Thomas Loy Bumgarner

And the winner is a tie between 2 dark horses who aren't GS reg. Ryan Stiles and Colin

Mocherie. Oops! wrong show !That's right, the points/votes don't matter. And if you believe that then my name is Drew Carey. hehehe!

And of course Donna and Rosalie as the 2 witches of The East and the West,

respectively. Not sure where this puts Chris Geer, unless he is the Dorothy Gale character.

Ham, you didn't vote for yourself more than once, did you, or use dead people?

Raf and Ham, and others, my fear is that Mike, Allan, MDVarand and others will steal and nullify this election. I still don't trust the electoral college. Whoops, wrong election. Sorry!

Reminds me of Frank Baum's OZ books where Wierdsvillage is behind the curtain addressing Martindale as the scarecrow asking for brains, Howard Allen as the wood tinman for a heart, and Robert Moneyhan for courage.

I just doubled checked. It was Doug Mcmullen, not Craig Martindale who was at the visitation and memorial service, and was rooming at holiday Inn Express in Wapokenata. Maybe some people never met Doug before, so sorry for the insult Doug.So here ends the rumor and gossip.

Like Ham, I would bring back Rock of Ages, but have it move around the country. Also return Wierwille and Kipp property to John Paul, Sara Kathryn, Mary Ellen, Karen Ruth and their children who may chose to tear down any building they desire, or sell it to Shelby and Auglaize counties for an industrial park to help the local economy.Oh excuse me, I didn't know the polling was over.Although this in in jest, some of the issues are real and needed to be addressed seriously.

2 other campaign promises : get an outside auditor to go over the financial records and offer refunds to those who paid for classes(Since in my earlier post about Alpha, Beta, Beginnings, Christian Believer,etc. is

free of cost and you may drop out, no green card/contract to sign) and free beer and unpolluted pizza for all.Please vote today here online at greasespot cafe.No fund raisers.

I declare my candidacy for President of the new and improved TWI. 1. admit

past sexual harassments by LCM and allowing former members to sue in both criminal and civil courts. 2. kick out Rosalie Rivenbark, Harve Platig, Jean-Louis what's his name, and other BOT/D, Robert and Dottie Moneyham,

Howard and Imogene Allen, etc and say don't come back. 3. Replace Way of Abundance and Power/Power for Abundant Living Classes with Nicky Gumbel's

Alpha/Questions of Life and United Methodist Church's Beginnings/Along The Way and other such materials too many to mention. 4. Make The Way International Biblical Research Institute truly ecumenical and inter-denominational with real experts from many denominations on research staff.

5. Finally, permit people to ask questions and disagree with your conclusions. But I seriously doubt that any of the above would be allowed.

A couple of corrections: I meant Mary and John Sommerville. Second, I was told that the person we are talking about is not Craig, but a member of CFF who has a goatee and wild unkeept, thin hair with a pudgy face. John Paul spoke to this person privately Friday night outside the funeral home and did not seem upset.

To Ted, John Paul, Sara and Kevin, Rhoda, Karen and Jim, John and Ruth, and John Lynn: Thank you for allowing me the privilige of Attending the memorial service and seeing some old friends. No, Craig was not there though someone else with thinning hair did attend whom I did not recognize might have been mistaken for LCM. The service was mostly under CFF co-operation. Is Walter J. Cummings still alive and how is his health? Ted, I know this is not the appropiate thread, but where is Brian Bliss and Stevie kay these days? Thomas

Ham, I know who you mean, but is that Doctor Who of British Science Fiction, you know the Time Lord with K-9 alias Here Tick(heretic)?

I am organist/Director of Music at Holy Cross Lutheran Church in Lincolnton,

NC where we are getting ready to run our 7th Alpha Class (Nicky Gumbel DVD

from Holy Trinity Anglican Church Brompton Road in Knightsbridge London,England) which is a vast improvement over Power For Abundant Living or its successor Class on The Way of Abundance and Power.Church's email is http://www.holycrosselca.org which also has a link to Alpha(www.alphausa.org) in care of Holy Trinity Episcopal Church in Manhattan,New York City.

Karl refers to TWLIL,UH, and BTS plus materials from John Judes(Lutheran pastor from MO.SYN.), J.L.Williams, Jack Sparks, Ronald Enroth, and Douglass Morton(former PFAL grad). He gives answers to Elena Scott Whitesides'book The Way:Living in Love discussed on another thread by WordWolf.

I don't care if gas is $5.99 a gallon, I am attending her funneral. I will leave Friday Morning from Hickory. I'll try to get Mike Tomberlin and others to go to Ohio. John Paul, Sara Kathryn, Kevin, my heart goes out to you.

Dotsie, rest in Christ's peace, and may perputual light shine on you. Amen.

