JayDee

Trying once to more to return this TLC-derailed thread back to the purpose of examining and exposing the latest pseudo-intellectual "biblical research" and false teaching which takes place daily at STFI & TLTF. Please retread the first three posts on this thread and offer your comments and counterpoints.

I'm sorry for TLC's persistent attempts at hijacking and redirecting the purpose and point of this subforum and thread. I can't do anything about his lack of logic and maturity. Apparently neither can he. Thanks for your interest in what STFI/TLTF are up to these days. Cult awareness and exposure is necessary. Your opinions regarding TLTF & STFI, and other malignant offshoots of TWIt are welcome......pro or con.

"All the soap opera stuff and the sex scandals were totally irrelevant to God".

Seriously???

That's exactly what I was looking for DWBH! Much appreciated!

Sorry about the double post. Still trying to sort things out here.

In spite of needless detours, the purpose of this subforum as well as this thread in particular, is to provide current info on one of the most destructive cults of the scores which sprang from the bowels of dictor paul wierwille's malignant paranoid narcissism, and their latent love and "need" to keep Da Woid of Gawd and its inherent and inerrant accuracy alive in this our day, and time, and minute, and second, and every possible free use of social media possible. Guys like jally, wrenn, burton, macmullan, "Dr." Dale sides, "Rabbi" Michael Rood, "Rev" beence finnegan who stole not only all the property, money, and people from the way worldwide, but also sought legitimacy through Atlanta Bible College and that Anthony Buzzard fellow. He runs a fairly large "group of churches" in his Living Hope Ministries International. Nice try vinny, but all you've accomplished is elaborate new makeup on the same old pig.

This is the USA. We all have the freedom to believe whatever we want. However, if and when antisocial, racist, and xenophobic hatred behaviors are part of whatever you believe, and those behaviors reach beyond the doors of your own church and its membership, and harm or restrict or discriminate fellow-citizens, they will bear the burden of their behaviors, NOT their beliefs. Their behaviors and actions against others are subject to the same civil laws underpinning our society. That is why I post here. Information and fact about any of these offshoot cults of the way is what is necessary to protect our communities from their phoney love-bombing and spiritual ramma lamm. These are destructive mind-control cults. They are predators, sociopathic, psychoemotional terrorists. Exposure is their greatest fear.

So, getting back to to original purpose and this subforum and this thread, I ask you to read the first three posts and offer your opinions and/or counterpoint to the CONTENT, which btw, is largely quoted directly from the latest TLTF newsletter, and NOT what you may THINK or interpret is the "agenda" behind my posts here at the GSC, and especially this subforum. Thank you for your interest.

Where and how would these guys begin to express their repentance for the wrongs that they've done? Assuming they wanted to? Would they do it here, open letter to their followers, how could it be accomplished? So many people were hurt. Is asking God and Jesus Christ for forgiveness enough? Thanks DWBH.

In spite of needless detours, the purpose of this subforum as well as this thread in particular, is to provide current info on one of the most destructive cults of the scores which sprang from the bowels of dictor paul wierwille's malignant paranoid narcissism, and their latent love and "need" to keep Da Woid of Gawd and its inherent and inerrant accuracy alive in this our day, and time, and minute, and second, and every possible free use of social media possible. Guys like jally, wrenn, burton, macmullan, "Dr." Dale sides, "Rabbi" Michael Rood, "Rev" beence finnegan who stole not only all the property, money, and people from the way worldwide, but also sought legitimacy through Atlanta Bible College and that Anthony Buzzard fellow. He runs a fairly large "group of churches" in his Living Hope Ministries International. Nice try vinny, but all you've accomplished is elaborate new makeup on the same old pig.

This is the USA. We all have the freedom to believe whatever we want. However, if and when antisocial, racist, and xenophobic hatred behaviors are part of whatever you believe, and those behaviors reach beyond the doors of your own church and its membership, and harm or restrict or discriminate fellow-citizens, they will bear the burden of their behaviors, NOT their beliefs. Their behaviors and actions against others are subject to the same civil laws underpinning our society. That is why I post here. Information and fact about any of these offshoot cults of the way is what is necessary to protect our communities from their phoney love-bombing and spiritual ramma lamm. These are destructive mind-control cults. They are predators, sociopathic, psychoemotional terrorists. Exposure is their greatest fear.

So, getting back to to original purpose and this subforum and this thread, I ask you to read the first three posts and offer your opinions and/or counterpoint to the CONTENT, which btw, is largely quoted directly from the latest TLTF newsletter, and NOT what you may THINK or interpret is the "agenda" behind my posts here at the GSC, and especially this subforum. Thank you for your interest.

Where and how would these guys begin to express their repentance for the wrongs that they've done? Assuming they wanted to? Would they do it here, open letter to their followers, how could it be accomplished? So many people were hurt. Is asking God and Jesus Christ for forgiveness enough? Thanks DWBH.

DWBH you do a great job of exposing this insipid bunch of self-serving sociopaths past and present. Your language doesn't tweak me because to me language is barely able to capture the evil these megalomaniacs caused in people's lives or the difficulty there is in escaping these systems. Although I do see how it would tweak various Wierwille apologists in whatever stage of apology they may be in.

I say turn it up not down.

Agreed chockfull.

Fine with me too. Personally have no more to say re CFFM.

Hi JayDee! Welcome to the spot!

