Thomas Loy Bumgarner

Oldies, those statements are from Bullinger, Kenyon, Torrey, Hagin, Copeland, Derek Prince, Nicky Gumbel,

Neil Anderson, Wigglesworth, Sumrall, Howard Carter just to name a few who also make mention of these scriptural coments. Nothing wrong with them, but its actions that speak louder than mere words.If PFAL gives you comfort, then God Bless you. Most of us have moved beyond baby/junk food and are looking for better spiritual nourishment. I challenge you to get beyond Wierwille's writtings and check out other points of view.

It doesn't mean you will blindly accept everything. Don't simply go for the "milk of the Word", but the meat/

fiber to spiritual maturity. If we here at Greasespot are wrong doctinally, then God will reprimand us, not human beings.

What about TWI, 5th republic-oops, that's Charles deGaulle and France. Sorry! I meant post-Rosie,

maybe Sara Kathryn Wierwille Gigou as the new President, or Steve Spencer aka Mr. Hamoroni(since we elected him in the silly forum to the position) with me as the minister of wine, beer, schnapps, and the infamous Drambuie. We now return you to our regular scheduled program.

It's got to be Spam Song(But I don't like Spam)! And now for something entirely different, Back to The Way forum.

Bingo, Oldies! you finally stumbled on to the truth, with maybe the exception of Walter Cummins, this was most certainly true, and maybe a few others, but most were arrogant sob's.

This in reference to an earlier post, not the more recent ones .

Greg Anderson has converted the 3 GS albums to CD format. His address is found on Cortright site.

Belle, I have read his book on the gnostic gospels and epistles which includes Gospel of Thomas, gospel

of Mary Magdelene, Epistle of Barnabus, etc. Interesting reading for non-canonical scripture.

I forgot that we voted Mr. Hamoroni as the new prez. Sorry about that Steve. Would you believe that I missed it by that much. God, I've got to stop watching so much TV and get a real, true life.

Dear Mike, Allan, and Phil aka Oldiesman, what about the trilogy on Jesus Christ:JCNG, JCOP,and JCOPS? are they part of PFAL canon/writings? How do you reconcile PFAL in which Dr. Wierwille makes the following statement that Bar Mitsphah(?) is normally held at age 13, but bastardized boys are at 12? Considering that ceremony didn't start until about 1000 or later AD/CE and was a Jewish equivalent to Christian catechesism/confirmation. In Jesus Christ Our Promised Seed, there is no mention of that, but rather it is Passover and there is no questioning by the rabis or priests about the faith or having them read from the torah during worship either at the temple or any synagogue? Why the obvious contradiction unless Wierwille made a mistake in PFAL(both the video class and the orange book)? Unless Doc W. was quoting either the Mishnah, Talmud, or other non-biblical Jewish resource? Just wondering, that's all.

And with that remark, Mr. Bumgarner, you have just derailed this thread. No one wants to hear your dribble.

Besides, Mike, Allan, and Phil the oldiesman voted for you. "Say it, Anne". You are the weakest link. Goodbye and good ridance to this topic. Should have quit while I was ahead.

This could be true for any backwards, out in the boonies church in the Southeast, particularly in the Appalachian Mountains where they serve moonshine for Communion.

Having met John Lynn at Mrs. Wierwille's funeral, he seems to have mellowed and was nice to me . I

occasionally email him at CES/S&TIF.

As for the chicken or the egg coming first, doesn't a rooster need to be there along with a hen to make an egg? Also, didn't Joyful Noise answer

this question @ PFAL'77?

That should be Anne Robinson. See thread in just silly forum.

it is Anne Robinson. Come to think of it, she would have fit in with VPW, CG, and LCM except she would have voted for all of them off.couldn't be any worse? hehehe!

1. Time=5:10 pm, Sun.11th

2.name=Thomas Loy Bumgarner

3.nickname=Doctor Who?

4.piercings/tattos=none unless you include Herve Villchavez

5.movie=Chronicles of Narnia

6.eye color=blue, now hazy gray

7.birthplace=General Cushing Hospital in leavenworth,KS on 12/16/1954 at 7:20am

8.favorite foods-Steak, pizza, fried chicken

9.toilet papering=no

10.love someone that made you cry-yes(Pat Fetner and recently Barbara Mattingly)

11. car accident=yes

12.favorite day=Tuesday

13.favorite resturant=Steakhouses with buffet

14.flower=daisy

15.sport=cheer leaders

16.drink=non-alcoholic-Sunkist, otherwise Morgen David Passover wine

17.Ice Cream=vanilla from Dairy Queen

18.Warner Bothers=Wacko, Yakko, and their sister Dot

19.bedroom carpet=brown like $*&@

20. Drivers test=never flunked

21.season=summer

22.store to max out my credit card=Augsburg/Fortress Press, follwed by Christian Book Distributors

23.When bored, sleep

24.bedtime=generally 11pm

25. Favorite TV show=reruns on TVLand, particularly Nightcourt

26. Car=Dodge Dynasty

27. Enjoy listening to Casting Crowns, followed by Johann Sebatian Bach

28.pets=presently none, but as child had cats

A possible replacement could be Ann from The Weakest Link game show, with her firery red hair and snappy remarks. Who here thinks it takes a whole village to raise an idiot? And in that round Wayfers you only banked $0 for your team. So my Einsteins and rocket scientists. Rosie the riverter, get ready to walk down the hall of shame. You are the weakest link in this Way Tree chain. GOODBYE!

