TheSongRemainsTheSame

Just enough of a splash out of the water that my cape remained intact. Jor-El taught me the difference between kryptonite and a shinola shoe shine.

sky4it posted October 07, 2004 19:55 song: Your Comment: AND i am not sure what you meant, ~~~ "...and I am always kinda greatful my Ma didn't have to go thru it." Mainly that, speaking in tongues is no guarantee for spiritual sanity, and that I am happy my mother didn't have to endure the mayhem of the Jesus movement, and feel condemned for not speaking in tongues. i understand. My brother took the pfal in '78 and in the last session he could not speak in tongues. He never returned to the household. This was an event he to this day has not overcome. A plunge he has yet to recover.

SelahV, Concerning your life as you expressed~~~ I experienced those who would direct me back into what I wished to get out ... ya know teaching tape #, world run by the devil, post your needs in the laundry cleaners, etc. Please seek professional council, the ones who are really Doctors... Dig your avatar... Song The unknown is always to blame. The known wonders about the unknown.

sky4it, dig it man Main Entry: strange brew Function: noun 1.A potent mixture of chemicals and or liquids in the form of words to stew a foreign concoction that blows smoke up ones keister [see "witches brew"] 2. A really funni movie. 3. A song on the"Disraeli Gears" album. 5. Any group of people waving from the TWI Light Zone. (see 1) Definition provided by Same Song Inc. And that is what I meant by "strange brew". My Ma-Ma is also alifetimeChristian and approaching the age of 70 something. I am half a century and been privilege a 45 year witness her love for God. She has only been involved TWI via attendence 2 TWIgs in the late 70's. Thank God she is deaf! Her love for the God of her understanding which involve the books of Genesis, Exodus, Psalms, The Four Gospels and a dash of Acts and a sprinkle Revelations and her experiences are more than I know. She loves Billy Graham and totally dislikes Oral Roberts. That kind of religious belief. Baptist to da bone. She still reminds me that I need to be " Baptised" via dunking. I just never have and probably never will, well maybe. Got to cover that base ya know ya never know. I am surprised with a a smile that your mother at 80 years of age, "...is mystified by those who speak in tongues." I did the SIT trip, "I spoke in tongues more than ye y'all ..." for TWInty years and a couple years after my departure from TWI and into the world of reality. I am still "mystified" its conundrum. Better "mystified" than "mesmerized". AND i am not sure what you meant, ~~~ "...and I am always kinda greatful my Ma didn't have to go thru it."

Oral was the one def59. Dunno 'bout KC dig this: a 900 foot tall Human Being would weigh in about 27,000 lbs. That would be heavy weight champion of the world status. Be approx 75 stories in height. Lite weight skyscraper. size 1050 Stetson a 5400 inch waist size 1800 Nike (& ya know what they say about shoe size) That must have been quite a view to behold. And if this viewing included audio, the decibel level of a face to face conversation with such a large individual would cause instant perforation of eardrum. A telepathic communication would most like cause smoke to stream from the ears. rather silly eh

Will the real Copeland please stand. Who's the real wolf in wool. (whoops, i thot this was a caption gig)

