Charity

What ever happened with the RICO charges?

This is why I've come to believe that GSC is so important and pray that more who are still in the cult will be lead to it. Whoops I did it again (quoted OldSkool twice) . I'll go back right now and look for the posts sent to me previously on how to fix this problem. P.S. I love the happy face option above. (I took this one to mean silly me).

So this cult is considered a 501-c3 corporation. therefore it doesn't have to pay taxes on the money that fear-controlled members give to it (many I'm sure with a grudging heart) because it uses the words God, Bible, Jesus Christ, etc. WOW, to me, that sounds like a big no-no .

I was going to give a reply but I've changed my mind. I have to go to that "testing or training" site someone mentioned earlier because I'm not sure what to do when this happens. I'll submit my reply, and try to see if I can delete it so it doesn't show up. Sorry - "learning curve" and all that

When someone switches the topic over to "Doctrine," are others involved in the discussion notified somehow?

Grease Spotters get cagey - no way! Who would have thought this was possible? lol

So f'ing true! I'm really ....$ed off right now.

I'm just stunned and so disheartened. You wrote, "I remember one very ominous teaching in the way corps." vp didn't pull any punches with you guys. You got it full blast. Does anyone know if it was this bad earlier on in the 6th Corps? Fear seemed to be full tilt when it concerned breaking a commitment to twi, (even more so when a salt covenant was made). I left the ministry 3 times and only once did I "fall apart" because of fear - that was when I left the WOW field. So many things about the ministry have suddenly become clear from being on this website. I have never used the word "cult" in my postings - I've always said twi or the ministry. I've described it as cult-like I think once. Now I understand why I read the word "cult" so often in many of the posts, often with the "f-word" attached to it. It really is that bad!

What is "Irish Eyes Internet" on the "Donate" page?

But sanctification is not a reward - it's what we received from God when we were born again as stated in 1 Cor 1:30, "But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:" So if a Christian is still born again when he/she leaves TWI, then he/she would still be sanctified. And if he/she is still sanctified, then 1 Cor 7:14 would still apply. Right?

There has been so much great stuff to think about from today's posts but I must admit, I'm fading away (getting sleepy). Apparently I posted the above without a reply from me underneath. Well thanks to a couple of you, I knew how to edit it in order to add my two cents. Okay, I think I'm getting it - the title of each "administration" is man made and they are nowhere to be found in the Bible. So what's written in Revelations is simply what's going to happen in the future. It doesn't need the title of the "Revelation Administration." Likewise, the Gospels are about the life of Jesus and does not need to be called the "Christ Administration." If you stop referring to administrations, you can then get rid of all the man-made teaching that goes along with explaining them. If I've got this right, it's not a problem letting that doctrine go. I forgot to include it in the quote above, but I love your line about Jesus not keeping it all to himself when the end comes. Reminds me of Raffi's "Sharing Song" that my students liked to sing. It beings with "It's mine but you can have some, with you I'd like to share it..." only in the above case, Jesus would sing to God, "It's mine and you can't have none of it." Too funny.

So they're basically saying that if you leave, you are no longer a Christian and therefore you and your kids are no longer sanctified. Unbelievable!

I should be receiving the book "Undertow" by Charlene Edge any day now. After I've finished that I would like to read Love Wins. I will check on the thread you sent me. Thanks!

Now that you've asked, I think that if they're not old enough or if they're mentally unable to understand and confess Rom 10:9,10 and get born again thereby becoming a member in the body of Christ (as is the case with my grandson), there is no way God would punish them like those who will be in the resurrection of the unjust. So that only leaves going to heaven, either at the gathering together or with the resurrection of the just. I personally prefer at the gathering together but either way, they will be resurrected to life .

This is very interesting because verse 24 does say “then” as in ‘at that time’, and not before. Until Jesus hands over the kingdom to our God and Father, until he has abolished all rule and all authority and power, until he has put all his enemies under his feet including the last enemy, death, and until he has put all things in subjection under his feet, verse 25 says he must reign. Then the son himself will also be subjected to God, so that God may be all in all. So first he reigns and then at the end, he subjects himself to God. What is all involved in his reigning? Is it only accomplishing the 4 "untils" listed above? Is he working on the 4 "untils" during the Grace admin or does he begin only after he gathers the body of believers? TWI did teach that Jesus was not a king and did not have a kingdom during the Grace admin. During that time, he was our Lord and the head of the body of Christ. Were they accurate on this doctrine?

It sounds like there is a verse for this. I'd be bless to know it. My second reply to this post is about "What's in a name." Speaking of Jesus, the Word says, "and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, becoming obedient to death—even death on a cross! And therefore God raised him to the highest place of honor and gave him the name that is above every name, So like daddy, like son. Daddy's name, YHWH, is not to be given to anyone else, and Jesus' name is above every name. We are in incredible company!