Come to think about it , Ann from The Weakest Link would be an excellent replacment for Rosie the riverter,

Since Ann seems to be in the Wierwilliean/Geer/Martinf**k mode. Harve, you are the weakest link. Goodbye!

The info I got this past summer from the locals(won't mention names) was Ernst was an alcoholic(like Otto and VP), 6th grade education, physically battered and abused wife Emma Rein(in NC it is spelled Rhyne), and

children Otto, Harry, Lydia, Sevillia, Victor, and Ruben. He supposedly had drinking buddies on Shelby County Sherrif's department who bullied the school principal(not supertendent as VP claimed)/algebra teacher and had him either resign or be fired by the school board. Wel, poor Victor couldn't go beyond what he was taught. Of course this is 2nd and 3rd hand information/rumor.

Also Kathryn Lee/Leigh Charboneau(Asheville,NC).

Because Ann what'hername from Great Britain was too busy with The Weakest Link, and that describes LCM to a T.

Billy Clyde, John's organization was called Total Fitness Institute, which preceeded Lead , and both were extreme versions of Outward Bound(non religious experience). it was Agape that wrote Fireside Song.

PS, Also at ASU I met Wayne Duckworth, Ginny Kirk, Celia Arrington, and re-met Cathy Sue Lucianna(previously from two years earlier when Freedom High School band came to football game).

I was the son of a Lutheran pastor(now deceased) who did not hear of The Way until fall of 1972/spring '73 at

Lenor High School when either Ron Schupping or Mike Tomberlin came witnessing during lunchtime. After 3rd day, the principal asked them not to come back or they would be arrested for tresspassing on school property. During this time, Contemporary Jesus music was for me Jesus Christ Superstar, Godspell, Leonard

Bernstein's Mass, We are one in the Spirit, You light up my life(Debby Boone), and Put your Hand in the Hand of the man who stilled the water. Only later in 1974 do I see the article in Life magazine about the Groovy Christians of Rye,NY. In the fall oor '73, as a freshman at East Carolina 2 days after arriving, that Saturday morning I go to the Student Union Center to see the cartoon version of Star Trek and meet Ginger

Douglass, an artist and senior wearing low-cut mini-skirt/dress and flip-flops. We talk and she invites me back to The Way Home(wish I had taken her up on it, proably wanted to **** me) but decide to be a gentleman, though she invites me to Twig coffeehouse. I think it to be a nightclub for dancing and drinking. Boy, am I wrong and am jealous that other guys are hugging and kissing her(thought she was a prostitute with many clients), but find out it is a Bible study group. Almost freak ot when Doug Emmerson(or was it Randy Anderson) starts calling by name people to speak in tongues, and being afraid think he will call out my name. They show ROA film and 1st session of PFAL. I flunk out in Feb.'74, that fall I transfer to Appalachian State where I meet Steve and Ann Bolick, Steve McGee and get involved in twig. Sept. 1974, I meet Ellie Ray and Vicki Allen, Mickey Mahaffey, and Ralph Dubofsky. In Summer of 1975, I take PFAL foundational(intermediate is taken in '77). Year later go summer NCWOW and mett and fall in love with Pat Fetner, but never really got to date her.Still love Joyful Noise, Pressed Down, Good Seed, and the original

Selah. That summer , we hear rumors that Craig will be next President and that Walter chose not to be Vice-president, future President-elect because Wierwille thinks he not tough and bitchy enough. In 1979, go to

Hickory "Way Home"(not official). I serve on Bless Patrol at ROA'79, a month later have collapsed left lung

(pneumathorax) and in hospital for 5 days, December I write letter in response to editorial in Charlotte Observer on TWI, defending them, Limb leader asks that I shut up since God needs no defenders and early

Christian apologists thought they had to save and redeem Jesus on trial. I leave and do not attempt to reconnect until 2 years ago through GSC.

This coming Sunday in its final session we will be looking at healing, both from biblical and historical resources. BTW, you will notice that I gave Stiles' and Leonard's full names in the immediate above posting

for your information. Obiously my last post on this subject and thread/forum topic.

Toad, I got Ellie Ray's address for Creedmoor, and Bill and Ginny live in East Bend in central NC. Thanks!