sky4it Hello sky4it. -------------------------------- Song: You might find it interesting, that in the Assemblies of God, the prophesies I heard were along the same parallel. Yeah dig it. I use to attend those meets for entertainment and learning value. Would even take the babes --> to experience what NOT TO DO during "manifestations". Hey who am I to correct their worship service? Man i'm kewl with it although I find the whole gift/manifestation trip foriegn to me anymore. Ya know , childish things~~~ heh heh I did have one experience tho, that was very different. On a couple of occasions I had some one lay hands on me and prophecy. On one particular occasion, what the person said was so direct and so precise about what I was experiencing, they could not have known it otherwise. Yepper, personally experienced that too! And this one is also jewel: A friend brings her friend. None of us knew him or anything about him. We did not even know he was to attend. Twig commenced in just a few of few moments. No time for chat. Got to the sit&i routine. The dude quickly stands during mid interpretation and quickly exited through the front door. We were a little perplexed. Steph told us all is well and would call later. And she left with the dude. She called and revealed that in the interpretation was several direct messages to him concerning a specific situation known only between him and his fiance and that freaked his wig man. There was no way the person delivering the interpretation ever had any contact or personal information this fellow. Strange brew eh~~~ I think the scripture tells us to judge the prophecies. It also says that it convicts and people should be convinced that there hearts secrets are revealed. Well sky4it, I certainly try to read all the fine print. Not much into conviction unless that conviction comes up with some "honest show me the money Thomas" type of proof. Then by evidence will I be convinced the secrets of mine heart of hearts to be made manifest whole when in the fullness of time shall REVEAL ALL WE CAN HANDLE. Scripts Say Something like dat don't 'dey. God gave gifts unto men. The gifts are without repentance. I think it also says they were given to the rebellious. Therefore they are capable of being polluted or weak also. Yup, can't have nuclear energy without a nuclear missle in the Kracker Jacks. Hey, we can either supply energy to whole cities or vaporise whole cities. What capabilities and gifts God has given unto human kind. I find it interesting in the Assemblies or otherwise that the parameters given for speaking in tongues are not followed. Especially the part "will they not say you are mad?" Sometimes I wonder if tongues outload wasnt for the express purpose of communicating to people whose language we dont know. In that particular context, God could choose to speak to whomever he willed. Hey sky4it, if they want to party, please don't start passing out tracts on the proper ussage of manifestations while flossing. Man they see it with a different set of rules. "... parameters... are not followed." That made me chuckle. I think much learning hath made us both mad. Yeah sky4it, heard that one too (the latter portion your last paragraph). Ya know sky4it, I believed SIT was the proof of the internal reality of the eternal Christ within. Well, well~~~I should of read the fine print. What is the proof that SIT is proof of anything beyound a learned response? hmmm Really strange brew man.

Here's a message from and for God that I heard once in a million time: Goober, would you please bring forth a word of prophecy... UH UHMMM~~~ Harken unto my words. Look neither to the left or to the right, keep your eyes steadfast upon me. For I am your God and your Father and my son does dwell deep with in you. My thoughts are higher than your thoughts. cough cough couhorcseoushghit

Ya know... "Be still and know that I am God." is a kewl gig to practice. Or... "What kind of man is this that even the wind and waves obey him?" That's seems a direct reference to controling ones input and output of activity regarding thoughts through the head. please no renewed mind specialists necessary~~~i'm fine~~~ If God wants you to hear that small still quiet voice, I would imagine that even decibel levels a live LedZ concert could not quell the inner hearing. Personally I prefer a burning bush (visual) and a voice (audio). A voice from the sky, sure. A talking A$$, big big money maker. Automatic writing on a wall works for me as well. NOW A staff turning into a serpent would be so the kewl. Imagine participating in a game of billiards with such a staff. A quiet place may help one focus to still the minds wagging tongue but where is that quiet place? How quiet should that place be? Himalayas? ;)--> Nature? hmmm... I can relate an experience. I was at a crossroads. Ya know one of them kind with no stop signs. I visited with a friend at the NW Ga /AlaBAMA line. 63 wooded acres joined to over 40,000 acres of Hunting Club. Quiet during the day in so much we could hear the neighbors talking and laughing over a mile away. Could not make out the words but heard their voices & laughter. That's quiet. Nightime entered. We sat and observed the black blue expanse the canopy and its collection of stars and quite the delightful show of meteors slicing that black/blue velvet. After criks in our necks developed and a few hours of conversation, we retired for the evening. They to the camper and I in a tent. The forest began to speak. Overwhelmingly noisesome. Baying hound dogs and snorting horses and trumpets cracking the distant joining the din in progress. The evening was a lively ongoing tapestary of sound as well a lite faintly mist whispering above the silouete spires the forests trees. The din was Noisome, but soothing to rest into sleep. The quiet morning. I walked to the woods for a little relief. As I was relieving, I heard these "tsk tsk tsktsk tsk tsk tsktsk" teeny tiny percussion type sounds. I listened. (Wh ps, I then shake & zipped. sorri, did not mean to leave that hanging out there...) That tsk tsk tsktsk unsyncopated percussion type rythem continued and deep into the forest. I just listened till I knew what the sound became to my eyes. It was dew dripping from leaf & needle to the forest floor. I stayed for a long while. Then a dawning Din of night or hush of morning light and "outside in the distance, a wild cat did growl." And a flood of thought streamed one after another solutions to that particular crossroad of my life. What was overwhelming the day before became nothing more than the "tsk tsk tsktsk." Certainly a quiet mind is conducive to inner thoughts that spur one to good prudence in ordinary life and in life and death scenarios. Ya know, if ya drowning, do not panic! I hope I have enough sence to recognise that I can not extinguish a fire with shuttle fuel and to not confuse the instinct to go on green lite with that little teeny tinie intuition becomes a slight hesitation as a semi-trackter-trailor suddenly appears at 70 mph in a 45 zone ripping through that crossroads. Two green lights can be confounding at times. just a thot