Thanks WordWolf for all your recent posts. In reply to this one, 3 things came to mind so I'll share them on separate posts. My first one is in response to the verses above. I know I'm getting a bit so please let me know when it's necessary to post on a different forum. I wrote earlier that my grandson has non-verbal autism. Cameron is 7 years old and is an incredibly sweet boy. Since he currently understands only simple sentences which he’s heard repeatedly, I know he is not able to believe Rom 10:9,10 now or possibly forever. But I also know that because of God’s mercy and grace, he will go to be with Christ with the rest of us believers (imho) and receive a new body and mind. How great is our God and savior!!! Thinking about the return brought 1 Cor 7:14 to mind. It says, “For the unbelieving husband is made holy because of the wife, and the unbelieving wife is made holy because of the brother. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but now they are holy.” From what I can remember, TWI taught that if a child has at least one Christian parent, that child is then made holy (saved) until he/she reaches an age of accountability (whatever that is). In answer to OldSkool’s earlier question to me, however, I can say that I do not think the way international is qualified to say authoritatively what the accuracy of the word really is. First off, I’ve always had trouble with their interpretation of this verse because it infers that unlike children of Christians, the children of non-Christian parents don’t get to be saved until they reach an age of accountability. This to me is unfair (imo). Next, the first part of the verse appears to contradict what they teach about the second part. It says that a husband or wife is made “holy” because of their believing spouse, but we know “holy” here cannot mean “saved” (imo) because as an adult, you have to confess Rom 10:9-10 in order to receive that ticket to heaven. Since all 3 places “holy” is used in this verse come from the same Greek word “hagios” (which means “set apart/sanctified”), I’m thinking that the verse is saying any young child or unbelieving spouse will be sanctified or set apart from the other unbelievers in that they will be blessed along with their Christian spouse, mother or father (again imo). This still leaves the question of what happens to young children who die. Do they go to heaven? If anyone would like to share their thoughts about this (here or on another thread), it would be great.

Perfect - will do.

I’m a retired primary grade teacher, so your use of a quiz is perfect, and the specific pop quiz you gave, I find to be very helpful. After I read your reply, the verse “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge” came to mind. I mean, that’s perfectly clear, right? Since God is the source (imho), I don’t have a problem with this. However, when VP quoted it, you knew he was stressing not the knowledge of God, but the ACCURACY of this knowledge. So going back to your pop quiz, my answer to #1 is no. When the source is VP/TWI, I learned long ago from their handling of the Word on tithing that they were not trustworthy on that subject. Therefore, I have to remember that anything else he/TWI said cannot be blindly and naively taken as truth. My answer to #2 is TWI with VP sitting at the top. By adding “accurate” to describe “knowledge,” he is basically directing us back to everything he/TWI teaches (AKA his opinions and definitions) because he was the one God chose to teach the accuracy of God's Word as it hadn't been known since the first century. It's funny how question #2 always brings us back to question #!. So I did get 100% on the quiz, so now I’ll go and put a “Good Work” sticker on my forehead. Seriously though, thanks for your help.

Waysider, I was referring to possibly you using ironic humor in your post. I do apologize if this offended you. Can anyone tell me how to get rid of a quote you don't want before submitting your reply (like the one below)?

I'm sorry. I don't know whether you are trying to be funny but what you said did just cause a laugh to come up and out of me.

I know commitment is vital in order to work out problems that pop up in all marriages. When deciding on who to marry, don't people "normally" get to know each other more than whether someone "stands on Word" or not. In the corps, when the leaders kept everyone so busy, how did anyone have time to get to know someone just as a person, not just from the "role" he or she had. It's very likely that I accepted "any 2 Christians can make a marriage work" because it sounded easy or because if VP said it, it must be true or because I struggled, even before going into the ministry with how to actually get to know the person I was dating in a healthy way. All three were genuine reasons for me at the time. Thank you so much for the threads. My experience in searching for topics on this site has been unsuccessful. The only way I know how is to scroll through all 187 pages to find something that's connected to my topic of interest. My other choice is just to ask if any of you know a thread that could help which I'll probably be doing over time.

I’m interested in how other Grease Spotters deal with “the accuracy of the Word,” not for the purpose of being right and therefore everyone else is wrong, but just for your own understanding? The reason I’m asking has to do with why I came on this forum in the first place - because Jesus had pretty much been absent in my walk with God. So this morning, I began to talk with Jesus and immediately my mind jumped to, “well what about God?” So in trying to answer this question, I imagined turning my head back and forth and talking with Jesus on one side and God on the other (like you do when you’re watching a game of tennis). I also thought of maybe when I’m talking to Jesus, his “picture” pops in my mind and when I then want to talk to God, Jesus’ picture disappears and one of God pops up (kind of like Whac-a-Mole). I'm being serious here. It was all so confusing and mentally exhausting but “I wanted to get it right” (for my personal understanding). That’s when the idea came to me, either from God, Jesus or neural circuits working in my brain (who knows) of both of them sitting together on a couch with me sitting across from them. I felt peaceful with this solution so I'll stick with it for now. Right away, however, I’m wondering what “according to scripture” can I accurately ask for or say to each one. This need is from being in TWI for so many years – THE ACCURACY OF THE WORD. I must strive to find “the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God.” So after deciding to read Rom 1:1-10 to see how Paul might have handled this “problem,” I found he wrote that 1) we serve both God and Jesus and 2) grace and peace come from both God and Jesus or from God through Jesus 3) God’s good news concerns his son, Jesus 4) we belong to Jesus Christ [and using “previous knowledge”, as sons of God, we also belong to Him] and 5) Paul wants to do the will of God which is all Jesus ever wanted to do (e.x., he prayed in the garden, “Father, not my will, but yours be done.” All this brought to my remembrance how Jesus said he and his Father are one (John 10:30) They want the same thing for us. Everything we have is from God through Jesus. They’re on the same team (or couch). Again peace came. Chockfull, it seems your earlier prayer for my peace is being answered one step at a time. I hope to hear your thoughts.

I would like to return to the Vineyard church I mentioned in one of my earliest posts. They are loving and accepting of others regardless of their religious beliefs. They also do activities in the community to help others out and show people the love of God. I just need a little more time.