God's God. Luci's a created angel of high rank with a bad attitude or something. They aren't equal. So it doesn't follow by any "logic" that ol' Luci would be utomatically able to replicate something like a "birth". The older Dealing with the Adversary class taught that the "seed" birth thing boiled down to an impregantion that "held the mind" open. I pictured it at the time as sort of a permanent wedge. It was taught that it held the person open to the D.S.'s influence. I know why Ali won the Louis fight though. He was one BAD mothah! ----------------------------- quack
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