mj412 posted September 30, 2004 00:21 (Italic and Bold print are my reply) ------------------------------------------------yet the proof is clear for each individual. What Proof? I will be so glad a look-see. to make a simple statement complex is no use. "Complex" and not confusion. A simple statement can be concise the intended message of salvation but compared to the Plan of Salvation is a complexity that could stagger the imagination. Simple statements regarding Who is Jesus is fine. There must be a Grand Plan. I wonder how detailed that plan is? Thomas got his proof easy enough when He asked the redeemer of mankind for it. I question nearly every bit of my life and day or moments , it is not as if anything is set in stone forever . The book itself states the bible can not contain all the storys and amazing happenings they shared with Jesus , and it also says we can never know God and His ways are much higher than ours . I was fine upto... "and it also says we can never know God...". Are you sure that statement is in the book? I am not saying God is simple or even that the bible is simple yet rather the story of redemption and the plan of Salvation is simple . So, what are you meaning? Salvation through Jesus is all about God and the Bible. Remember the red thread that runs through the books of the Bible? Yes the plan can be summed in a simple concise statement. I just want to know more of the fine print before I continue to sign any more blood contracts. So song you write you think as Thomas did when he stated he doubted the testimony of his brothers when they spoke of Jesus being raised from the dead? Simply put , yes~~~ well given the crew he was working with and the rather critical depressing days after his murder, who did not? absolutely! the two that walked in the garden doubted it was him till he was gone, Mary doubted he was alive till He told her. It was not about the fact He was the Saviour of mankind but the fact He died and was raised from the dead that tripped them out !! and so the story goes and it would have me as well if any of my friends had been arrested crucified and buried and then three days later Im told me he was alive and well and talking with us the first thing i would say is clearly yeah sure not untill I see him for myself and make darn sure it is him will I believe that! Yepper mj. That's why I chose "Show Me The Money Thomas". What I read did not say Thomas doubted the testimony of those who SAW & TALKED & TOUCHED the Word Of Life JC. That was an incredible event of proof. There were plenty of rumours circulated that JC's body was stolen, as well as imposters. The book exhibits instances where JC could change his appearance. And incredibly instantly appear within a secure room. So, no doubt, Thomas wanted to see this extraordinary ressurected body of JC. He did not reject the witness of his associates but rather accepted such a possibility he could also be witness such a marvel of human and divine event. That is what I choose to accept at this time in my life. A total 360 degree change of view from a few years ago. Quite a panoramic one I might add. mj, i do believe living a simple life style is conducive a productive life. that is for sure! My sanctuary is the oceans edge. yes, i do try from time to time to walk on water i just need a little more practice Rok On~~~

Whoahh UH, That is one helluva question. I began to count the times... Whew Lourdy have the mercy I was in for TWInty years. At least one a year minus three (for missed sessions) would be 17. Assistant Class Co at least 5. And those times the TWIg was to host several sessions ~~~ tack on another 3 !6 mm was my first. Then did the audio and video gigs. Then there were those with "The Day JC Died" (or someping like dat). One of the audios were quite entertaining. The Chart Flipper during one of the mid sessions began to zone out somewhere. Eyes appearing to grow wider and wider only to slowly succumb to the gravity of bordumb the droning Teacher. Eyes now thin slits and the head ever so slowly attracted to the table. And then as if someone ZINGED him with a cattle prod a few times, he was quickly at attention... and then the cycle began again. About the fourth drowning, he was O U T. Chin on chest. His jaw dropped His mouth an O And then the rythem of a snore began a slow heavy breath developing into quite a chain saw ripping through wood. Oh yeah, we let it go to the end man. I was the Clas Co and was sort've instigating the humorus scene. Well the whole class could not contain the comedy held with in and we burst with laughter. He woke, almost fell off the chair. Well enny way, we backed the tape up, as if that was utterly necessary. So, at least TWInty Five times. hmmm~~~ Ya know It was the word thing Or sumpn' like 'dat I fergit

