Charity

Thanks OldSkool. What is written on the plaque at the bottom? Is it a verse from Timothy?

Hi Chockfull, Two things: I was pretty sure vp told the snow story in pfal when he talked about taking all his books to the dump but apparently I was wrong. Also, the "Timothy statues." I'm pretty sure you're referring to the statues of vp but why have they been given that name?

Oh, but there's the viewing audience to consider

Proverbs 17:22 A merry heart doeth good like a medicine: but a broken spirit drieth the bones.

But you're on a roll - I say carry on !

Thanks - I hadn't noticed this about Mike but I've been learning not to give many of his posts my complete attention.

I'm beginning to picture you holding up a stop sign and blowing a whistle - pretty cool!

Thanks for the big belly laugh you too. Cannabis is legal to buy in Canada - in the province of Ontario where I live, any person 19 and older can buy, use, possess and grow recreational cannabis within the legal limits. Now there are stores on almost every street corner selling the stuff! I haven't taken advantage of this opportunity but I find reading about Kaneh Bosem pretty interesting .

You're right - stirring the waters can go both ways. I was referring to Mike's phrase "finite character" regarding Jesus Chris as his way of instigating a discussion that imho is undeserving of one. Mind you, I've been known to be wrong about things.

Mike, do you just drop these nonsensical ideas out to stir up the waters?

When you think of it, after all God did to inspire people to write His Word so that we could know Him and his Son, it's not possible that He would not have protected them throughout the millenniums and continue to protect them. A good friend sent me some videos about this topic which I'd like to go back and finish watching.

T-Bone, that is a hard act to follow! So while Rocky was looking things up and answering his own question (good job ) and T-Bone was composing his very witty reply to Rocky's question (good job too ), I was busy comparing Gen 2 and Eph 5 (with a little help from John 12) because they each had the same verse which I found very interesting How so, you must be wondering . This is how so . Genesis 2:18,21-24 John 12:24 Ephesians 5:28-31 The first Adam Jesus Christ the second Adam - And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. - John 12:23,24 And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified - Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abides alone:… (the corn of wheat = Jesus) - And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: - and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; but if it die,… - And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. (woman + man = fruit/children) - it brings forth much fruit. - And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. (Adam calls Eve of his bones and of his flesh) - So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loves his wife loves himself. - For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourishes and cherishes it, (Men are to love their wives as their own bodies from which Eve/women came) - even as the Lord (nourishes and cherishes) the church: For we are members of his (Jesus Christ's) body, of his flesh, and of his bones. (We, the church, are the firstfruits of Jesus' death mentioned in John 12:24 above. We are also of Jesus' body, flesh and bones as Eve was of Adam's) - therefore shall a man leave his father & his mother and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh - for this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife and they two shall be one flesh In case anyone is by the chart, it all boils down to how Genesis and Ephesians are aligned with each other (with John's help of course). The first Adam plus Eve in Genesis are connected not only to the husbands and wives in Ephesians but also to the second Adam and his church. If you already knew all this then I hope you enjoyed how colorful and organized everything was !

I'd have to say yes to that - haven't you?

- you certainly know how to put a spin on things. I am so happy I never had the nerve to ask people to sponsor me so I could go into the Corps (which I wanted to do being as I was a good faithful little follower .

Those are wonderful verses Rocky - thanks for sharing them. I'll reword what I wrote previously to saying that I would like to know if a characteristic of a narcissist is a progression that leads to needing more power, more attention, more fame, etc. I did a google search for myself and the couple I looked at described what is called grandiose narcissism which was listed as a different type, not as a progression from narcissism to greater narcissism.

Someone has recently shared with me that real cult leaders hang on forever to an organization they have founded because they are narcissists. In other words, they don't pass on all leadership roles to others and move away from what they've built to build something that is bigger and better. A few posters have shared information about narcissists. I need a website that confirms that the opposite to this is not only possible but most likely. I know vp never moved on to start a new ministry under a new name with greater claims of what God has called him to do but Bickle has quite a few times.

