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On 5/7/2017 at 12:50 AM, Rocky said:
What this letter (below) proposes is indeed laborious and futile.
Yes, and they did actually realize that. No revival, no restoration. I wonder if they are going to change the group name...
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On 12/27/2017 at 12:13 PM, WordWolf said:
So long as there's sufficient freewill donations to cover them into the grave
I'm not defending them, or saying they are wonderful, but still to this day they have not asked for money. In fact, they recently reiterated that we should be giving to local people in need - that's local to us as individuals - and not to the R&R group.
Apparently, they all have regular jobs now.
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8 hours ago, WordWolf said:
The historic churches rely largely on their history, thinking that something is lost skipping that and ONLY using the Bible.
This was the thinking of the Pharisees, and Jesus Christ confronted them. They added so many rules to the Mosaic laws, rules they wanted others to adhere to, but not themselves.
8 hours ago, WordWolf said:I know it's easy- and twi made it policy- to bash other Christians
I'm not bashing other Christians, I'm criticizing the Roman Church leaders. I've met many wonderful Catholics, including priests, that have shown they have very loving hearts for people.
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20 hours ago, WordWolf said:
I think that they should expand the deaconate and promote that for those who feel they could not meet all the requirements of the priesthood but feel a calling.
The requirements for priesthood is in 1 Timothy 3. But I guess they haven't read that.
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3 hours ago, T-Bone said:
All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
Interestingly, the Prophets isn't the Mosaic laws - they cover the laws of life, which don't begin and end with the old testament. Proverbs, also, covers the laws of life, and there quite a few verses in their regarding love.
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30 minutes ago, T-Bone said:
That stuff in Corinthians is still relevant today!
My apologies - I was writing sexual promiscuity but thinking sexual deviance, specifically sexual encounters with their dads' wives.
But, considering further on this point, I guess there is all sorts of it going on in various parts of the world. I just have no idea if it's happening within Christian groups. I certainly hope it wouldn't.
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15 minutes ago, TrustAndObey said:
I mean, when it comes down to it, not a single verse of the Bible was written "TO US". Paul's epistles were written for specific congregations with specific problems. The general epistles and gospels were still written to certain groups that are long since dead. But I believe that ALL the scriptures are written "FOR US". For our benefit, for instructing us, for leading us to the one that should be leading us (which is not VPW or any other human on this earth).
I was recently having a discussion about this very thing with my fellowship "coordinator" (I use this term loosely because we aren't structured at all like TWI fellowships - I just don't know a better way to refer to him). The head of the church is Christ, not a living person on earth. And while Paul gives us much to learn from, he isn't the head, he is part of the body, albeit a very knowledgeable part.
I believe you are correct in that Paul's epistles were specifically written for certain groups. We can see that probably most clearly in Corinthians when he's confronting them on sexual promiscuity. We, today - presumably - aren't doing those things, but we can still learn from that confrontation. So it's definitely FOR our learning.
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7 hours ago, WordWolf said:
So, where an athlete might have knee-jerk reactions to homosexuals and call them names and criticize them to other athletes, he would do exactly the same
7 hours ago, WordWolf said:there's other possible reasons they may freak out as well
When I was in 7th grade, I beat up a classmate that was blatantly gay. My reasoning: it repulsed me. But I was 12 years old. I gradually toned it down to just ridiculing them, but as I grew up so did my understanding of people, and my end to being a bully. Before even graduating high school I never even hinted my dislike of their tendencies; I understood we all had flaws.
Like Rocky said, we are all human.
I guess some people just never grow up in certain areas.
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6 hours ago, WordWolf said:
not SUBJECT to decay
This one it good.
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14 minutes ago, Rejoice said:
An example of What Not to Create????
Exactly!
On 6/5/2018 at 6:12 PM, JavaJane said:Schwaiger invites the viewer to consider absurdity and pointlessness — to consider elements that add up to nothing, or to less than the sum of their parts.
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2 minutes ago, WordWolf said:
And this is not hard to find if one is looking. And even after I posted all the verses that said that, vpw fans still posted right after that saying the "thing" thing.
I believe the most important verse for TWI was in the law, Leviticus I think, where it talks about causing a pregnant woman to lose her unborn child. In the law, murder was punishable by death, but this was only punishable by a fine. But what they seemed to have missed was, this loss of child was an accident, not on purpose. So it was an accidental death, not murder.
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Incorruptible: I like Thayer's definition - "not liable to decay, imperishable" Strong and Bullinger are in agreement, for the most part.
Anyone else agree?
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3 hours ago, modwildcat said:
And, have come to question "once saved always saved."
Would you like a copy of Dan's 114 page paper on that? And maybe JLynne's 13 page rebuttal of Dan?
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I remember the first time I watched this video in my fellowship, the branch coordinator thought it was so magnificent. The version I watched had Don Weirwille narrating at the front or back - can't remember which - describing God and His magnificence. That narration was fantastic! The rest of the video seemed like just so much nonsense to me, I really didn't understand why it was receiving so much admiration.
I just chalked it up to my being so new, but now I know my perspective was correct.-
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17 minutes ago, WordWolf said:
Then again, I didn't render "oikonomia" as "dispensation" NOR "administration." I render it "stewardship", and consider who's in charge of stewarding God's Word at that time, and in what form it's stewarded. All of that makes it look more like "Covenant Theology" than anyone's form of "administrations."