mj412~ Ya know mj, we will just go 'round n 'round the topic "Who is Jesus" and relating questions aformentioned in this thread. I am glad such questions are "very simple" for you. However, I find the multiplicity of answers to these questions to be more than "very simple". More than black & white. More than the Bible Says. I find them to be as complex as all the information that it takes to make a single ordinary field mouse and so on up the food chain. So, if I may, I would like to share very simply with you from the Bible, "Who is Jesus" to me. This character recorded in St. John 20:25 is commonly refered to as "Doubting Thomas". Surely he must have been "Honest Thomas"!!! "Show me the Money Thomas"!!!. The apostles and other disciples reported to Thomas they saw the risen Jesus. Thomas responded "...Except I shall SEE in his hands the print of the nails, AND PUT my finger into the print of the nails, AND THRUST my hand into his side, I Will NOT believe." Extraordinary Claims Requires Extraordinary PROOF! And I could go on with the rest of the "scripture" in that chapter, but that pretty much sums up my beliefs "very simply". Rok On Song~~~

mj412 posted September 21, 2004 10:20 ------------------------------------------------ quote: ------------------------------------------------ Originally posted by TheSongRemainsTheSame: Adam was responsible for all mankinds sins? Then why did the second Adam JC die for all mankinds sins and only some will make it to heaven and others will not? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- here is my ideas on that : God has truly given all people a choice to worship Him or not. Mind if I join ya? That sounds like only two ideas to me. Adam chose to sin by disobeying God ,allowing sin to enter into his thoughts (mankind) . JC chose to obey God allowing eternal life to enter into his thoughts (mankind) . Thesis/antihtesis. Is sin the disobedience or the result thereof? If the latter, then what is sin? My understanding is that sin is passed through the blood. So in my estimation now we have a choice of life or death once again and it is up to each individual to chose . Still only two choices eh? And what gets me is that a perfect human being would choose death. Boy, that Adam must have been a real duma$$. Would not anyone choose LIFE and all that life has to offer?... hmmm which includes death... even death to have life...kind of a predicament of thought here. Does one really have a choice? What about, "preordained", "chosen before the foundations etc..." "predestined" "called out" ? Because Jesus was exalted as a man new rules where put into place incorporating HIM as a KING and Leader and the ONE we are to listen to obey Gods will. New rules eh. Out with the old in with the new. Sounds like a familiar cycle and song. Surely God won't start that KING OF KINGS crap again. Look where it got Israel. Jeesh, one would have thought of a better pecking order. Who gets to be the Kings Jesture? With Adam he as a man had access to God we now need the second adam to have that smae access. WHY? Roman 10 and 9. God and His Son work together to lead mankind into the kingdom of eternal life. The sacrafice Jesus did for His mankind allowed HIM a huge promotion above all other men with many perks such as not having to live on the earth with the enemy . Whew boy, that sure is some sweet perks there and screw us that have to live on the earth with the enemy eh! Jeesh mj surely you must think twice more about that statement. And the RO 10 & 9 trip "confesssion yields reciept of confession" is a whole thread to itself. Sure seems like works that one can boast of rather than by grace. So he is building us a new kingdom with us as the focus and HIM as a king. Ya know mj, I just don't buy all that monarchy stuff as a future to behold with great anticipation. I'm not in to spending eternity as entertainment fit for a King. I mean I dig King Author stories and the fantasies one can imagine regarding myth and the romance those times. Hey have ya ever read ... "La Morte d'Arthur. Title: Bulfinch's Mythology Author: Bulfinch"? Excellent read. why it isnt done I do not know. You a right about that! We still chose to obey or not to obey just as JC and Adam did the program has not changed. Yepper, nothing new under the sun eh. the fact God has designed some to be HIS before the foundation says He designed or created some to be HIS and others he did NOT . Yeah, Nothing like a God who is no respector of persons. One could almost stretch that to an abortion issue. that is an interesting thing isnt it? Most definetly. Here is how I look at that, If we chose between the colors of black and yellow we need to realize the difference in the color right? I mean I can not chose yellow correctly if I do not know what a yellow color is nor can I appreciate the difference in color if not given a choice. and to have a choice I have to know and realize what each color may mean to me . Black & Yellow, that's funni. I prefer the variations of choice as in colours of autumn leaves. How many shades are there of even one colour and variations of shades within shades? More than a choice of two. Even Let's Make A Deal had at least three doors from which to choose. Jeesh, haven't we learned anything yet!!! such is the choice God gives us in choosing to accept His idea of making Jesus Christ LORD or not making HIM Lord. we have to know what life may be or mean or look like without having Jesus Christ as LORD< hence those who do not believe. a choice must know both sides of the choice to accept it readily and honestly. That's not much of a choice to those who do NOT believe OR ELSE or maybe vice N versa... there are more than "both sides", more than "black & yellow". Don't you think? Jesus Offered a NEW KIngdom not this one this one is spent done already been given away to satan by Adam. I have often thought... how extraordinary such a claim as well as belief. So we now chose. So the answer is BOTH gave us a choice in how we can live both Adam and JC set up the situation to allow us each one to chose which way to go. The ball is in each individual court. What if I choose not to choose between those two choices? Is that a foul? on a quick side note.. I read the other day about those who never did chose or where unable to chose to make Jesus Christ LORD while alive on earth. They also will be at the bema and all will have the choice face to face with Jesus christ to accept HIM as their KING at that time. or else??? Some will chose some will not those that do not will be burned those that accept Jesus as LORD will be rewarded or punished by their deeds on earth whether good or bad and the justice will be met with the call of christ at that time. cool huh? Oh yeah I can't freaking wait to be toasted or even toast someone else. What will it be like... uhmmm... fry em with laZER VISION. Yeah That would be cool. Or we can go for the ole Burn Em At The Stake if they don't confess, disembowel them first, of course. At times I have noticed the situation to look rather bias and unfair but in reality God gives mankind many chances to live in a manner that is good and peaceful and safe with HIM but it always has been a personal choice from the individual. ABSOLUTELY Rok On~~~