Maybe next year we can have ROA at Red Rocks in Colorado where John Tesh had his concert. So Welcome to the Rock of Ages 2006, it's good to be home again(?). Your'e my kids, oops got possed by the devil spirit of Wierwille. Sorry about Rosie. Would you beleve it or not?

Dear Ham, Uncle Hairy, and WW, check out Karl Kahler's book The Cult That Snapped which gives more info om TWLIL, UH, and BTS(Born to Serve) and how all 3 don't line up together. Also, I hve been informed that Jim Doop is writing his own book about his Way experinces. I am surprised that VPW didn't mention Dietrich Bonhoffer as one of his proffessors at Princeton.

He did not teach at Gordon , but rather was guest preacher for chapel and

optional lecture for only 1 day. Moody Bible Institute know suspects that Wierwille attended one day during open house sitting in class as visitor, also checking out their library and bookstore on Ruben Archer Torrey(2nd president of MBI after Moody himself). Also Wierwille's writtings seem to be influenced by Albert Benjamin Simpson, Smith Wigglesworth(who taught Stiles, Leonard, Kenyon, Oral Roberts, Hagin, and Copeland), Lester Sumrall, Dale Carnegie, Norman Vincent Peale, a young Robert Schuller,etc.

To John Paul, Sara Kathryn, Kevin, and others, In my private post to you, I offered my sympathies and said that my mother herself is in the last stages of Alzeimhers, so I know what you all must be going through. Pleases let me know of her funeral and I shall try to get there for it, that is if Rosie will allow us to attend. I promise there will be no protest, at least on my part. Agape, Thomas

John, I had emailed you on private post about

Pressed Down's 3 CD's and that I was interested since I no longer have record player. Can you PM me about Joe or Ralph's email, phone number or snail/postal address? TLB

Oldies, I own all 10 books by Bullinger including job, Revelation, Ten Sermons on 2nd coming, Hebrews 11,plus the ones you mentioned;

Ruben Archer Torrey = Power Filled Living(including difficulties of the Bible), and What the Bible Teaches; Alber Benjamin Simpson's

The Holy Spirit/Power from on High, 1st Centuary Church in the Book of Acts; Lester Sumrall = Gifts and Ministies of the Holy Spirit,and Spirit/Soul/Body; not counting Kenyon's 2 books on Bible Courses, David Ireland,Sam Storms,Smith Wigglesworth, Dennis Bennett, Derek Prince, Nicky Gumbel, Neil Anderson, etc. just to name a few authors. Also Kenneths' Hagin and Copeland.

Bullinger was dead by the time Wierwille did PFAL, as was Ruben Archer Torrey, Smith Wigglesworth, Albert Benjamin Simpson. Cliffe, Starr Daily , Glenn Clark, Edward William Kenyon(Dead by 1947), Dale Carnegie, Norman Vincent Peale, Robert Schuller, Kenneth Hagin, Jerome Edwin Stiles, Brian George(or is it Gregory?)

Leonard did not have the time or money or knowledge to pursue it.

I also enjoyed the food at ROA. Looks like I have unintentionally derailed this thread. Where's Mike, MDVarden, and oldiesman when you

want opions and discussion? Also seems the same

occured with the CCM thread. Come on folks, give me some slack. Ham, Belle, Rascal, others, anyone around?

Where's Joe Fair, Ralph Graham, Brian Bliss, Dean Ellenwood, Cliff Adelman, Paolo Dionisio,

Ted Ferrell and others? Come guys, let's hear your opinion about this. Also, what about taking Way Productions music and setting it to DVD format, Like Ted's The White House Across The Street? Why should VH1, MTV, CMT, and now

Integrity/Hosanna Music be the only ones doing this?

Recently, I have been listening to Cd´s and records from Way Productions and comparing them

to CCM CD´s and DVD´s from Integrity´s Worship

Together Series, whose artists include Hillsongs, Graham Kendrick, Chris Tomlin, Delirious, Newsboys, Twilla Parris, Don Moen, Ron Kenoly, Matt Redman, John Tesh, Rebecca St. James, etc. How do you all feel about them? Are they the same quality as Pressed Down, Good Seed, Joyful Noise, etc? Comments are welcomed as this would have been the time in the 70´s we would be attending ROA(another thread along with

Friend Tracker on Pressed Down, Shaken Together,

and Running Over). Just curious.

Welcome to the Rock of Ages 2005, It's good to be home again, right? heh! If only it had been music and seeing friends. BTW(pun meant), Both Cortright and CFF have ROA's in Michigan and Indiana. Also, I enjoyed Pressed Down's music and hope either Ralph or Joe have CD's for sale.

Any Branded, Glad Tidings, Hope,Joyful Noise, or Agape CD's for sale? Contact me at bumgarnerthomas@yahoo.com New Email address.