Nathan_Jr

Thank you, Rocky. So, it's a manufactured device designed to cover the floors with eggshells. A completely contrived wicked doctrine designed to cast a pall of fear and keep everyone in line, committed, obsequious. It's an invented, sinister tool for abuse. This is both disappointing and expected news. Sorry to beat a dead horse, but its rotting carcass has contaminated a well from which people still drink.

I know all of this is true. I know the abuse is real. I know what is available: devil seed rebirth. wedges. permanence but I don't know how to get it or what to do with it once you've got it. please.

I've downloaded hundreds of pages of transcripts of Corps teachings and Advanced Classes '71/'79 from Archive.org. Also downloaded dozens of hours of CFS video. But the unforgivable sin teaching is conspicuously missing. There are files with the title, but all content has been redacted. I'm fascinated. I'll just beleeeve for someone to come through with more details.

And, of course, it did. Proverbs 6:12-18 sound like descriptions of VPW and LCM.

Who created the wedge? What are the chapters and verses supporting this? Any real life examples of people with devil wedges? This is fascinating and hilarious. I've always heard this and been personally gaslighted with it, but no one (with distinction) has ever explained how or provided scriptural evidence.

Thanks Waysider. I've read/heard that before, but it seems completely incomplete. How do you get born again of devil seed? How H-O-W? Can you get this devil seed even if you are born again of Holy Spirit? What are the scripture proof texts? Serious questions, even though I can barely see to type through these tears of laughter.

THIS. The eggshells. This is exactly what NPDs make you do - walk on eggshells all the time. All nine eggshells all the time. When I defended with no condemnation, completely complete, super-conqueror, I was met with rage and fury. Hypocrisy and contempt. Hell hath no fury like a dogmatic doctrine full of holes.

Really? All devil spirit access all the time? Maybe Mike can define it according to usage. Mike, what is the unforgivable sin according to victor?

"The stronger believer has a more renewed mind." Here the renewed mind is a conditioned mind shackled (strengthened) by belief. Not a free mind, but a programmed mind. The lie requires belief to wield any power or influence; but Truth requires no belief.. How did he define the unforgivable sin? What is the DTA class?

Concise and well said TBone. It's a fair reinterpretation. It's so subtle, but this is how the thief operates. In a diligent effort to make me obedient and renew my mind for me, I was taught, admonished with the same logic: imitate vic because Vic>Paul>Christ>God or Victor reveals Paul; Paul reveals Christ; Christ reveals God; therefore, victor reveals God. As absurd as this sounds, I still have the messages as proof. This sinister deception is real.

He can't teach Christian character because it's a hand too righteous to fit in his little withered glove. So much is revealed on every single page of this 200 page transcript. Victor HATES questions because he's afraid of being exposed. Those who are apt to teach are not afraid of questions. He reacts by deflecting and inventing and by offering word salad. So much bull$hit. It may be challenging for some to hear the obvious deception when listening to tapes, but to read it written on the page, it's glaringly obvious. His narcissism compelled him to record and transcribe everything. But by doing this, he got too far out over his skis, as someone so insightfully once said on this forum. Thank God for GSC.

In the Corps teaching on Romas in 1973 Loy Craig asks vic about this. I'm not sure if Craig is trying to justify victor or himself, but the exchange is revealing, in spite of victor's cryptic answer. And you can see vic getting annoyed with Craig for pressing him.

But the Constitution is a self-interpreting document from which we get righteous instruction for making three-fingered gloves for those completely incomplete people. Gloves for all without exception. It's so simple, if you just work it. Three-fingered hands fit perfectly in three-fingered gloves. Bless your little hearts. I wish you could read it in the original.

A Man's Search For Meaning has been on my list for a long time. No excuses. I wonder if PFALT is as hateful of Jews as PFAL. The irony of victor demeaning Jesus as a bastard Jew while revering the apostle Saul who claimed to be the Jew of Jews... oh, the pathological contradictions! The hate. The division. Gross.

It must be true. Why? Because he said so. Who said? The doctor, the reverend, the authority said. Why is he an authority? Because he himself said so about himself. Well, then. It must be true if he says it's true. After all, he's the authority according to himself. Victor said it, I believe it, that settles it. This is stupidity. Authority is not a good enough reason to BELEEEVE. Questioning authority is not anarchy.

Late Lament. Must be a coded psalm of wonderful truths, because ALLITERATION!! Man, when you know that you know about alliteration and preposition, the whole thing just fits in a bloody glove.

Right. Child-F-ing. Only religion can interpret away such a bloody glove.

Probably. Predetermined by a set of possibilities or causes? Authority is the 2nd weakest reason to believe anything, according to Peirce

Not at all. Insanity can be determined by chemical imbalance. This is sad. But insanity by free will believing in self-proclaimed authority is stupid.

One doesn't need to explicitly state a meaning that interprets itself in the original.

Right. But only religion and ideology can justify it. Religion causes otherwise sane and moral people to do stupid and wicked things.

A cycle of mind-F's? It's belief in ideology, in religion, that allows man to justify wicked deeds like slavery, rape and child sacrifice. This is why I don't believe in belief. Either I know or don't know. One must be "taught" how (H-O-W) to rationalize this kind of sickness. Abraham almost muerdering Isaac is a twisted horror story.

Then there's the twisted game Yahweh played with Abraham and Isaac. This wicked game of parents murdering/sacrificing their own children is a self-interpreting, recurring theme. So wicked.

Right. Wickedness. I would NEVER sacrifice my son for anything or anyone. Not for any ideology. Not for man-made theology. Not for self-interpreting stories written by superstitious ancient middle easterners. Not on a boat. Not with a goat. Scapegoating - there's a self-interpreting orientalism for you. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scapegoat Vicarious redemption. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Substitutionary_atonement This man-made theological paradigm has ancient Jewish and pagan roots in gloved hands.

Since this entire forum arose out of religious and spiritual abuse, and we're in Doctrinal: Exploring the Bible, I'll try to illustrate within a biblical context. John 20 is about Jesus appearing to the disciples in the upper room after he was buried. This story is obviously told from John's perspective, and either he or the later scribal editors were trying to make a point about Thomas and how it's better to believe blindly. But that's not the lesson revealed to me. Only because Thomas doubted was he vouchsafed the truth of the resurrection by Jesus himself. Only Thomas, of all the apostles, touched the incorporeal body of Jesus. Only Thomas went beyond BELIEF to true knowledge. Only Thomas, the DOUBTER, was awarded this astonishing understanding. He didn't have to BELIEVE it, he KNEW it, he found out. This is what I teach my son. Doubt everything and everyone (especially those claiming to HAVE the Truth.) Endeavor to find out for yourself, and you will. Maybe the author of John or the later scribal editors didn't like Thomas for some reason, or they were jealous of him, or he was out of fellowship and undeserving of spit. I don't know. But the lesson I get from this story was surely not their intention. It interpreted itself this way in spite of the scribes' intentions.