This is very interesting. I just looked at Strong and Thayer after finding this word used 4 times in the epistles. All 4 times it is translated dispensation. But both Strong and Thayer hold a type of managerial bent on their definitions, definitely along the lines of what you say here. And, that word is also translated stewardship 3 times in Luke, and steward 3 times in Luke and Titus. So administration, rather than being a period of time, is more of a handling and overseeing.
In fact, Eph 3:2 makes it pretty clear that it is an oversight, a handling.
Good call, WordWolf!
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27 minutes ago, TLC said:
Yeah, and good luck with that trying to stay away from dispensationalism.
It's probably unavoidable, but then, I'm not trying to avoid it. It just seemed like a viable concept.
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1 minute ago, Twinky said:
Either. Both. But not 114 pages!
No, John's rebuttal is MUCH shorter, 13 pages. I haven't read it yet, but you are welcome to.
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On 5/19/2017 at 3:17 AM, Grace Valerie Claire said:
Who are they?? I don't think I know them at all.
Rico and many others were kept hidden while Craig was in power. Shortly after he stepped down, Rico did a Sunday teaching. My gut reaction was, 'where was this guy all this time?!?!' because he was a better teacher than Craig. Then many others started teaching, so many that I was flabbergasted by how many were kept in a closet by the egotist.
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Well, it looks like yet another offshoot will be coming soon. I just got wind of it today, no details yet.
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3 minutes ago, Twinky said:
Maybe you could copy it and post it as a document, or at least an attachment, here?
The entire discussion thread? Or his rebuttal to Dan?
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6 hours ago, Infoabsorption said:
"we are in the dispensation(age) of grace"
Yes, they called it the grace administration, and it's the 5th one.
I could see definite changes along the way in the bible, like when the law started, and then was ended by Jesus' death and resurrection. But I didn't follow the 7 administrations. Jesus was living under the law, so how did that become another administration? So many things TWI taught didn't actually make sense.
This is the first time I'm hearing this concept referred to as "dispensationalism" but, apparently, I did learn the concept.
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3 hours ago, DontWorryBeHappy said:
Dr. E.E. Higgins in Chicago, took his piffle class and told him, “you teach like Bullinger writes” and sent him all of Bullinger’s works so ole dic could “read them for the first time”, which he said validated and verified ALL the research he had done and put into Piffle! LOL! Surprised??
Not at all.
3 hours ago, DontWorryBeHappy said:This puts the emphasis on an Apostle instead of his absent Lord, which then makes the Apostle more important than his own Lord! It also limits the King of Kings and Lord of Lords to OUR believing instead of the very active presence He is to millions of Christians who never heard of dispensationalism and could not care less about it. That’s why dictor spread the word that he was the greatest teacher since who? Jesus? Nope! Saul of Tarsus!
Until yesterday, I hadn't even heard of dispensationalism. And I most certainly never considered the impact of focusing on the epistles over all else. And I had already learned that ALL scripture is for our learning, yet I had missed this important point.
Yes, it's definitely the ever present Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, that makes the difference in our lives, not a dead man named Paul. Great as he was, he certainly wasn't the Christ.
My understanding of what VPW proclaimed about being the greatest teacher since Paul was that he couldn't compare himself to Jesus. Silly me, I inferred that - he certainly never said it that I know of. And I did watch a couple of JAL's videos. I couldn't watch more because it felt like I was in a TWI class.
You have been incredibly instrumental in my eyes opening wider regarding not only the impact TWI has had on my view of the bible, but also the flaws in that view. Keep it coming, brother!
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8 minutes ago, JayDee said:
You’ll find that when DWBH tells you/us about these individuals, that he’s telling it like it is. No BS. He has no axe to grind. Just protecting people from the madness that is twi.
Oh, I already know that. I've read several of his first-hand accounts. At first I was dumbfounded, then furious, and then I felt really heartbroken for all those that lived through that insanity.
All I ever did was go to a local fellowship and the classes, and I did the way disciple program once. So locally I really didn't see much of the manipulation, although I did become aware of an uneasiness in my gut that I couldn't figure out. That was three years ago, and at that point I stopped inviting people to my fellowship, and gradually reduced my participation in the branch and fellowship activities. Now I have nothing to do with TWI.
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29 minutes ago, DontWorryBeHappy said:
However, i am completely confused as to why you seem to support the incredibly self-serving PI Of Gallagher and your RnR heroes. Why?
I think you may have missed my comment regarding my disappointment with R&R, and it was based primarily on what you have shared, along with two others. I don't support them, I'm waiting to see them slip in their own muck.
As for Dan, as I had stated prior, I was already looking into this very topic on my own. I don't actually support him, and was pretty surprised that he's already asking for money to help support his web site - they cost $10/month for a good hosting package, and Wordpress is free! Shouldn't be much of a strain on his pocket if he really wants to get a message out.
But I am still reading his long-winded paper. So far, he has been very analytical, comparing the two views on salvation. The one thing I can say about that paper at this point is this: it doesn't seem to be plagiarized!
Wierwille: The Indoctrinator
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So far, all the teachings I've listed to have actually been teachings geared toward living free, living God's love, living God's power, what being like minded actually means...
There are 2 topics scheduled for this evening: "love as our motivation" and "genuine giving". If these are any different I'll let you know.
That does cause me to wonder about them. I've found quite a few contradictions in what VPW propounded, and I was never close to him, never on staff, never in the way corps. I just read the books. And no one I asked - not that there were that many - could clearly explain these things to me. And, I'm sorry to say, there are a couple names on that letter of people I had asked.