10-4 mj412 and much athoughts we all have all of us and each other and all others...

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dmiller FiddlePicker posted September 20, 2004 22:08 Song -- you got your post in while I was writing mine. I can deal with a handshake surely you jest

dmiller FiddlePicker posted September 20, 2004 21:32 Please don't call me "sir". My schizophrenic tendencies might start acting up. You just quoted my answer, then asked the same question. I guess I don't know what you want an answer to. Mea Culpa (Ithink) TSRTS posts: I suppose it's a Rain Man Syndrone on and on Scripture vs Rok N Roll? mea culpa me thinks is is a hand shake differences that will never ever be resolved Rok On You know where you are You in the jungle baby guns&roses whoops

dmiller Yo dmiller, mind I post "angelic style"?! :D--> Sir dmiller you posted September 20, 2004 03:51 Song --- Yes. I recognize those lyrics. From a pretty good rock band, I might add! Used to have a bunch of their records. The scripture quotes I was referring to (from the tape I mentioned) that I had not heard taught before, were from Daniel, chapter 10. I know those scriptual references. Those scripts were taught in PFAL Foundational. Y N ? I did not think your scripture reference was the Bhagavad- Gita. Kinda showed me how it is recorded that one man prayed for 3 weeks, was heard the first day, and because of adversarial interference, his prayer was not answered for those 21 days, because of a spiritual battle going on that he had no knowledge of. Yepper. Ever read THE ILIAD by Homer? ( and i am not talking about the Simpsons) That's what I meant, and that was one of the things I got out of the tape teaching. Twi did a lousy job with the entire angel subject. First you have them (guardian angles), then you lose them (now you are born again), but now you have no protection, because Our Saviour is an "absent Christ". ...And now what do you have dear sir? I would still like to know ~~~ "SOOOO dmiller what is this suppose to mean: "and yup -- they had scripture to back up what they said, not some quotes from a rock and roll band." Song Eyes Wide Open