I'm on my way out the door, but I was exactly in the place you are speaking of now. It all opened up to me when I started reading the Absent Christ thread at the end of November of last year and it was definitely a grieving process that many of the posters helped me get through. Here's the link to where I began on GSC - and another link for the beginning of the thread. You'll find posts begin to stray off topic but keep scrolling through when that happens. This is a very long thread (93 pages). That thread is now closed but if you wanted to start a new one with a slightly different name, you can get a lot of support from others. Please keep in touch. This is where OldSkool began the thread

I see what you are saying. Here's my side of it. 1. GSC is an open forum to discuss ideas. 2. With vp, his "expression of an idea" and the words he used "to describe it" became a doctrine (a belief or set of beliefs held and taught by a Church) which progressed into becoming dogma (a principle or set of principles laid down by an authority as incontrovertibly true). That's how we ended of with "the law of believing," "the great principle" about holy spirit and "The Word takes the place of the absent Christ." The problem is that these terms of his were contrary to what the scriptures actually taught and therefore were extremely detrimental to the believers - they made the word of God in our lives ineffectual. 3. So when I said that the words you used ("virtue drainage, budget on virtue that day and Jesus needed to be sharp about it, finite virtue budget") were not in the scriptures you were referring to, it was in the context of showing that your terms (like vp's) were contrary to what the scriptures actually said and as a result would take the power and life out of the word of God (Heb 4:12).

Too funny - ask Mikey, he knows everything!

In jumping from one Google search to the next, I happened across "The Book of Acts - Corps Notes by vpw - all 467 pages of it. Amazing how these things happen . http://eternallyblessed.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Acts-Corps-Notes.pdf Here's a quote from page 7 "I want you to acquire an in-depth spiritual perception and awareness of the book of Acts and an awareness of the greatness of that Word and how it really fits. You can take any major piece of work that God has given in the Word and if you really work it with a minute accuracy, by the time you finish it you will have garnered the principles that then can be utilized in every other book in every other walk in your life where you are walking and developing that spiritual depth and awareness. ------------------- It’s not something you learn overnight; the new birth is something that happens like that. It’s like the first birth when you were delivered or brought forth. The new birth is an instantaneous thing, but the growing up is in many respects like growing up physically. Spiritual awareness and real sharp perception does not happen overnight. It’s a growth in your walk, your knowledge of the Word and your overall practice of the principles of the greatness of God’s Word."

From where I'm sitting and reading my computer screen, I believe people have clearly communicated their problems with what you've shared in your posts. You said you knew GSC was going to be a tough audience to convince and you seemed to appreciate that being the case. Maybe if you are willing to discuss their reasons for disagreeing with you, more understanding can be gained.

I think the answers are right in the verses as they are written. I'll share more tomorrow.

So that would explain why Jesus didn't mention it in Matthew 24 with all the other end time events. Thanks OldSkool.

My point in asking about this is why did Jesus not mention what Paul revealed by revelation in 1 Thess 4:16-17 about the Lord himself descending from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ rising first...why did Jesus not mention this when talking about the events of the end times in Matthew 24? If it was because it was not revealed to Jesus until after his ascension which he then later passed onto Paul, it might touch on your question from an earlier post about"the rapture or gathering together doctrine vs the book of Revelation end times stuff – do we present day Christians go through that stuff or not?"

You're right, I did it again. I can see where my comments have put you in a box of my own making based on my opinion of your relationship with Jesus. I sincerely apologize and you can call me on it if I should ever do it again. Maybe I am about to rationalize my behavior here, but when I read about Jesus experiencing a "virtue drainage" and so forth when a woman was miraculously healed from 12 years of bleeding by touching his garment, or about there seemingly being a tight budget in other “spiritual commodities" when Jesus was in agony praying to his Father in the Garden of Gethsemane, it saddens me and I strike out at you. If I were to psychoanalyze myself, I would say I am projecting onto you the feelings (both positive and negative) I had when I went from the Jesus I knew while in twi to the Jesus I know now since being on GSC. Mike, I am slowly getting it into my head that I can speak about your viewpoints about scripture without judging your relationship with Jesus.