Nathan_Jr

Wow. That's a real issue. Academics should be the priority. The very nature of school socializes children. Why do I need to even write those sentences?

Banning books because of hurt feelings? Where's the social and emotional learning in that? (Norm Macdonald had a brilliant bit on the solution to the hurt feelings caused by that book.)

Would a school district or state embracing SEL ban or teach Adventures of Huckleberry Finn?

So, no discussion? What a gyp. The materials from CASEL seem vague and innocuous, even common-sensical, but it seems critics see SEL as a way for schools to teach CRT and alphabet city. Not really sure there needs to be a program for this... not really sure what the program is. Teaching a child he is a born racist is as wickedly stupid and as spiritually irresponsible as teaching him he is a born sinner.

Go ahead. Get into the details. How are the kids getting brainwashed? (Asking for a dad whose son will be in public school in thirteen months.)

Not sure if it is discussed anywhere within these 44 exhausting pages, but it’s worth repeating. Victor’s “lost teaching” exhorts duped sycophants to master the written, scrubbed edition of PFAL and the collaterals - the foundational fundamentals. BUT the Advanced Class is conspicuously missing from the list of materials to be mastered. Could it be because the AC is a self indictment? VP teaches in the AC that cancer is devil spirit possession. Victor paul wierwille himself died of cancer, a devil spirit possession he did not know how (H-O-W) to cast out. He was unwilling to cast out any of his devil spirit possessions because he was unable - ability=willingness. If only he could have rightly beleeeved big enough…

I’ve been thinking about it for days. It seems to me only three types of people think/believe/act as if anything victor said or wrote matters: 1. The naive 2. The confused, delusional 3. The willfully ignorant

Yep and yep. Not even a chance it’s true. ABC…. Accuracy! Hey! I didn’t right the book.

If one expects victor paul wierwille, charlatan, to have a modicum of honesty the size of a glass eyeball glint, one might expect victor paul wierwille’s last teaching to be an exhortation to track down the guy who “taught” him the bastard Jew bar mitzvah story, since victor, in spite of his throughly renewed mind, just could not remember where he got it. Once Victor got it, he knew what to do with it. That’s riiiight! You’ve got to know what’s available and how (H-O-W) to get it. This is a class on how (H-O-W). Only then, Then, THEN will you know what (W-H-A-T) to do with it. Hey! I didn’t write the book.

Welcome, Rusty. Thank you for sharing your very familiar story — it is the legacy of victor paul wierwille, charlatan and destroyer. You are not alone. Apparently, there’s some fresh, full-strength coffee served in new, unused cups around here somewhere.

He wasn’t a real doctor and those weren’t real tools.

And, of course, four crucified, six denials, crowing cocks crowed differently in “Bible times,” boundaries of the mind, lesbian sex between Eve and a snake, Jesus was given a bastard bar mitzvah, and on and on and on…. Those and thousands of other claims and assertions are NOT backed up with Biblical textual evidence.

Mmmmph

Damn those facts to hell! Good for nothing time wasters facts are. If evidence and reason aren’t sandy enough, I’ve got to worry about those facts clogging up my beleeeving machine.

This is very close. I don't know exactly how I'd phrase it, but it follows this line of thought. And, for me, it applies to any scripture, not just Judeo-Christian scripture. I'm not trying to get into this argument. I just liked what you said there, Chock. I don't think I've seen that sentiment expressed before in the café.

No, they do not. Nor does victor's definition of NEIGHBOR agree with Christ, as I showed above. WordWolf succinctly explains Christ's definition of NEIGHBOR further up thread. Much of what victor taught was antiChrist. The evidence for this is not faulty, as Mike imaginatively claims. The evidence is right there in WHAT victor said, WHERE he said it, HOW (H-O-W) he said it, and TO WHOM he said it. Hey! I didn't write the book.

He didn't say exactly that, but that is exactly what he meant. If you want, I can send you the transcript. Here's the Q&A at the end of the Corps "teaching" between victor paul wierwille and Loy Craig Martindale: LCM: How much does you behavior that people do not see influence your example to them? VPW: It doesn't, unless you believe it will. LCM: You understand what I asked? VPW: I sure did and I gave you the proper answer. LCM: I asked, How much does you behavior that people do not see influence your example to them? VPW: Alright, Kurt? KURT: In verse 15 of chapter 14....

Mmmmph

Yes. I've heard the same argument. There is no term for anyone who doesn't believe in astrology, either. The atheists I have known and read are simply unconvinced of any reason to believe in an any god. The theist says there are gods. The atheist says the theist's evidence for Zeus or Yahweh or Isis is insufficient. The atheist doesn't have to prove the negative, the burden of proof is on the theist for his positive claim. Ultimately, it's up to each atheist what that term means for him. It's a loaded and misleading term. I don't find it very useful. victor paul wierwille, cult founder and charlatan, said the atheist beleeeves that no god exists, so even the atheist is a beleeever in something. That's inaccurate. (Add it to the pile.) The atheist doesn't beleeeve at all because he hasn't found sufficient reason or evidence to beleeeve. So it seems to me.

In that same "teaching" to his Corps in the glory days of 1973, victor paul wierwille "taught" what a neighbor is. Victor's definition goes against what Christ taught. Victor's teaching is antiChrist.

I agree with your treatment of boundaries, Twinky. Boundaries are so important for our wellbeing. For some of us, setting and enforcing boundaries can be a matter of life or death. But... victor paul wierwille, cult founder, in 1973, when "teaching" his Corps on Romans, said, if no one sees you disrespecting another's boundaries, it won't influence the example you set for others -- UNLESS you beleeeve it will. The lesson: are you BELEEVING to move someone's boundaries? Don't do it... dooooon't do it... don't BELEEEVE you are moving someone's boundaries and you won't be. Just be sure to only disrespect someone's boundaries in secret, and don't beleeeve it's happening. Simple. ABC. Math. Hey! I didn't teach Romans to the Corps in 1973. Got a problem? Take it up with management. ALSO, Deut 27:17 is absolutely NOT about a "landmark of the mind." It's about land/property boundaries. Hey! I didn't write the book, but if victor paul wierwille wants to change what the word says, it's no longer the word. Furthermore, Deuteronomy 27 lists several laws. Deuteronomy 28 lists God's promises for obeying those laws. HOWEVER, those laws and promises are not written TO us. (Whew! That was a close call.)

Perfect. Thanks, Twinky.

Thank you, Charlene. For everything. The docket report says the case was settled, but orders for dismissal were only sent to and named for Michael Anthony Farris-Manetta, who appears to be in default and only showing up for the case at the last minute to correct his legal name and address. It's not clear to me TWI settled, only that the case against Michael Anthony Farris-ManettaI was settled. It's probable I'm misreading the docket, though I did read it completely. Twice. I'm not an attorney nor a legal professional. Can anyone provide clarity on this?

As you know, it is also written in the PFAL book. The text has been cited here by a few posters, including Mike. Mike doesn't want you to forget what we were "taught" -- no translation or version of the Bible is the word, because of errors. The key to solving for these errors is comparing one erroneous translation with another erroneous translation, one erroneous version with another erroneous version. Compare the errors, chose one (an error) that fits, or else make up a new translation. BOOM! Accuracy. I wish you could read it in the original, which we don't have -- that's in the class, as well. Don't forget!

Mike doesn't want you to forget that Psalms wasn't written to you. He doesn't want you to forget that if it doesn't fit, you can just cross it out.