(((((((rascal))))))), backatcha I will be posting in bold. You posted September 14, 2004 18:20 ((((watered garden))) that was not minor...the pressure to abandon your child....the harrassment for not obeying must have been unbearable...the frustration of needing help and not being able to get it from those you depended on....I am so sorry. (((Song))) How awfull...to heartlessly refuse to do that funeral...to compound your families pain was so selfish....even if they BELIEVED that the child was never alive...what would it have hurt them to provide you and your wife with some measure of comfort?? It was heartless when I look back. But then it was THE WORD ya know. There was support to my wife (been ex for 17 years and wonderful friends) and I during the pregnancy. But afterwards>>> all were eerily quiet ~~~ And no one from the area attended the funeral, not even from my twig in which I was the assistant. Yes, we received cards from the "believers". Family and close friends friends were there though. I should have known then to leave (as the other times), but it was THE WORDya know. I understand your loss...any Mom who has felt her baby move in her womb understands.....twi was wrong.....I am sorry...anywhere else you guys would have been treated as befits grieving parents. That is compassion of words. Thank you rascal. We were offered, BY THE HOSPITOL, couseling, but we refused and opted for the "comfort" of THE HOUSEHOLD. Yes, "believers" did come to our home and comforted us as best they could, but the "VEIL" was upon ours and their hearts. A majority of us had been friends since childhood and neighborhoodering. I can DOCUMENT this gig to da BONE!!! BLInDERs OFTHE WORD ya know, THE WORD. I understand your delema with possession as well...when I was declared posessed at 18 ...I didn`t know where to turn...I had already disowned my natural man family....I couldn`t go to a psychiatrist..what did THEY know about devil spirits?...Shoot I didn`t even know how or when I had become posessed....I had the former bc`s full confidence when they left three months before. Yepper. Thank you. Dig it!!! When I entered TWI I was of sound mind & body. When I left, well I was TWIOGNOSED PoZzEZzeD @ age 41. Figure that one out. Delima: "Who would understand me?" Mutual Afterall I knew THE WORD THE WORD AND NOTHING BUT THE WORD!!!!!!. (I beleive it was more like much learning hath made me mad ;)-->) But when one believes THE WORD - in to ones bones! - that one can not but speak THE WORD THE WORD THE WORD AND NOTHING BUT THE WORD AND THEN labeled POSSESED , well what the frocK eH! What the good prudence I suppose to think about meself eh? Of course! I accepted that i was possesed. Talk about a mind bender... whew ( laugh machine upper story) any one wanna take me on I previously had been told that if I went back to my home state, that I would die spiritually ...but that was all that was left for me...as I had been ordered to leave the home that I had rented...leaving it to the bc`s along with all of the furniture...dishes ...the utilities and such in my name....no money for new deposits or rent...so I went home brokenly assuming that I was to die....no where to turn for help....wondering if I should just drive into the red river to kill myself in case I were to infect others with my devil spirits. Ahhh yeah... THE>>> GET OVER IT ~~~ BEAR DOWN AND GRIN IT ole drive the mind deep into the pit of desponDANCEY & despair because they KNOW the de-PEN-DANCE we had for TWI's THE MEAT OF THE WORD. They already MILKED us!!! Then alienation from TRUE HOUSEHOLD OF GOD THE BODY OF CHRIST (& if i can find the SNS's in my collection, i can prove where LCM subtly claimed he was the President Of The Body Of Christ!!! if that makes any difference uhhmmm .,,, unless anyone else has??? Damn I hope so ) (breath) GOD won't even spit in your direction Power To Destroy Peoples Lifes if we want to (breath) I know you better than you know yourself because we know THE WORD more than you do~~~ DRIVE THE HEATHEN DEVILS OUT FROM AMONG THE FLOCK mind set (ya know what i mean eh) In a NUT shell. :D--> I deteriorated quite quickly stature of confidence. My wife & I were in a bit of a predicament. We decided a split for a year. I take care the financial obligations our current residence and she stay with her family four states away with quartly visits. Work it out. Figure it out. I can only imagine and empathise with those whose lifes were in a far more deleterious position than what I experienced considering deeplythe testimony of others here at GSC. I understand having no where to go for help. Thank you. But NOW is a whole different story, eh rascal!!! I received the PROFESSIONAL help i so needed. And my Beautiful Blushing Bride Darling Wife (oh, yeah, we did reconcile a year later :D-->) had more than I can ever fathom the love, kindness, compassion, empathy her heart of hearts to reach into my deepest soul of despair, mental anguish and depression and such the thoughts what life am I. AND pull me from that quickquicksand of insanity and assist me to the help I needed. Friend To Da BONE Toes In The Sand FRIEND!!!! (I hope that was not a bit of a tad to mellowdramatic ;)--> Also, I am ever grateFULL to all here that I have had the opportunity to read. And I do mean ALL. Of course that may require a little more explaining, but I leave that statement as it stands. Sing Along With Song and a 1 ana 2 ana 3 & FOUR BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE I ROK N ROLLED YEAH!

Hiya dmiller My quote from a Rock Band I suppose you are familiar with that quote from that band? Was in respect JAL's Humour. etcSOOOO dmiller what is this suppose to mean: ? :P-->

Thank You Abigail :)--> I do believe I will celebrate Rosh Hoshannah. I never have. But have been aware of the occasion since mine youth. How would I begin? :)-->

Was Adam destined to blow it and JC destined to overcome and we saints were called before the foundations of the world on which ones sacrifice? Adam or JC?

Adam was responsible for all mankinds sins? Then why did the second Adam JC die for all mankinds sins and only some will make it to heaven and others will not?

Adam died because of his sins. JC the 2nd Adam died for who's sins?

or just maybe a sword of Dam·o·cles