Thanks for the update on Quillen. No one stuck on vic's stoopeed can ever get along with others who don't believe what these idiots tell them to. Just like their faddah-in-da-woid, no one is right about anything other than what dictor says is right. Especially when it comes to the "inherent and inerrant accuracy" of dictor's woid. Look at STFI, TLTF, Finnegan's LHCI, Dale Sides' Liberty something or other, "rev" gerry wrenn's minus-tray, which BTW, is absolutely the most scmaltzy, super-syrupy, worship Wierwille site of them all, SOWERS.....they don't get along with each other or anybody else. They love waybrain and thinking they are something spayshull because they were ordained by dictor himself. They actually believe they are a "gift" to their churches as in "gift ministries". They are the same arrogant, racist, misogynistic, neo-Nazi fascist, Aryan supremacist, John Birch Society sycophants their idol dictor was. They know how filthy dictor's minustry and his moggie needs were. They know why the suicides happened. They know where the bodies are buried.

CFFM is now run by Kevin and Sarah Guigou. I have spent several hours on the phone with Sarah particularly. I've know Kevin and Sarah since they were teenagers. They are two of the genuinely most authentic, honest, and good human beings I know. No, we do not all believe the samething, nor am I at all surprised that under their leadership, CFFM continues to break the bonds of TWIt theology and practice. I have love and respect for them, and The Martins and The Somervilles. I know that all of those folks do their best to be faithful followers of the Lord Jesus Christ as vibrant Christians. Honestly, I really don't care what they believe because the fruit of the spirit as listed in Gal5:22 is evident in their lives and their families.

I have never said anything to hurt or upset them purposely. I've posted facts, and sometimes quite graphically. However the graphic nature of vic's sins against the Church and God, along with those of the rest of his board of terrorists, IMO, requires a graphic "slap in the face" through words in order to get their attention and, like Cher in Moonstruck, yell at them to "Snap out of it!"........LOL. Doesn't always work but it does work more often than not.

When Wayne Clapp was heading up CFFM, they used to have a Fellow Laborers program in Troy. Those FLs were encouraged to enter the SOWERS program, and a good number did. JayDee, does CFFM still have fellow laborers? Do they still encourage their youth to enroll at SOWERS? Did double-secret-super-agent and ninja warrior "rev" dougie macmullan have the same revelation his turd corpse bruddah Quillen had?

No more direct affiliation with CFFM? JP and V2P2 are bloodline. It is TWIt redux and on steroids. I look forward to your answers if you know. Thanks.........and...........peace.

DWBH thanks for the welcome! Kevin is the secretary at CFFM. Tonia Shroyer who is the daughter in law of deceased John Shroyer is Pres. Tom Dill is vice. I have the utmost respect for all 3 in their endeavor to keep Jesus Christ where he belongs as head of his body. Kevin and Sarah have a special place in my heart too for years now. As do Tonia and Jeff and Tom and Sue Dill. They've helped and continue to help victims of twit to this day.

There is no fellow labor program anymore. Sowers does what they do, which is to hold fast to vp's stuff. Doug MacMlullan is still with sowers. Truth be known he's running the show. He has no affiliation with CFFM.

Gerald Wrenn and JAL both tried to worm their way in in recent months. I spoke up and they went away. Not need to go in to details but suffice to say, they won't be back.

Hope this helps and that it was posted correctly.

Thanks! Glad to be here!

I'm new to posting here. Hope I'm in the right place. For whatever it's worth Quillen is no longer affiliated with CFFM. Doing his own thing. Don't know the name of his "ministry". He continues to hold on to what he was taught by twit. He opposes Jesus Christ in the same manner as his "fitw". Paulian, not Christian. Quillen is the boss, not Jesus Christ. His contribution to making people's lives miserable continues to mount. When people disagree, he screams. Who'd he learn that from? It's all about control and money.

Again for whatever it's worth, CFFM has been distancing itself for several years now from twit doctrine. Jesus Christ is in his rightful place. It's been a struggle, but the corner has been turned. That why Quillen left. People of his ilk won't deal with Jesus Christ as head of his church. It's sad that people continue to believe that pfal is the be all end all. Christianity should be about NOTHING but a relationship with Jesus Christ and what HE says regarding a life of loving, giving, and ministering "good news".

With regard to Sowers being CFFM's corpse program that's not the case at all. There's no leadership training program affiliated with CFFM. Especially sowers. EVERYTHING that comes out of sowers is vp/pfal series. They're all about perpetuating vp's "legacy".

Thanks for listening. 😊

Aw hiway29......I did not mean to insult you not imply that you in any way "supported" your old friend's insanity. It was obvious from your post that you were kind of "ooged out" by his call. I absolutely think your calling him was a loving , compassionate, and right thing to do. No problem t all understanding that. I apologize if I came across in any way as casting aspersions at you. I know you did the right thing and I appreciate your sharing it with us.

Charlie Quillen coordinates CFFM in IL where he lives. He's been doing so for quite a while now. He was in charge of security for TWIt and dictor for years. He's as dirty as his turd corpse bruddah, super-secret special ninja-agent dougie MacMullan, who's farm in MS houses V2P2, and SOWERS, the CFFM version of da corpse. They share many, many dirty secrets about dictor and his fellow twustees. I respect neither of them and never will until they apologize to the people who were raped and sexually assaulted serially by the men these two turd corpse bruddahs swore allegiance to, and who consistently aided and abetted those criminals in procuring their long list of victims. MacMullan and Quillen know where the bodies are buried. They know their guilt and shame but refuse to do the right thing according to their prayshuss woid. Proves to me the still believe the word'o'vic is the will of God. Quillen as Fronzack's boss while Markie-boy was one of the uniformed, gun-carrying, "bless patrol" guys at HQ. Getting back in touch with him is just a part of his distancing cover-up away from his abject guilt and complicity in EVERYTHING Barnard did, just like Quillen and MacMullan were with dictor and his twustees. Birds of a feather flock together. They should ALL be in jail.